I love that Jericho was pretty open about the codebreaker. Yeah I saw this puro guy do it and it looked awesome.

MINE!

Nov 24, 2022 13:43:46 GMT @ness said:

I love that Jericho was pretty open about the codebreaker. Yeah I saw this puro guy do it and it looked awesome.

MINE!

In the spirit of credit where credit is due, Jericho will always do CM Punk better than CM Punk.

Nov 24, 2022 13:45:54 GMT 🤯 said:

Nov 24, 2022 13:43:46 GMT @ness said:

I love that Jericho was pretty open about the codebreaker. Yeah I saw this puro guy do it and it looked awesome.

MINE!

In the spirit of credit where credit is due, Jericho will always do CM Punk better than CM Punk.

Hot Take: Punk stealing Kenta's move did more for Kenta than if he didn't.

Nov 24, 2022 13:48:22 GMT @ness said:

Nov 24, 2022 13:45:54 GMT 🤯 said:

In the spirit of credit where credit is due, Jericho will always do CM Punk better than CM Punk.

Hot Take: Punk stealing Kenta's move did more for Kenta than if he didn't.

Hotter take: probably the only real reason Kenta ever ended up getting signed to NXT.

The Codebreaker is a crap move nowadays just because it's been whored out so much that it's barely even a good near fall move, but when Jericho debuted it in 2008 or whenever, it was pretty convincing. Apart from the Liontamer, it's his only non-terrible finisher.

Didn't know that Jericho got the move from Japan. Which wrestler?

I hope it was Funaki!

Nov 24, 2022 12:37:20 GMT @aaron said:

Don’t forget the greatness of the Test/Steiner 2003 feud!

Yuck! Hated that feud. Steiner had go away heat with me and Test didn't do much for me either (sorry 🤯 and @ness ). 

Nov 24, 2022 13:25:09 GMT 🤯 said:

What was Show's leg version called?

The Hog Log! You even mentioned it in a previous post! Fun Fact: Saw somebody drop a Hog Log in a women's match I watched not too long ago. Popped. Obviously. Can't remember who did it though.

Nov 24, 2022 19:35:10 GMT Emperor said:

Didn't know that Jericho got the move from Japan. Which wrestler?

Marufuji

2003 whenever the feud was I was just outta high school so the sight of Stacy Keibler was enough to make it work for me. I think they had at least 2 PPV matches? Definitely the biggest problem with brand split era PPVs.

Did some PPV wiki searching to double check and not only did they fight twice on PPV... months apart and included two instances of managerial services. Gag lol.

Stealing PI's color gimmick...

Nov 24, 2022 13:18:59 GMT 🤯 said:

Nov 24, 2022 0:40:49 GMT Baker said:

Shane Douglas' belly to belly suplex is your winner. Laughable finisher for 90s ECW, which was basically Cool Move Land.

Agreed. Even guys who were actually good at hitting belly-to-belly suplexes as finishes (Ken Shamrock, Yokozuna, Rikishi, and my man Mabel) had a hard time historically getting the move over with me.

I only bought it as a finish from fatties like Yoko, Kishi, and Mabel.


Having a Sleeper finish was the kiss of death for 90s me. Nothing could be more boring. Yet if you called it something different like the Tazmission or Kokina Clutch I'd be more willing to accept it. Because I was a mark. And I do remember Trips trying (and failing) to get it over.

Agreed. Although I did love troll HHH trying to make it a thing like Gretchen & Fetch when he did. Because what could be worse than being handed a world title belt and going on a literal reign of terror while terribly cosplaying as the Four Horsemen? Using a sleeper as a finish! HHH is probably vastly underrated for his mind for the business.

Good point.

His once a year Indian Deathlock ruled though. It's no wonder I'm a high vote on the HHH/Book WM 19 match what with H busting out the Indian Deathlock AND The Bookman hitting the rarely seen in WWE Harlem Hangover.

With you in perhaps being the only other high vote on that match. I've already commented on HHH's Indian Death Lock, which I too loved despite its unoverness. Inversely, I'm with you on loving the "Houston" Hangover and begrudge Booker for not using it more often in the WWE. Greater sin than Punk never using the Pepsi Plunge, even if both decisions were also totally understandable.

Watched a match the other day where your girl Bull Nakano won with the Harston Hangover. You'd love it. Gonna cover it in the Match Review thread...eventually.

I've told the story before of how I instantly wrote off young Bradshaw because he had a Clothesline finisher. There are like five of them in every match, ya bum!

Booing this take, even if I understand it... on some level. As perhaps Bradshaw's quietest biggest fan(?), I'm sad you didn't recognize the specialness of his special clothesline from much earlier on. Are you saying you NEVER came around on his clothesline!?

Oh I definitely came around. It was an upper tier WWF finish from 98-06 imo and I've watched the JBL Clothesline compilation on Youtube entirely too many times. 

Road Dogg's Pumphandle Slam was another dud finisher.

Great move, buyable finish... Just wrong guy. It's a power move, Dogg isn't a power guy. People wanted to see him Shake, Rattle & Roll or whatever his dancing punch out finish was dubbed. Leave the pump handles for guys like Test when they need to rest their big boots.

Agreed. Thing is Bradshaw was doing bigger, better, badder Pumphandle Slams as a regular move when the D-O-Double G was using it as a finish. A few years later you had guys like Test and Wrath over in WCW doing the infinitely cooler Pumphandle Powerslam creating that sweet whiplash effect. Road Dogg's version was so weak in comparison.

The Alley Oop ruled! I still pop whenever I see an Alley Oop. Saw one not long ago from THE GREAT Judy Martin circa 1983ish. Popped. Because I always do. Show's stupid Final Cut is a much better choice for this thread. Props to @aaron for that one.

I'm starting to think I've just never seen a well-executed Alley-oop? Wouldn't surprise me if Judy Martin's is the best; she's a beast. Originatress of the Powerbomb, babay!!~

Am I misremembering, or are yinz all confusing the Final Cut with the Eye of the Hurricane? Hurricane dropped an elbow; I could've sworn Show dropped a hog log of a leg drop instead. Because of the size of Show's thigh, I always like his Final Cut personally. However, I'll die on the hill that all other finishes for him are inexcusable before and after the Showstopper.

I'll have to post the Martin Oop in the Gif Thread if I haven't already. HOG LOG~!


I was never crazy about the Angle/Olympic Slam. It worked much better as a nearfall move once the Ankle Lock became Kurt's primary finisher.

Sadly agreed. The Angle Slam suffered a three strike death IMO. First was Olympic Committee forcing an IP issue and making WWF rebrand the move as an Angle Slam. 

I had never heard this before. Thanks for the info! 

One and Only ruled and is much better than the Fameasser, which I was never crazy about.

Love the O&O love, but can't stand for the FA hate. Only strike against the Fameasser IMO is its god awful name.

Hate is too strong a word. Only said "I was never crazy about it." It was....ok in a 4/10 sort of way. There are worse. 


🤯 Undertaker singlehandedly got Hell's Gate just as he got almost everything over. And you are so wrong about the Side Effect. The Side Effect ruled! Because crowds almost always bit on the nearfall even though I'm not sure Matt ever pinned a single person with it. Not sure where you got the idea it wasn't over. Is Edge's Edge-O-Matic the 'pull the guy down from behind and sitout' move? I get all his Edge... moves mixed up. If so, it was alright for that level of move. Not great, but decent enough.

Undertaker is the undisputed master of getting stuff over that has no business getting over. He could've gone all in on being nicknamed Booger Red, and I would've been all in on it with him. Frankly, I love the versatility and variety the Dragon Sleeper, Hell's Gates, and Last Ride lended to Deadman's finish arsenal.

Yep and agreed.

I'll let your Side Effect love slide, and it was admittedly far less offensive to the senses that the Edge-o-matic (which you nailed in recalling). That you defended it as a false finish makes me sad. Edge has the worst soft offense this side of John Morrison. The Edge-o-matic, his Edgecution (Impaler DDT?), and spear are all SAWFT and thus infuriating as finishes or even false finishes. I could tolerate his Electric Chair Drop as an occasional false finish. The one finish he should've stuck with, he dropped: the Edgecator (reverse sharpshooter?)... ranked in the tier for me along with the Haas of Pain, Trailer Hitch, and El Paso Lasso.

Edgecution ruled! Barry Windham did it! And I ain't about to start besmirching big BW. Edgecator was also cool. 

Goldust's Curtain Call sucked. Anything else he could have done from that position would have been better. Slop Drop? Better. Malenko's reverse suplex? Better. Daniels' Last Rites? Better. Instead he picked the guy up and put him down. Badder.

Wait... What's the difference between a Curtain Call and a Slop Drop? Is a Slop Drop just a Scorpion Death Drop then?

Yes, Scorpion Death Drop is the mark name for Slop Drop.

Anyone else remember Regal's goofball twisting arm trap neckbreaker? Be glad if you don't.

Besmircher! The Regal Cutter was perfectly cromulent for Regal as a finish alternative to the Regal Stretch. But this is coming from someone who HATED the Power of the Punch.

Power of the Punch got old pretty quick. Only good Regal finisher is the Regal Stretch imo. Also hated the running knee he tried getting over in 2002 using the same Clothesline/Sleeper "too basic" logic.

Controversial Opinion: I never liked the Falcon Arrow/Hollycaust or WWE Michinoku Driver.

I think technically WWF only ever saw the Michinoku Driver II? Need Michinokudriver to confirm. But I agree it was a weaker finish. Good thing it was mostly relegated to WWF's useless light heavyweight "division".

It was a WWF call for safety reasons and I totally get it nowadays. Outside WWF Taka would slam guys high and tight on the MD to where it was a borderline head drop. WWF version was more like a sitout bodyslam.

Even More Controversial Opinion: The F5 sucks. It rarely lands right. And whenever I see it all I can think is "WEEEE!" Like what a fun little ride through the air.

Surprise confession: I was only meh on the F5 for a long time. My poor boy Brock struggled with a good finish his first year, and even in general. As impressive as it was, his first finisher (repeating powerbombs resulting in TKOs) were anticlimactic. The first incarnation of the Brock Lock was the world's laziest bear hug. Especially when he'd lay down on the mat. The second incarnation was impressive as hell on Benoit & Rey, but clearly couldn't be applied well on everyone. The Kimura upon his return was "meh" and exposed his shoulders needlessly to pins. WMXIX proved why his epic SSP stopped being a thing. His best finisher for my money was the Ganso Bomb he debuted on BOBCORE. -_-

Brock Lock will always be the GOAT Lesnar finisher in my book. 

Douglas would get my vote, but I'd also have to give Shawn's Teardrop Suplex a shout out. So underwhelming, that it's largely been forgotten about despite Shawn's legacy.

What a boring move!

I agree with Emperor about the Judas Effect too. After all the hype about Jericho's new special move, it was just an elbow strike. Awful!

Nov 26, 2022 12:17:10 GMT Big Pete said:

Douglas would get my vote, but I'd also have to give Shawn's Teardrop Suplex a shout out. So underwhelming, that it's largely been forgotten about despite Shawn's legacy.

How epic troll heel would it have been had Shawn, after barber-shopping Jannetty, stolen the Rocker Dropper as his finish?

Feel like it would've better suited Shawn's ring style, agility, build, and even character more so than that Tear Droplex. So much so, we all collectively forget that it was ever even originally Marty's move. Then Billy Gunn can just cut straight to having the O&O as his finish. And THEN arguably even better, Young Bucks never become a thing because super kicks never get as over.

Yeah, the Teardrop Suplex is a weak finisher even for 1992. It'd be ok as a mid-level move what with being a cross between a back suplex and Angle Slam. But a finisher? Nah.
Fun Fact: I have no recollection of HBK doing the move in real time and even dismissed as an internet myth in the past. Still not entirely convinced it wasn't a move he only used once or twice as a finish. I do remember him ending squashes with the Piledriver about that many times.

Nov 26, 2022 15:09:42 GMT Baker said:

Yeah, the Teardrop Suplex is a weak finisher even for 1992. It'd be ok as a mid-level move what with being a cross between a back suplex and Angle Slam. But a finisher? Nah.
Fun Fact: I have no recollection of HBK doing the move in real time and even dismissed as an internet myth in the past. Still not entirely convinced it wasn't a move he only used once or twice as a finish. I do remember him ending squashes with the Piledriver about that many times.

During the WWF Superstars WatchThru I joined UT on, HBK was definitely ending the majority (if not all) of his TV squashes in 1992 with this lame Tear Droplex. Sweet Chin Music wasn't named until 1993, right? When did the name officially stick and become THE finish?
1994?

^I stand corrected. Not sure when Sweet Chin Music was named but I always date its becoming a thing to the Summer of 94 when he inadvertently hit Diesel with it a couple times leading to their split.

While it was certainly over, The Ultimate Warrior's back splash is one of the worst finishers of all time. Gotta be a scary fat guy to even think about using that as a finisher.