Triple H after WM said Cody is our main event guy and prepare because his story is continuing and just implied that the setback is what makes the victory worth it. Something something Rocky movies.

Question. Just how drastic did Triple H change WWE? All of the best stuff this year (Sami & Cody) started under Vince. And all of the worst stuff from this year (Damage CTRL and Bray) were Triple H stuff. Literally every talent he brought back is struggling to develop meaningful character and at best they are staying afloat in a midcard that they look out of place in.

If the major difference is: how happy the talent are. Why is that a needle mover? The best people of the year were happy or at least content under Vince (Roman, Cody, Brock, Usos, Sami, KO). Heck Sami & KO re-upped under Vince. And anyone we were super excited about getting back hasn’t connected with us in any level.

Yeah. Losing Bayley would be a blow. But what has she done since she came back other than lead a faction that has went nowhere. Can anyone even remember why they were a thing? What was their mission? Why were they even together?

I’m not dogging Triple H. I loved the last six months. But I loved the six months before that under Vince, too. WWE always produces a show that I enjoy and my kids enjoy. There are hits and misses alike. But I don’t feel like Triple H did this 180 and suddenly we had a different show. He made small changes. But for the most part.. it was just the same show.

Can anyone tell me (besides the locker room)… how is WWE going to change in any meaningful way? Im down to listen and not set in my ways. I just get this impression that everyone feels like the doom of WWE is inevitable now that it’s believed Vince is back in charge. And I felt like it was thriving in those six months before he left.

Apr 4, 2023 22:43:12 GMT jTjohncenaGOAT said:

Triple H after WM said Cody is our main event guy and prepare because his story is continuing and just implied that the setback is what makes the victory worth it. Something something Rocky movies.

Question. Just how drastic did Triple H change WWE? All of the best stuff this year (Sami & Cody) started under Vince. And all of the worst stuff from this year (Damage CTRL and Bray) were Triple H stuff. Literally every talent he brought back is struggling to develop meaningful character and at best they are staying afloat in a midcard that they look out of place in.

If the major difference is: how happy the talent are. Why is that a needle mover? The best people of the year were happy or at least content under Vince (Roman, Cody, Brock, Usos, Sami, KO). Heck Sami & KO re-upped under Vince. And anyone we were super excited about getting back hasn’t connected with us in any level.

Yeah. Losing Bayley would be a blow. But what has she done since she came back other than lead a faction that has went nowhere. Can anyone even remember why they were a thing? What was their mission? Why were they even together?

I’m not dogging Triple H. I loved the last six months. But I loved the six months before that under Vince, too. WWE always produces a show that I enjoy and my kids enjoy. There are hits and misses alike. But I don’t feel like Triple H did this 180 and suddenly we had a different show. He made small changes. But for the most part.. it was just the same show.

Can anyone tell me (besides the locker room)… how is WWE going to change in any meaningful way? Im down to listen and not set in my ways. I just get this impression that everyone feels like the doom of WWE is inevitable now that it’s believed Vince is back in charge. And I felt like it was thriving in those six months before he left.

Lots of great points. I'm going to put some meaningful thought into this and get back to you, because a) I believe you deserve well thought out rebuttal for your well thought out points b) I've been up for 30 hours and right now my favorite color is ham. 

The fact that HHH brought back Hit Row and Bray Wyatt just shows he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

I think all in all, what has driven WWE back into favour has been The Bloodline development over the last 6 months.

Of course, there's other highlights I've GUNTHER's reign, and Cody's return, Judgement Day, etc.

I'd say under Triple H, The Bloodline storyline really found a groove. As I said yesterday, at one point it was just challenger after challenger and we'd move on to the next challenger. Sami v The Bloodline really became apparent around Survivor Series and this is where the dynamics between each member became a focused point of the angle. It was there initially during the pandemic era but faded away in favour of the Bloodline dynasty/must protect Roman angle.

Similarly, Judgement Day really found its groove also.

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Fans blasted the episode online, rating it the worst episode of Raw ever on Cagematch.net. However, the show proved to be a huge success in terms of viewership. According to Brandon Thurston of Wrestlenomics, last night’s episode of WWE Raw drew an average of 2,260,00 viewers with a 0.76 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic. This is the highest rating the show has enjoyed since Raw’s 30th anniversary celebration in January, and the highest rating in the key demographic since before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The idea of giving Lita and Becky the Women's Tag Team Titles being a Vince move, looks to be all true.

Apr 4, 2023 22:53:35 GMT NATH45 said:

I think all in all, what has driven WWE back into favour has been The Bloodline development over the last 6 months.

Of course, there's other highlights I've GUNTHER's reign, and Cody's return, Judgement Day, etc.

I'd say under Triple H, The Bloodline storyline really found a groove. As I said yesterday, at one point it was just challenger after challenger and we'd move on to the next challenger. Sami v The Bloodline really became apparent around Survivor Series and this is where the dynamics between each member became a focused point of the angle. It was there initially during the pandemic era but faded away in favour of the Bloodline dynasty/must protect Roman angle.

Similarly, Judgement Day really found its groove also.

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Fans blasted the episode online, rating it the worst episode of Raw ever on Cagematch.net. However, the show proved to be a huge success in terms of viewership. According to Brandon Thurston of Wrestlenomics, last night’s episode of WWE Raw drew an average of 2,260,00 viewers with a 0.76 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic. This is the highest rating the show has enjoyed since Raw’s 30th anniversary celebration in January, and the highest rating in the key demographic since before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Well of course the number's gonna be high.  It is post-WrestleMania after all.  Not everyone bought the event.  So they'll tune in just to see what happened.

They showed enough of it.

Apr 4, 2023 22:57:12 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Apr 4, 2023 22:53:35 GMT NATH45 said:

I think all in all, what has driven WWE back into favour has been The Bloodline development over the last 6 months.

Of course, there's other highlights I've GUNTHER's reign, and Cody's return, Judgement Day, etc.

I'd say under Triple H, The Bloodline storyline really found a groove. As I said yesterday, at one point it was just challenger after challenger and we'd move on to the next challenger. Sami v The Bloodline really became apparent around Survivor Series and this is where the dynamics between each member became a focused point of the angle. It was there initially during the pandemic era but faded away in favour of the Bloodline dynasty/must protect Roman angle.

Similarly, Judgement Day really found its groove also.

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Fans blasted the episode online, rating it the worst episode of Raw ever on Cagematch.net. However, the show proved to be a huge success in terms of viewership. According to Brandon Thurston of Wrestlenomics, last night’s episode of WWE Raw drew an average of 2,260,00 viewers with a 0.76 rating in the 18-49 year old demographic. This is the highest rating the show has enjoyed since Raw’s 30th anniversary celebration in January, and the highest rating in the key demographic since before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Well of course the number's gonna be high.  It is post-WrestleMania after all.  Not everyone bought the event.  So they'll tune in just to see what happened.

Do people not know what the internet is or something?

Who tunes in to find out what happened at WrestleMania when I can ask Google?

People who cover wrestling seem to think only the percentage of US television watchers matter for the success of a show. Less than 40% of US households even have cable though, and it is an international audience. TV rating become less and less relevant each year, but wrestling journalism still act like they are the all important metric. And of course they all act like the average American does not use the internet, despite over 93% of the US using it.

Raw after Mania gets a bump as usually there are surprises and new storylines so people tune in to see what they are. It is really that simple. People who cared about results likely saw them as every major news site posts shit like that now.

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I assume Bray will be released in the coming weeks.  Vince already did not want him, and now he is hurt and failing to draw I assume he is gone.

Generally I think the biggest difference is that the storytelling feels a little more coherent, especially for the undercard guys that don’t have as much of a say in what they do. There are definitely going to be examples of things that haven’t gone well since Summerslam, but on the whole the shows seem more interested in creating stories for everybody, not just a top story followed by a mishmash of sudden “hey we’re in the ring, they’re in the ring, let’s make this a tag match!” stuff.

I’d disagree with your complaint about Damage CTRL. I don’t think they’ve been bad. I think that they’ve made a mistake to bury Bayley a little too much, but at least we know on a week to week basis that they’re heels, which was a long standing problem for most of the women’s division last year.

Last night’s show was a mess. The shows haven’t all been great since HHH took over, but they rarely seemed this short-sighted. I don’t know that that is all Vince’s fault, but starting at the top “I want a rematch, oh ok I can’t have that how about a tag match with a mystery partner?” was a real eye roll, the KO/Sami thing not even talking about the Bloodline and just turning the page onto their next fight felt hollow.

I was probably ready to zoom out on the show after Mania anyway, as is my routine. But last nights show really escalated that momentum and I don’t think it’s coincidence that the show was reportedly being rewritten during the show to match what Vince wanted and that it sucked at the same time.

Apr 4, 2023 22:52:17 GMT @papaya said:

The fact that HHH brought back Hit Row and Bray Wyatt just shows he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

Vinces releases had depleted the main roster to an absolute skeleton crew. Even if Triple H's rehires don't account for any main event pushes, it allows for variety of who is seen on tv. 

Apr 5, 2023 2:37:31 GMT nazzer said:

Apr 4, 2023 22:52:17 GMT @papaya said:

The fact that HHH brought back Hit Row and Bray Wyatt just shows he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

Vinces releases had depleted the main roster to an absolute skeleton crew. Even if Triple H's rehires don't account for any main event pushes, it allows for variety of who is seen on tv. 

I agree 💯 it worked out great for touring hands as well to help take some of the load.

But I get the feeling some people thought they were being rehired as some kind of correction. Like they were some super over talent that was wrongfully terminated and Triple H was going to fix it by pushing them to the moon or something.

Apr 5, 2023 2:55:18 GMT jTjohncenaGOAT said:

Apr 5, 2023 2:37:31 GMT nazzer said:

Vinces releases had depleted the main roster to an absolute skeleton crew. Even if Triple H's rehires don't account for any main event pushes, it allows for variety of who is seen on tv. 

I agree 💯 it worked out great for touring hands as well to help take some of the load.

But I get the feeling some people thought they were being rehired as some kind of correction. Like they were some super over talent that was wrongfully terminated and Triple H was going to fix it by pushing them to the moon or something.

well, I'm sure they will still be satisfied with having a larger paycheque than before when they weren't on wwe payroll.

Under HHH, the show was more consistent with a higher emphasis on the in-ring product but it wasn't like the show was producing must-watch either. Which was fine for me because WWE was more about how they promoted their stars and booked their big shows.

I find it crazy that all it took was Cody losing at Wrestlemania and a mailed-in RAW for fans to go off the deep end like that. Wrestlemania was a great spectacle and I'm still processing everything that happened over the weekend, both on the show and in the industry in general. I wouldn't blame the WWE if they felt the same way.

WWE is like :

" oh, you didn't like RAW.. "



" Sorry.. what did you say? "

Apr 5, 2023 6:00:14 GMT Big Pete said:

Under HHH, the show was more consistent with a higher emphasis on the in-ring product but it wasn't like the show was producing must-watch either. Which was fine for me because WWE was more about how they promoted their stars and booked their big shows.

I find it crazy that all it took was Cody losing at Wrestlemania and a mailed-in RAW for fans to go off the deep end like that. Wrestlemania was a great spectacle and I'm still processing everything that happened over the weekend, both on the show and in the industry in general. I wouldn't blame the WWE if they felt the same way.

It definitely feels like a knee jerk reaction. I’m going to let it settler and give them time before I get overly critical about it. Again. Overall, I liked a lot of stuff that happened on Raw. Especially surrounding the top of the card.

HHH has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt from me, I still hope he dies early from steroid abuse so I can make memes here and outrage anyone who is left

Apr 11, 2023 13:30:37 GMT iNCY said:

HHH has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt from me, I still hope he dies early from steroid abuse so I can make memes here and outrage anyone who is left

Apr 11, 2023 13:30:37 GMT iNCY said:

HHH has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt from me, I still hope he dies early from steroid abuse so I can make memes here and outrage anyone who is left

This is how I feel about Vince. Have for years and still I gave him much of my hard earned money. 

Apr 11, 2023 13:30:37 GMT iNCY said:

HHH has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt from me

...and he never will.

Vince McMahon for the last 15 years, I can't defend. Triple H for his work with NXT, I can.

We wouldn't have guys like KO and Sami if it wasn't for HHH I'm convinced.

I've gotten tired of Vince being in charge of creative. In most cases, the shows he runs have become dull & lifeless. When HHH started to run the show, I can see the upward shift in energy, with morale being high. Who gets their best work down with constant changes being made while getting yelled at all the time?

Vince is the least of people's problems now. Endeavor will take over the marketing real soon. Soon guys gonna be wrestling all over branded ring shit. Likely for shit they do not want to support either, like gambling sites or men's energy pills.  Could go as far as making wrestlers wear branded attire.

Stacker 2 making a come back!!!

Apr 11, 2023 23:03:04 GMT c said:

Vince is the least of people's problems now. Endeavor will take over the marketing real soon. Soon guys gonna be wrestling all over branded ring shit. Likely for shit they do not want to support either, like gambling sites or men's energy pills.  Could go as far as making wrestlers wear branded attire.

I'm just going to be honest. I don't care about any of that. 

Apr 4, 2023 22:52:17 GMT @papaya said:

The fact that HHH brought back Hit Row and Bray Wyatt just shows he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

Bray got a huge pop when he returned & Hit Row is a harmless & useless mid-card act they could drop tomorrow & very few fans would care. A pillow punch to HHH's goodwill.

Apr 11, 2023 23:03:04 GMT c said:

Vince is the least of people's problems now. Endeavor will take over the marketing real soon. Soon guys gonna be wrestling all over branded ring shit. Likely for shit they do not want to support either, like gambling sites or men's energy pills.  Could go as far as making wrestlers wear branded attire.

As compared to...

The funniest thing about the WWE power struggle is that it's between two idiots stuck in different versions of the '80s, so it has very little chance of ever being truly good again. Vince is always going to fall back to what brought him his first taste of success, Roman would probably still be a babyface most of the audience hated if Vince had it his way, just a continuation of Cena, which was the "we have that home" version of Hulkamania. 1984 WWF sensibility is all Vince wants from a wrestling program, now and forever. Meanwhile, Triple H's entire wrestling sensibility seems to be 1980s territorial wrestling. It's still WWF vs. NWA, after all these years, just in creative meetings now, and it's fucking 2023 instead of 1987.

Dude how you supposed to concentrate on the match with fucking popups in the ring? Fans OR performer...