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Post by Ness on Jan 14, 2024 5:41:14 GMT
Some wear the actual belt around the waist and it's meant to be. Some carry it around and others go for the prestigious shoulder hold. It all depends on the character and situation. For instance it makes sense for Flair to have 8 lbs of gold over his shoulder when he's stylin' and profilin' but headed to the ring the waist suits him. Austin always carried his around at least later on, I'm pretty sure he wore the US title in wCw. Rock is a case where it felt like people felt he would disrespect the top belt by dragging it or flinging it around.
Bret ever the goat did both and even kissed it. Hell it meant so much to him he didn't want to lose it. Evidently Taker was wrong. Everything was indeed ABOOT him.
There's also been cases where wrestlers actively disliked the belts and either tossed them in the air (Naito) or dragged them purposely on the ground (Sami Callihan). And then you have people like Paige... which I'm sure NEVER happened with Space Mountain.
Anyways do you find any method of travel for a belt to be "lesser" than others. I always liked BOBCORE treating the hardcore belt like it was a real belt as we saw @ WM2000. In my backyard days I was always a shoulder strap guy because wearing it was hard since it was a kid's size... that and it wasn't COOL.
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Post by Kilgore on Jan 14, 2024 6:07:20 GMT
As you said, it really depends on the character. As a general rule, I like a shoulder carry while cutting a promo. Letting it be known who owns the gold. Talk your shit while keeping a hand on the gold draped around your shoulder. And when you want to get intense, you grab the belt, hold it front of you, and tell the people ain't nobody taking it. During a title defense, you wear that belt around the waist. And you walk down that aisle with the greatest waist accessory there's ever been. The belt only comes off for two reasons: 1. You want to raise it to the crowd on the turnbuckles before settling down to start the match 2. The match is about to begin and you have to hand it to the referee. You fold the straps under the plate, give a long yearnful look at the gold, maybe a little kiss, and you hand it over (I love when wrestlers are still wearing the gold during the staredown, not giving it up to the last possible moment) But, this can change based on the character. Another way to carry the gold that I'm a huge fan of is The Cradle: Flair owns this gold play more than anyone, it's the classiest way to walk around. You can't wear the belt while wearing a suit. The shoulder carry is a good alternative, but a little too brutish, a little too blue collar. You cradle it near your waist, the waist it belongs, but not right this second, that's the move.
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Post by N A T H on Jan 15, 2024 2:46:37 GMT
I've always preferred the around the waist look. I think in a way it bought importance to the title, especially when it was on guys like Hunter and Goldberg, who both looked a million dollars with the Big Gold.
And for the lesser experienced or those lacking a bit of confidence who haven't quite nailed their " champion " entrance, having the title around the waist stops the waving of it around.. it's on this shoulder, now it's over here, now I've got to find someone to put it as I climb in the ring, now it's on the floor, now I'm deciding on what to do next... sort this shit out.
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Post by Baker on Jan 16, 2024 20:38:55 GMT
I'm a traditionalist. It's a belt. You wear it. Only exception I'll allow is for guys like Yokozuna who are too fat for the belt to fit around. But even that's on the promotion. Stop being cheapskates. Build that man a bigger belt.
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Post by Ness on Jan 16, 2024 21:56:52 GMT
I'm a traditionalist. It's a belt. You wear it. Only exception I'll allow is for guys like Yokozuna who are too fat for the belt to fit around. But even that's on the promotion. Stop being cheapskates. Build that man a bigger belt. Do you like "custom" belts that are specific to a wrestler? Personally I hate them...
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Post by Kilgore on Jan 16, 2024 22:17:04 GMT
In theory, custom belts are awful. However, I hated the Attitude Era Championship strap so much that custom belts that came into vogue during that time seemed like upgrades. If someone was rocking a custom belt instead of the Eagle or the Big Gold, though, then they belong in prison. And what do you know? No one ever did that. That's what happens when you make the coolest belts of all time.
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Post by Ness on Jan 16, 2024 22:19:27 GMT
In theory, custom belts are awful. However, I hated the Attitude Era Championship strap so much that custom belts that came into vogue during that time seemed like upgrades. If someone was rocking a custom belt instead of the Eagle or the Big Gold, though, then they belong in prison. And what do you know? No one ever did that. That's what happens when you make the coolest belts of all time.
Was the belt that was around when I started so it always had a special place to me. Then again my backyard belt was winged eagle, so even at the height of the belt in 2001... local retailers knew the deal better than a mark like me.
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Post by N A T H on Jan 16, 2024 22:57:47 GMT
On the custom belt thing, what's stopping someone today from just making a custom belt and declaring themselves World Champion? Tazz did.
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Post by Ness on Jan 16, 2024 23:10:32 GMT
What even makes a world championship. During my indie days any defense overseas counted for me. These days I'm not sure.
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Post by Baker on Jan 16, 2024 23:12:42 GMT
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Post by Ness on Jan 16, 2024 23:22:58 GMT
Hate the modern 2 simply because they're basically the same. Also hate how they used that design for all the main belts with both brands seemingly having the same ones with color swaps. Hating on the Spinner is goofy in 2024, but at least we got this...
RVD is just so fucking cool.
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Post by N A T H on Jan 16, 2024 23:30:39 GMT
It's weird, because I hated the new IC title - but on GUNTHER, it looks perfect. Maybe he's bought a new level of prestige to the belt or his old-world look compliments the title or visa versa.
On a side rambling note; did the WWE Big Gold belt get smaller again towards the end of it's life in WWE?
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Post by Kilgore on Jan 17, 2024 0:29:35 GMT
The modern WWE Championship is just a giant Super Bowl ring for the waist, so clearly designed by corporate branding assholes so that every time it gets worn outside of wrestling it's a free WWE commercial with the logo so prominent.
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Post by Ness on Jan 17, 2024 0:37:07 GMT
I chose to read Kilgore 's last post in Sabu's voice. So I'm assuming it's a direct quote in whatever shoot interview that's from. Like tell me "giant superbowl ring" isn't used in a trailer to sell the DVD which will mostly be 98% bullshit. All the good stuff was in that 2 minute youtube video...
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Post by Leper Messiah on Jan 17, 2024 0:50:28 GMT
What even makes a world championship. During my indie days any defense overseas counted for me. These days I'm not sure. I feel like the "World" concept of titles came linking it the original World Championship (held by George Hackenschmidt). Most did by linking their title through the NWA title (which, when looking through the history of the original World title, the NWA title linking to it feels a bit like a form of kayfabe being kept alive to this day), but I feel with others, it was probably done just to make it feel bigger. I guess I get WWE eventually making a "Universal Champion", because being a champion of the world isn't big enough.😂 In terms of how to wear a belt, it definitely depends on the character. In terms of Austin, "Stunning" wearing the belt made sense, even in the case "Ringmaster", but "Stone Cold" felt like the kind of guy that would just carry it around, since he wasn't a "corporate tool". It's why carrying the "Smokin' Skull" belt instead of the standard WWF title fit as well, which makes custom belts outfit the character as well.
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Post by Baker on Jan 17, 2024 1:41:51 GMT
I guess I get WWE eventually making a "Universal Champion", because being a champion of the world isn't big enough.😂 To be fair, this was not a WWE original. Bill Watts' UWF had a "Universal Champion" way back in 86-87 and I'm fairly certain Watts used the very tagline in your post to promote his title. Rinky dink California indie APW, who held most of their shows in a literal garage, also had a Universal Champion. And I'm sure there were others predating WWE.
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Post by Leper Messiah on Jan 17, 2024 2:12:12 GMT
I guess I get WWE eventually making a "Universal Champion", because being a champion of the world isn't big enough.😂 To be fair, this was not a WWE original. Bill Watts' UWF had a "Universal Champion" way back in 86-87 and I'm fairly certain Watts used the very tagline in your post to promote his title. Rinky dink California indie APW, who held most of their shows in a literal garage, also had a Universal Champion. And I'm sure there were others predating WWE. I was not aware of that. Honestly, I feel like a lot of guys in Mid-South/UWF could have taken on any aliens from a different galaxy, and won.😁
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Post by Baker on Jan 19, 2024 23:27:07 GMT
I was not aware of that. Honestly, I feel like a lot of guys in Mid-South/UWF could have taken on any aliens from a different galaxy, and won.😁 Won't vouch for every Mid South guy, but I absolutely believed Dr. Death would have whipped any alien in the universe from like May 87-April 97, and then from April 97 to July 98 I believed Williams would whoop any being in the universe aside from Taz. Dr. Death vs. Predator? Please. Doc would Oklahoma Stampede it to death in under 5.
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Post by Leper Messiah on Jan 20, 2024 15:12:35 GMT
I was not aware of that. Honestly, I feel like a lot of guys in Mid-South/UWF could have taken on any aliens from a different galaxy, and won.😁 Won't vouch for every Mid South guy, but I absolutely believed Dr. Death would have whipped any alien in the universe from like May 87-April 97, and then from April 97 to July 98 I believed Williams would whoop any being in the universe aside from Taz. Dr. Death vs. Predator? Please. Doc would Oklahoma Stampede it to death in under 5. Dr. Death, Terry Gordy, Jim Duggan, JYD, possibly even Bill Watts in his prime, I think could have all handled an alien.
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Post by Ness on Jan 20, 2024 16:47:13 GMT
What are we defining as an alien or did you mean Sin Cara? <_<
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Post by Leper Messiah on Jan 20, 2024 17:06:26 GMT
I think we're defining alien as an extra-terrestrial being, possibly outside of the Milky Way Galaxy.
Sin Cara, for this discussion, might just fall under the "Cornette" category of "jumpy flippy bitch".😂
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