Feb 19, 2024 18:24:50 GMT NATH45 said:

Australia

What's that?

Sounds like all the good supervisors went down under. Ours just gets shuffled around like the catholic church.

Feb 19, 2024 18:35:00 GMT Gyro LC said:

Feb 19, 2024 18:24:50 GMT NATH45 said:

Australia

What's that?

It does not exist.

Feb 19, 2024 18:35:26 GMT @ness said:

Sounds like all the good supervisors went down under. Ours just gets shuffled around like the catholic church.

The policy and culture in large organisations usually ensures that " being a good person " is high on the criteria when hiring or selecting new leaders.

Some of the biggest brand has it clearly as part of their company's values.

And it's not unique to new talent coming through. I saw a 23 year vet of the business, who was in a high profile position terminated due to his continual aggressive and obstinate behaviour. The new world and a people first culture caught up to him.

It's not to suggest there aren't absolute bastards out there. There is. But people ( some here ) seem to think, anyone who has taken a management position is a prick. Most that I've encountered, were encouraged to take on a management position because they were generally good at something.

That is how it is in the US. The assumption is if you work part time, you should keep a clear schedule so you can be called in on a few hours notice. Some places even push you to prioritize the job over college classes. Got family in the hospital they do not care. Sister getting married they do not care. Put in for the day off months ago and had it approved, they do not care.

Like this did not happen overnight, we got here gradually, generally by people with only two to three years work experience becoming low level managers and power tripping over it, or their bosses not wanting to hear any complaints and demanding they just fix things. Of course store managers in many places have 4 to 5 years work experience. This is not like in a field either, good chunk of US labor that uses part time is set up like this using people fresh to the workforce then promoting anyone who lasts to management, then to store manager. No training is even given at all. Meanwhile people then come in and be like hey I have 15 years in account receivable and I never noticed this, missing it is not their salary based white collar job that people are talking about when they talk about the management problems.

Same way with this union stuff. Reason places are trying to ban employees from contacting workers at home, is it become so widely abused in some sectors this is the only way to actually stop it. Like many of us did not mind this, when I was in the research lab we talked constantly on off hours about our work. But this is a far different situation than people being harassed to come into the job for a 4 hour shift on zero notice because someone else no showed, and places are staffed with zero redundancy.

For promoting up that also is an Australian thing I guess. Most jobs in the US you promote up with a degree and hit the glass ceiling without a degree in business administration. Can be a great workers, but corporate policy in most places is you can get promoted so far without the degree. Higher level management need the MBA. This is not negotiable in most of the US labor market. Outside of dollar stores, fast food, and retail you need that degree more than you need attitude of experience. And even then, most of these stores you cannot move beyond the store level manager without the degree as they demand MBAs for the district or regional levels.

Positive attitude and work experience here gets you more work, not management. Now with AI assisted HR no business administration degree means you simply will not be offered as a candidate for a promotion to management, or to be hired as a new manager period.