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Post by System on Mar 31, 2024 3:36:03 GMT
What happened to the Drake thread? Saw the run time for each album and Honestly, Nevermind. I’ll stick to the singles.
Does that mean I’ll stop spamming pop culture with album threads? Hell no. Instead decide to do the discography of each artists mentioned in the top 10 of my top 50 thread.
Skinny Puppy are a hugely influential band that a lot of much better known acts just blatantly ripped off (some mentioned below :lol:). They also changed their sound significantly upon their return with “The Greater Wrong of the Right” so if the early stuff is too abrasive for you I’d suggest giving them another try there.
So to come:
1. Marilyn Manson Discography 2. The Offspring Discography 3. Nine Inch Nails Discography 4. Jay Z Discography (was WTT but I’ve already done Kanye) 5. MF DOOM discography (complete) 6. Tool Discography 7. Burzum Discography 8. Earl Sweatshirt Discography 9. Death Grips Discography 10. Skinny Puppy Discography
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Post by System on Mar 31, 2024 13:35:01 GMT
Remission (1985) Originally released as a 12 in ‘84, I am reviewing the 1985 version with 5 extra tracks. A very solid debut with SP classics like Smothered Hope and Far Too Frail being the highlights of an already pretty good album. The heavy sampling of films (mostly horror) is here right from the start also to great effect. Shadow of a Doubt & Blood for Dracula being the most sampled films. Not every tracks knocks it out of the park but you can see the blueprint for the brilliance to come. Rating 7/10
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Post by c on Mar 31, 2024 17:44:37 GMT
Remission & Bites has the best song they did on it with Assimilate.
Remember digging the entire Puppy discography out of a used CD bin back in the day for $2 a CD. Not sure who did it, but one of the local industrial kids got out of the scene and punting his whole collection. Since it was all odd stuff they just priced it at $2 a disc. Spent $200 or so and walked away with just a hoard of goth and industrial stuff.
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Post by c on Mar 31, 2024 18:55:05 GMT
Puppy's impact was not really felt with the first wave of industrial, but almost the entire second wave cites them as a core influence. They were the ones to really give industrial an identity as what came before was all over the place. Using Puppy as like a basis, the Wax Trax sound developed to further solidify what the emerging genre was about.
Contrasted to them was Front 242 who laid the path for EBM.
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Post by System on Apr 2, 2024 3:14:58 GMT
Bites 1985 (CD Re-Issue 1993)
The CD Re-issue is filled with so much filler it’s ridiculous, sadly reviewing that is the version I could find. Assimilate is an amazing track with Last Call coming in at a distant second. This was just a bit too experimental for me, I like instrumental music but can only handle so many tracks of repetitive samples and noise. I know it’s not fair to the original work but can only stream what I can find. Found this cool FF7 edit years ago with Assimilate though Rating 4/10
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Post by theend on Apr 2, 2024 14:57:55 GMT
A club unused to hang out played Testure regularly. Didn't think the band would be remembered
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Post by c on Apr 2, 2024 16:02:17 GMT
Puppy is a cornerstone of industrial. Their singles all get heavy play to this day. Also a massively influential band.
Bites is the last album of the first era of Puppy, with Bill Leeb leaving and forming Front Line Assembly after. He would be replaced by Dwayne Goettel, which produced a drastic change in the band's sound.
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Post by c on Apr 3, 2024 12:14:05 GMT
Ain't It Dead Yet version of Assimilate. Post Leeb take on it which is much better.
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Post by c on Apr 3, 2024 12:17:47 GMT
As we move into Mind, we start to get videos. Puppy had very unique music videos. For Mind we get Dig It and Stairways and Flowers.
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Post by System on Apr 4, 2024 10:25:47 GMT
Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse (1986)
C already posted the best two tracks on this album but the rest of the album is solid too with Love being the only bad track. Not SP at their best so far but a step in the right direction after bites and still sticking to their roots and horror film sampling. 6/10
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Post by System on Apr 4, 2024 10:27:34 GMT
Cleanse Fold and Manipulate (1987) Genre: Electro-Industrial Runtime: 42:13 Tracklist 1. First Aid 2. Addiction 3. Shadow Cast 4. Draining Faces 5. The Mourn 6. Second Tooth 7. Tear or Beat 8. Deep Down Trauma Hounds 9. Anger 10. Epilogue (Copy/paste from Top 50 albums thread) Probably one of the most influential and blatantly ripped off bands in history, and by bands I like :lol: Case in point: ==== As mentioned in the Oghr review c got me into this group. Curious to know your thoughts too if reading This album sounds like flicking through network TV late at night when there’s a disturbance outside and you don’t want to check it out. Much like the film “Tetsuo: The Iron Man” this album is best enjoyed during the night (currently 3:11am as I write this). The first two tracks First Aid and Addiction are my favourites but this is best enjoyed as an overall work. The song “The Mourn” is based on the film Guinea Pig 2: Flowers of Flesh and Blood which Charlie Sheen famously called the FBI about thinking said film was a real snuff film. Harsh vocals and music mixed with various samples (mostly horror) I don’t see too many people on PW loving this album but curious to hear your thoughts if you do. If you want an even harsher and horrifying album then I’d recommend 1988’s VIVISECTVI which is centred around chemical warfare & animal rights. If you want a much more catchier sound the band returned in 2004 with “The Greater Wrong of the Right” and the albums going forward are a bit more upbeat (by comparison). Sample list from this album: skinnypuppy.eu/sample/sample_cfm.php Rating 10/10
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Post by System on Apr 4, 2024 11:46:13 GMT
VIVISectVI (1988)
Track List 1. Dogshit 2. VX Gas Attack 3. Harsh Stone White 4. Human Disease (S.K.U.M.M.) 5. Who’s Laughing Now 6. Testure 7. State Aid 8. Hospital Waste 9. Fritter (Stella’s Home) 10. Yes He Ran 11. Punk in Park Zoo’s 12. The Second Opinion 13. Funguss (CD Version) If you’re not already a fan of this genre and want something you’ve never heard from an album before, give this a listen especially on a dark gloomy night. Centred around the Iran-Iraq war and the use of chemical weapons as well as animal rights. Despite This album being 36 it’s sadly still timeless as many of these issues are still at the forefront of today’s news especially regarding the Middle East. Playing MGS V which is set around this time & deals with similar themes so well matched. As mentioned in the last post this is even darker than Cleanse, Fold and Manipulate with a harsher sound but it definitely works to its themes. There is still moments of dare I say catchiness that make it a better listen than Bites or Mind. Who’s laughing now Testure Hospital Waste Are all great tracks that are a “bop” by Industrial standards. End of album more “horror” oriented for lack of a better time and gets more experimental with the tracks below Fritter (Stella’s home) yes he ran Cleanse is my favourite SP album but arguments have been made this is their best work and I can see why people feel that way.If I couldn’t pick Cleanse I’d definitely pick this for recommending early Skinny Puppy. Rating 9/10
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Post by System on Apr 4, 2024 13:50:03 GMT
Rabies (1989) Track List 1. Rodent 2. Hexonexonx 3. Two Time Grime 4. Fascist Jock Itch 5. Worlock 6. Rain 7. Tin Omen 8. Rivers 9. Choralone CD tracks 10. Amputate 11. Spahn Dirge With the help of Ministry’s Al Jourgenson this album is a much heavier and straight forward album compared to the last two works. If I ever do a Ministry thread the last few albums with be brutal as their music is fucking awful now. Anyway back to SP Tin Omen is great and Worlock is arguably the best Skinny Puppy track ever. The rest of the album is pretty good and obviously just a matter of personal preference. Hexonexonx is one of my favourite SP tracks and is deceptively upbeat and catchy despite being about gruesome environmental destruction. Ogre still has his unique vocals, still movies samples all the way through but the change to a more industrial metal sound is quite noticeable. (Video will be restricted, click the link) Rating 8/10
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Post by c on Apr 4, 2024 23:05:57 GMT
Mind is a weird transitional album going from Leebs to Goettel. I loved Dig It, but a lot of the disc was just too art housey for general listening. Trent was open in interviews about Down in It his version of Dig It.
Cleanse Fold and Manipulate however, Goettel connected finally and they produced a masterpiece. One of the top industrial albums easily. Addiction and Trauma Mounds are fantastic songs too. This album influenced hundreds of others as is like one of the essential industrial discs.
Ah, VIVISectVI. This is the puppy I like best. The darker companion to Cleanse Fold that took the music into a far darker direction. Testure is amazing but the whole album is a good listen.
Rabies marks the start of the end of Skinny Puppy. Uncle Al comes in and Al and Ohgr move towards RevCo while Key and Goettel want to stay doing what they did before. While I did like Rabies, in retrospect you can hear things changing. Tin Omen and Worlock showcase a new sound that is more Al than Key. This was ultimately though the beginning of the end of Skinny Puppy v2 as Key did not take kindly to Oghr working with RevCo and Pigface claiming he was betrayed.
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Post by System on Apr 8, 2024 14:55:22 GMT
Too Dark Park (1990)
Track List 1. Convulsion 2. Tormentor 3.Spasmolytic 4. Rash Reflection 5. Nature’s Revenge 6. Shore Lined Poison 7. Grave Wisdom 8. T.F.W.O. 9. Morpheus Laughing 10. Reclamation This is the like the 4th film in a franchise, Halloween and John Wick being the exceptions to the rule you’re normally just happy it was ok but don’t expect it to be great. Lyrical themes and sound are most similar but there’s really no stand out tracks on this one at all. Feels like an album of B sides like Machina II. Rating 5/10
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Post by c on Apr 8, 2024 19:53:39 GMT
Had their best video though in Spasmolytic.
One of my fav songs by them too. I liked Too Dark Park. Everyone went their own way before it, then came back and merged the styles of their side projects. Was a return to form after Rabies went in a weird direction. Some place the end the second incarnation of Puppy here, I place it at the properly named Last Rights. Everyone was still talking to each other for Too Dark Park, by Last Rights the split between Ogre and Key and Goettel was total. As was Ogre's heroin addiction that got out of control right after Too Dark Park. Like in interviews about industrial some are surprised Ogre survived this period at all.
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Post by c on Apr 8, 2024 20:06:17 GMT
Real curious what you think of the next two albums. Last Rights is Ogre often recording while tripping out of his mind. The band was so pissed off at him they shipped the disc before he finished the vocals even. Then the Process is the studio demanding Puppy become more like Nine Inch Nails and the first post-heroin Ogre disc. The whole experience of working for a studio, and the fights between the Pigface and Puppy sides was so miserable it ended the band. Ogre quit, then Goettel overdosed, leading Key to finish the album alone. Shocked after all the shit that went down between Too Dark Park and The Process Key would ever want to work with Ogre again. Why the return of Puppy was a huge thing, everyone assumed the two would never, ever do music together again.
Two very strange albums for entirely different reasons to mark the end of the second era of Puppy.
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Post by System on Apr 9, 2024 5:36:23 GMT
Last Rights (1992)
Track List 1. Love In Vein 2. Killing Game 3. Knowhere? 4. Mirror Saw 5. Inquisition 6. Scrapyard 7. Riverz End 8. Lust Chance 9. Circustance 10. Download C pretty much nailed the feel of this album, it’s at least more experimental than the last album but definitely not the most accessible Skinny Puppy album, in a bad that (at this stage) already weren’t for everyone. The last track being the best example of this. You’ll also see the Tracklist world play here that comes into play a lot later in Skinny Puppy and OhGr for better or for worse. Still has some standout tracks with Inquisition and Killing Game but overall another simply above average entry into their discography. 6/10
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Post by c on Apr 9, 2024 20:55:48 GMT
Killing Game and Inquisition are good, rest ok. Really weird album for sure though. Still better than The Process though which is the clear floor for the band. Even Arkins and Genesis could not save this album from the record execs. Hilarious the label wanted the band to becoming NiN, the band changes their sound, then they dropped the band after the release for it not being what they wanted. But one interesting thing came out of this mess. The Process collective included a young Lucien Greaves who would go on to found the Satanic Temple. Want to say to this day Greaves runs the Process website. Either him or Jean-Yves Thériault from Voivod. But the Process Church eventually rebranded into the Satanic Temple. And if you look for it, you will see the Process cross tattooed on a few people. process.org/
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Post by System on Apr 10, 2024 1:51:03 GMT
The Process (1996) 1. Jahya 2. Death 3. Candle 4. Hardset Heat 5. Cult 6. Process 7. Curcible 8. Blue Serge 9. Morter 10. Amnesia 11. Cellar Heat As c and many other listeners have already pointed out, this is the worst SP album. Going through development hell with issues ranging from natural disasters, drug addiction and line up changes. Hilarious that the record company wanted them to sound like NIN when NIN borrowed a lot of their sound. So it’s a miracle this album even got released but there's no denying it isn’t very good. Blue Serge and Jahya are decent but the rest feels tired and uninspired, Candle especially. It’s meant to be a concept album based on the cult “ The Process Church of the Final Judgment” but it’s not abundantly clear throughout. Are Skinny Puppy down for the count? Find out new week on Dragon Ball Z! Rating 3/10
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Post by System on Apr 10, 2024 6:42:17 GMT
The Greater Wrong of the Right (2004) Track list 1. "I'mmortal" 4:16 2. "Pro-test" 5:29 3. "EmpTe" 4:11 4. "Neuwerld" 5:28 5. "Ghostman" 4:55 6. "dOwnsizer" 4:20 7. "Past Present" 6:27 8. "Use Less" 4:47 9. "Goneja" 5:25 10. "DaddyuWarbash" 3:18 After 18 years between albums, SP is back with a new sound. The original blueprint is still there but this time around it’s much more electronic and catchy with samples either minimal or non-existent. I’m guessing to avoid legal troubles as even back then samples were a headache let alone how bad it is now especially compared to the 80s90s. The lyrical themes are all still there however the vocal delivery is more varied compared to albums prior. I’mmortal is a great opener, Pro-Test is great and sounds like nothing SP had done at this point, downsizer is another plus and Use Less is my favourite track on the whole record. It’s not all good news though as Neuworld is awful and the baby voice at the end of the album just come across as cheesy. Still a very welcome surprise and upwards trajectory for a band that seemed like it was done and dusted. Rating 7/10
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Post by System on Apr 16, 2024 0:31:01 GMT
Mythmaker (2007)
Track List 1. "Magnifishit" 4:31 2. "Dal" 4:45 3. "Haze" 5:28 4. "Pedafly" 5:37 5. "Jaher" 5:14 6. "Politikil" 4:22 7. "Lestiduz" 4:11 8. "Pasturn" 3:48 9. "Ambiantz" 4:27 10. "Ugli" 6:33 More of the new sound that debuted on “The Greater Wrong of the Right” in a much more accessibly sound, tracks 1-5 are pretty good but as the album goes on it really starts to drop off in quality, the last track especially. The build up for the opening track is brilliantly done, followed by the catchiness of Dal only to be met with another good yet mellow track with Haze. Much like the album prior it’s cool to hear a completely new sound but it’s a shame all tracks don’t hit it out of the (Too Dark) park. Rating 7/10
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Post by c on Apr 16, 2024 1:32:54 GMT
New Puppy I have a read hard time separating from Oghr due to the insane similarity is sound. Def coming back with Walk with are the most club friendly version they been with these two discs and both got heavy play.
The Greater Wrong of the Right was just a shocking album as everyone assumed Key and Ogre would simply never ever work together again. Then they come back with a super tight club sound that was a radical shift for the band.
Mythmaker was more of the same. Not a bad album, but really just more Greater Wrong in the end. Did cement the fact that Puppy third era was one that could still go and produce great music and Greater Wrong was not a fluke.
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Post by System on Apr 18, 2024 2:17:12 GMT
hanDover (2011) Track List 1. "Ovirt" 4:51 2. "Cullorblind" 5:48 3. "Wavy" 4:34 4. "Ashas" 3:30 5. "Gambatte" 3:25 6. "Icktums" 5:16 7. "Point" 3:38 8. "Brownstone" 3:28 9. "Vyrisus" 4:07 10. "Village" 4:09 11. "Noisex" 7:14 As C already alluded to, this is the point where ohGr and Skinny Puppy are almost indistinguishable with this going for a much more electronic sound. As seen in the Top 50 thread unDeveloped by ohGr is one of my favourite albums so not necessarily a bad thing. From what I understand they made an album before this, record label went bust and they had to had over the assets for that album with some ideas appearing on unDeveloped but other than that they had to handover everything else hence the title when they had to start again. They still went on tour and released an album called “In Solvent See”. You could see that SP were probably wrap it up soon with dramas like this and if ended up being their penultimate album. Other than Brownstone and Noisex which are now instant skips for me this is a great listen. Still can see the blueprint of Skinny Puppy despite a much more electronic sound. Icktums,Vyrisus and Ovirt being my top 3 tracks, probably their most accessible album on this list so far. Rating 8/10
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Post by c on Apr 18, 2024 2:42:57 GMT
Noisex and Brownstone were from the cancelled album. They wanted to a take on Metal Machine Music. I dug this disc but really wish we got the noise album. But this is just another great industrial disc that adapted to the modern sound very well. Want to say it was Vyrisus that was slamming in clubs.
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Post by System on Apr 22, 2024 4:52:11 GMT
Weapon (2013)
Track List 1. "Wornin'" 4:42 2. "Illisit" 3:57 3. "Salvo" 3:45 4. "Glowbel" 3:15 5. "Solvent" 4:37 6. "Paragun" 4:52 7. "Survivalisto" 4:50 8. "Tsudanama" 5:53 9. "Plasicage" 3:13 10. "Terminal" 7:10 Skinny Puppy had discovered that the US military had been using its music to torture people in Guantanamo Bay and serves as one of the inspirations for this album. This definitely lit a fire under Skinny Puppy as this album is brilliant and aggressive, while still maintaining their new electronic sound. It’s all fantastic but Tsudanama and Plasicage are my two favourite tracks off of this. In my mind, “Cleanse Fold and Manipulate” is the best SP album from the first half of their discography and this the best in their second half. 11 years later, Skinny Puppy are no more but they went out with a bang as one of the most influential industrials acts of all time. Rating 10/10
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Post by c on Apr 22, 2024 17:17:25 GMT
Puppy def went out on a really high note. I imagine this time it is really it too, as they are not gonna top this album. They do more work will be under a different name or as Oghr. The tours are done too, so really feels like Skinny Puppy finally ended their career, and had one hell of a legacy that went through hell and back.
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