Are you planning to watch this, whatever it is off Netflix?

Timing seems odd considering they are going to Netflix next year, either play damage ctrl for a few months or it’s a fluff piece

I can’t wait. Mr. McMahon will always be my chairman!

Apparently this is on-par with “The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior” level burial, and I am fucking here for it.

Sept 7, 2024 20:42:01 GMT KJ said:

Apparently this is on-par with “The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior” level burial, and I am fucking here for it.

Why did Vince agree to be a part of something like that? Or was he unaware during the interviews? Or are they old interviews with him?

Somethings got to be in it for him too. All I know is I’ll definitely be watching it. 

This has been delayed for like a year or more, right? So I'm guessing Netflix had plenty of time to make the adaptations necessary for Vince's descent into the public's doghouse. Imagine releasing something resembling a fluff piece now ...

Why would he do it?

Sept 7, 2024 20:42:01 GMT KJ said:

Apparently this is on-par with “The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior” level burial, and I am fucking here for it.

Was seeing that too.   They started filming before the sex stuff came out and turned it into a slaughter piece afterwards.  Really hope it is about how Vince was truly win at all costs and ran a circus.  

History gonna be wild as HHH will be seen as the corporate savior of WWE.

As long as it's not fluff (doubt it is), I'm here for it. Hopefully they delve even deeper than Behind the Bastards did, cause in 6 of those episodes were maybe 4 that actually talked at length about Vince.

Most of the shit we probably already know but that won't make my popcorn taste any worse.

I’ve been bingeing this all morning and it’s really very good. Episode 2 they go into Snuka and the PEdo-file ring, and Rita Chatterton. Vince has a truly awful line where he says ‘even if she was raped the statute of limitations was up.” Really well made.

How you gonna spin a line like that being out of context? Honestly part of me feels Vince crying about the portrayal is just him being a carny promoter at its finest.

I'm going to watch this but I just wonder how in depth and truthful it is considering he's pulling the strings still. Or is he acting more like his 'character'. I assume we'll get more of the gruesome truths once he's dead and buried.

Sept 25, 2024 14:51:51 GMT PB said:

Vince has a truly awful line where he says ‘even if she was raped the statute of limitations was up.”

I thought there was no statute of limitations on rape/SA?

Sept 25, 2024 14:59:34 GMT iron maiden said:

I'm going to watch this but I just wonder how in depth and truthful it is considering he's pulling the strings still. Or is he acting more like his 'character'. I assume we'll get more of the gruesome truths once he's dead and buried.

Sept 25, 2024 14:51:51 GMT PB said:

Vince has a truly awful line where he says ‘even if she was raped the statute of limitations was up.”

I thought there was no statute of limitations on rape/SA?

There’s a stinger at the end of the episode that when the statute of limitations were temporarily lifted on SA cases he settled with her out court.

It’s not fully detailed like dark side of the ring but considering he tried to stop it airing it’s more honest than I thought. Touches on all the main controversies. Tony Atlas is great and very honest as is Bret Hart.

I'm sorry....Stone Cold not believing in CTEs is fucking hilarious.

Sept 25, 2024 14:59:34 GMT iron maiden said:

I'm going to watch this but I just wonder how in depth and truthful it is considering he's pulling the strings still. Or is he acting more like his 'character'. I assume we'll get more of the gruesome truths once he's dead and buried.

Sept 25, 2024 14:51:51 GMT PB said:

Vince has a truly awful line where he says ‘even if she was raped the statute of limitations was up.”

I thought there was no statute of limitations on rape/SA?

As far as I know he’s pulling zero strings. He had no editing control.

I’m three episodes in and in it’s pretty good. It’s surface level on a lot of stuff that we all already know in detail, but that’s to be expected. It’s a really polished production and pulls no punches, without being a total character assassination.

With the Dark Side of the Ring, there's usually one talking head that's never had an opportunity to tell their side of the story and that's where the value of the show is.

The show reminds me of a Dodford documentary (look at them up at YouTube). The editing is amazing and when the clips are allowed to paint the picture it's a captivating watch. However when they get the talking heads up, they're re-telling the same stories and it comes across so inauthentic.

Do we get any insight into Vince as a person? The worst thing is he comes off as a bore and the people who could have actually provided some interesting insight are long gone.

Still, it'll be fun to talk wrestling with the ham and eggers again. That's the other value of these docos/movies - it's an excuse to talk wrestling. Even then, there are times I have to stop myself going full Meltzer.

Highlight for me was the audio of Vince on commentary talking to his dad. I wish there was more insight like that because Vince comes off so awkward and insecure.

Actually, I lie, Vince on Letterman was a fun clip I'd never seen before. Another moment of Vince coming off like a huge dork.

I swear I've seen that same Bischoff interview 1000x since I first became a fan. Say less and just get '83 weeks' with a timeline tatted on your forehead, ninja!

The whole series is mostly just a huge waste of time for fans like us. We aren't getting the Vince doc we want until he's either dead, or more likely, never at all. But for what it is, it was alright. If you go in without grand expectations you might still be entertained and there's definitely some "wtf" lines from Vince in there.

Honestly I'd rather we got a docuseries on the 80's ring boy scandal and/or Rita Chatterton instead, stuff that hasn't been talked about ad nauseum and still deserves more recognition/analysis than it's gotten (outside of the more hardcore niche of fans).

Random side note: I loved seeing Shane get that hug. Hit me right in the feels. Man, I really miss Shane. O'Mac is still the best Mac.

Sept 26, 2024 12:08:17 GMT Big Pete said:

With the Dark Side of the Ring, there's usually one talking head that's never had an opportunity to tell their side of the story and that's where the value of the show is.

The show reminds me of a Dodford documentary (look at them up at YouTube). The editing is amazing and when the clips are allowed to paint the picture it's a captivating watch. However when they get the talking heads up, they're re-telling the same stories and it comes across so inauthentic.

Do we get any insight into Vince as a person? The worst thing is he comes off as a bore and the people who could have actually provided some interesting insight are long gone.

Still, it'll be fun to talk wrestling with the ham and eggers again. That's the other value of these docos/movies - it's an excuse to talk wrestling. Even then, there are times I have to stop myself going full Meltzer.

Highlight for me was the audio of Vince on commentary talking to his dad. I wish there was more insight like that because Vince comes off so awkward and insecure.

Actually, I lie, Vince on Letterman was a fun clip I'd never seen before. Another moment of Vince coming off like a huge dork.

I thought the insights into his childhood, while not entirely new, were presented in a fair bit of detail that we don’t usually get. I thought the contrast between his recollections and other people’s were very interesting and I especially thought the stuff on his relationship with Shane were adding extra detail to what we’ve only heard rumours of. Somebody on Reddit summed it up quite well that it’s very clear Vince just has no empathy. So being humiliated and working 24/7 are things he’s ok with and he cannot understand at all why everyone wouldn’t be the same as him. I thought it was definitely the fullest presentation we’ve ever gotten.

Sept 26, 2024 16:30:44 GMT PB said:

Sept 26, 2024 12:08:17 GMT Big Pete said:

With the Dark Side of the Ring, there's usually one talking head that's never had an opportunity to tell their side of the story and that's where the value of the show is.

The show reminds me of a Dodford documentary (look at them up at YouTube). The editing is amazing and when the clips are allowed to paint the picture it's a captivating watch. However when they get the talking heads up, they're re-telling the same stories and it comes across so inauthentic.

Do we get any insight into Vince as a person? The worst thing is he comes off as a bore and the people who could have actually provided some interesting insight are long gone.

Still, it'll be fun to talk wrestling with the ham and eggers again. That's the other value of these docos/movies - it's an excuse to talk wrestling. Even then, there are times I have to stop myself going full Meltzer.

Highlight for me was the audio of Vince on commentary talking to his dad. I wish there was more insight like that because Vince comes off so awkward and insecure.

Actually, I lie, Vince on Letterman was a fun clip I'd never seen before. Another moment of Vince coming off like a huge dork.

I thought the insights into his childhood, while not entirely new, were presented in a fair bit of detail that we don’t usually get. I thought the contrast between his recollections and other people’s were very interesting and I especially thought the stuff on his relationship with Shane were adding extra detail to what we’ve only heard rumours of. Somebody on Reddit summed it up quite well that it’s very clear Vince just has no empathy. So being humiliated and working 24/7 are things he’s ok with and he cannot understand at all why everyone wouldn’t be the same as him. I thought it was definitely the fullest presentation we’ve ever gotten.

I think he can at times...maybe. Apparently, the difference between a sociopath and psychopath is sociopaths can feel limited remorse or empathy and psychopaths don't so guess the question is, is he a psychopathic narcissist or a sociopathic narcissist? 

www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-sociopath-380184#:~:text=Sociopath%20is%20a%20term%20people,dangerous%2C%20like%20a%20mass%20murderer.

I checked out the first 2 episodes last night. 

While Netflix makes some beautiful documentaries, honestly, it was mostly stuff I've heard before save for maybe some of the stuff with his dad. There are also other stories I know of during his take over of the territories that wasn't really touched on, but the result is the same so I guess it's fine to gloss over it. 

Tony Atlas seemed to be the one that pulled the least amount of punches and even still, he and Hulk Hogan both said 'know you are only going to be told what they want you to know'.

One of my favorite parts was Tony Atlas talking about the ring boy scandal and Pat Patterson. 

Interviewer: did you complain? (referring to TA saying Pat Patterson grabbed his 'pecker' in the locker room)

Tony Atlas: to who?

Interviewer: To Vince

Tony Atlas: (big laugh) You know nothing about the wrestling business, don't ya?

Todd, is right in calling it 'surface level'. In the end, we are not going to get the true details/dirt until after he dies and IF people decide to stop protecting him/the business (for some it's one in the same). Likely, we'll never get a Vince documentary that satisfies the side of me that paints him as a monster in many ways. 

I'm on a five hour flight and currently watching. I'll probably get four episodes in, and then I'll finish the rest tomorrow.

On the final episode now.

As a guy who had, at best, a bad relationship with his dad, the narrative around Shane just wanting his dad’s love and respect is a bit too real. Fuck.

So I finished this last night.

This is a well done documentary, but not meant for us 'smarks' who already know 98.5% of what was touched upon.

He really skirted the Sable questions even going to far as to 'play dumb'. I found that interesting.

I was really disappointed in everyone naysaying CTE. I'm assuming they have to or it could embroil WWE in a bunch of lawsuits.

I was sad to hear (for Shane, not Vince) that in the end Vince ended up just like his dad and Shane clamored for years to gain his approval and love. 

They very briefly touched on his affairs and payouts and I think Paul E said it best:

'Vince doesn't own the business. The business owns Vince McMahon.'

Interesting that only Tony Atlas said what Vince's Legacy will be and the rest of them hummed and hawed. But Tony was right; like him or hate him, you can't take away what he has done and the fact that he is likely the greatest promoter ever.

Sept 27, 2024 1:22:01 GMT KJ said:

On the final episode now.

As a guy who had, at best, a bad relationship with his dad, the narrative around Shane just wanting his dad’s love and respect is a bit too real. Fuck.

Which is crazy because it’s the same relationship Vince had with his father and it didn’t make him a better dad. 

I’m 4 episodes in and I love this shit. You can’t make me hate Vince. He helped give my childhood so many memories. I’m loving this. 

Sept 27, 2024 16:48:00 GMT iron maiden said:

So I finished this last night.

This is a well done documentary, but not meant for us 'smarks' who already know 98.5% of what was touched upon.

He really skirted the Sable questions even going to far as to 'play dumb'. I found that interesting.

I was really disappointed in everyone naysaying CTE. I'm assuming they have to or it could embroil WWE in a bunch of lawsuits.

I was sad to hear (for Shane, not Vince) that in the end Vince ended up just like his dad and Shane clamored for years to gain his approval and love. 

They very briefly touched on his affairs and payouts and I think Paul E said it best:

'Vince doesn't own the business. The business owns Vince McMahon.'

Interesting that only Tony Atlas said what Vince's Legacy will be and the rest of them hummed and hawed. But Tony was right; like him or hate him, you can't take away what he has done and the fact that he is likely the greatest promoter ever.

Especially with his upbringing which was all new to me. 

Being sexually assaulted as a kid by your step father and not having your real father in your life until you’re about to be a teenager and then becoming a billionaire. 

Only negative thing is he didn’t allow his pain as a child change his mindset to his kids as an adult. I guess growing up with the “me vs the world” mind set made it impossible for him to feel for others especially when in his mind he was able to make it past what he did to get to where he is. 

Sept 28, 2024 15:34:28 GMT KING KID said:

Only negative thing is he didn’t allow his pain as a child change his mindset to his kids as an adult. I guess growing up with the “me vs the world” mind set made it impossible for him to feel for others especially when in his mind he was able to make it past what he did to get to where he is. 

I mean ... that and all the rape.

Allegedly.*

People like Sable are the problem for women too. I did not know she returned after the law suit to do the same shit on TV. Nobody talks enough about how horrible of a person she is too.

Sept 28, 2024 18:21:10 GMT KING KID said:

Allegedly.*

People like Sable are the problem for women too. I did not know she returned after the law suit to do the same shit on TV. Nobody talks enough about how horrible of a person she is too.

I don't believe you pay off alleged affairs. But that's me.

But yeah ... No one ever will talk about it with Brock standing beside her. Take it from Marc Mero.

www.sportbible.com/wrestling/wwe/wwe-brock-lesnar-sable-201890-20240119

Watched this before work today ... Piers Morgan panel w/ ex-WWE guys over the McMahon doc. I was actually pretty entertained by Russo here. You could tell Maven was enjoying the heated exchange between him and Phil Mushnick.

Thanks. Interesting listen.

I'm not a Russo fan, but explaining that the women literally couldn't say 'no' (just like Coach said he felt) is a slippery slope. I was surprised he backed Vince up as much as he did especially against Mushnik, but he wasn't wrong.

Charlie is not maybe the best 'get' in terms of on air female talent since she likely had very little to do with Vince over others, but she made some good points.

Listen, Vince is a dirtbag no question, but I think Phil might be a bit off the mark comparing him to Hannibal Lecter. Is he a sociopath, quite possibly, but surely there are other non-killing/people eating sociopaths you could have compared him too that were a little closer to the mark. Also, covering for pedophiles, drug users and murderers for the sake of his business again makes him a scumbag, but again doesn't make him those things.

I liked what Coach said 'they are good parts of this business. There are good people in this business.'