So if female wrestlers from the 2001-2005/6  ( I think) era of the women's division were placed in the current division in their primes how would they perform? How would they adapt to the longer matches times , and slightly more technical/ advanced styles.

I think Molly Holly is someone who would have shined in this era, especially since they probably would have let her perform as her more natural role as a face.  I really think Molly was someone who was held back for performing as well as she could during her time in WWE. Molly's Mighty Molly Persona would have been easy money for WWE. basically being a much more conventionally attractive Bayely, who's better on the mic.


Molly vs Asuka, Becky, Sasha, Charlotte, Bayley etc etc would all be dream matches.  

On the other side of the spectrum, I don't feel Lita would do as well. At her best, she was always kind of sloppy and there are others who can do what she does and more in the WWE. 

Trish is another who I think would do well, although I could see why some might not.   

Jazz.

She had a great natural heel air about her and not a lot of people can play monster heel without actually being a monster... especially at her size. Jazz was also much more technically refined than a lot of her peers... like Ivory is great and deserving of her HoF spot but she couldn’t even run the ropes properly.

Both suggestions so far would be fantastic, but if I had to choose one I'd pick Jazz too. If I could pick one dream match to see out of this scenario it would be Jazz vs Sasha. I could definitely see Molly being a great asset for girls like Sonya and Mandy to work with though.

To bring up one of my own, I think Melina would really benefit from the extra freedom the women are afforded now. She was always one of the most creative wrestlers.

Mar 16, 2018 5:51:03 GMT @admin said:

Both suggestions so far would be fantastic, but if I had to choose one I'd pick Jazz too. If I could pick one dream match to see out of this scenario it would be Jazz vs Sasha. I could definitely see Molly being a great asset for girls like Sonya and Mandy to work with though.

To bring up one of my own, I think Melina would really benefit from the extra freedom the women are afforded now. She was always one of the most creative wrestlers.

I'm curious how you feel  Trish would do in the current era HR? 


Like I said I'm a little mixed, she looked great in the little interactions she had in the royal rumble, but that's different from an actual match. I'm really curious how she would have meshed with someone like Asuka for example.    

One knock against Trish is that her matches were rather simple in some aspects without the counters and more advanced spots you see in today's matches for the most part. 

Immediate thoughts: Molly, Jazz, Victoria, and maybe Chyna

Second thoughts: Ivory, Jacqueline, Trish, and maybe Lita.

Third thoughts (mainly because I'm less familiar with the timing): Mickie James, Melina, Beth Phoenix, and Kharma.

Fourth thoughts (mainly because I'm less familiar with the timing, and even less familiar with these ladies): Michelle McCool and Layla El.

Honestly? As talented as Molly Holly was, I could still see the WWE positioning girls like Torrie Wilson & Stacey Kiebler higher. More time and energy would be devoted to their in-ring training and they would probably get featured over a lot of girls like Bayley & Becky. I believe the WWE had that mind-set with Eva Marie who was more conventionally pretty than a lot of girls, but she couldn't take that next step for whatever reason.

Mar 16, 2018 13:50:14 GMT Big Pete said:

Honestly? As talented as Molly Holly was, I could still see the WWE positioning girls like Torrie Wilson & Stacey Kiebler higher. More time and energy would be devoted to their in-ring training and they would probably get featured over a lot of girls like Bayley & Becky. I believe the WWE had that mind-set with Eva Marie who was more conventionally pretty than a lot of girls, but she couldn't take that next step for whatever reason.

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The only  Torrie/Stacy model type blond that WWE is currently pushing is Alexa.  Women with different body types and looks (Asuka, Nia, Charlotte) are currently the top babyfaces of the women's division, women like Mandy and Lana are basically jobbers. Molly would be fine.



Also Chyna would not have done that well in today's WWE her mic skills were poor, and her matches against women were not that great.  Victoria also would not do well.  Her work was always very clunky and telegraphed.   

Mar 16, 2018 20:42:12 GMT dex said:

Mar 16, 2018 13:50:14 GMT Big Pete said:

Honestly? As talented as Molly Holly was, I could still see the WWE positioning girls like Torrie Wilson & Stacey Kiebler higher. More time and energy would be devoted to their in-ring training and they would probably get featured over a lot of girls like Bayley & Becky. I believe the WWE had that mind-set with Eva Marie who was more conventionally pretty than a lot of girls, but she couldn't take that next step for whatever reason.

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The only  Torrie/Stacy model type blond that WWE is currently pushing is Alexa.  Women with different body types and looks (Asuka, Nia, Charlotte) are currently the top babyfaces of the women's division, women like Mandy and Lana are basically jobbers. Molly would be fine.



Also Chyna would not have done that well in today's WWE her mic skills were poor, and her matches against women were not that great.  Victoria also would not do well.  Her work was always very clunky and telegraphed.   

If the WWE had their way, Lana would have been the face of the division. However, her push bombed hard and the WWE came to their senses. I also gave you the example of Eva Marie who would have been pushed above a lot of the other girls if it wasn't for her personal problems. Initially she was the centre-piece of the SD Women's Division until Alexa killed it on Talking Smack. As far as Mandy goes, she's a case of being called up because they had an idea to do a woman's Rumble. It's clear she was just another body and they've already got their story in Ronda & Nia/Alexa.

As much as the WWE likes to pretend they've progressed, old habits die hard. At some point, Carmella is going to win a championship from either of those women and we'll be back to those diva days. I don't believe there's anything necessarily wrong with that either, especially in the case of Carmella who has really worked her ass off to improve and has come along nicely. However, if they had somebody like Torrie Wilson & Stacey Kiebler, I believe they would really invest in them as wrestlers and they would be featured before a lot of these other women's wrestlers. Maybe they would bomb, but like Lana & Eva Marie, they would get first dibs.

Michelle McCool vs Charlotte is still my dream match.
McCool would be great

Mar 17, 2018 0:55:25 GMT Big Pete said:

Mar 16, 2018 20:42:12 GMT dex said:

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The only  Torrie/Stacy model type blond that WWE is currently pushing is Alexa.  Women with different body types and looks (Asuka, Nia, Charlotte) are currently the top babyfaces of the women's division, women like Mandy and Lana are basically jobbers. Molly would be fine.



Also Chyna would not have done that well in today's WWE her mic skills were poor, and her matches against women were not that great.  Victoria also would not do well.  Her work was always very clunky and telegraphed.   

If the WWE had their way, Lana would have been the face of the division. However, her push bombed hard and the WWE came to their senses. I also gave you the example of Eva Marie who would have been pushed above a lot of the other girls if it wasn't for her personal problems. Initially she was the centre-piece of the SD Women's Division until Alexa killed it on Talking Smack. As far as Mandy goes, she's a case of being called up because they had an idea to do a woman's Rumble. It's clear she was just another body and they've already got their story in Ronda & Nia/Alexa.

As much as the WWE likes to pretend they've progressed, old habits die hard. At some point, Carmella is going to win a championship from either of those women and we'll be back to those diva days. I don't believe there's anything necessarily wrong with that either, especially in the case of Carmella who has really worked her ass off to improve and has come along nicely. However, if they had somebody like Torrie Wilson & Stacey Kiebler, I believe they would really invest in them as wrestlers and they would be featured before a lot of these other women's wrestlers. Maybe they would bomb, but like Lana & Eva Marie, they would get first dibs.

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Lana was a filler feud for Naomi while the rest of the division was caught up in the MITB match. She had one competitive championship ppv match in which she was in control for the majority of ( as every heel is in the WWE style), and then lost to Naomi in record time their next two encounters. She didn't even get the title match out of merit the storyline was that she annoyed Naomi to the point that she gave her a title shot. After that short mini-feud with Naomi in which she lost every match and tapped out twice to a wrestler who is pretty different to the Torrie/Stacy type, she's basically been irrelevant outside of the mixed tag tourney.

Eva was never booked seriously as a wrestler on the main roster and was always more of a meme than a serious competitor. Even in NXT where she was a slightly more serious wrestler she only beat jobbers and lost decisively to Bayley again someone who does not match the Torrue/Stacy mold at all.    

Carmella who you assume is going to win the title from Charlotte or Asuka, has literally done nothing since James Elsworth left.  She's been off Smackdown more times than she's appeared on it I'm pretty sure, in the past year or so. Hardly a sign that she is going to be pushed to the moon anytime soon. 

Asuka, on the other hand, has prominently featured on WWE programming ever since she signed. On the main roster she's beaten everyone she's faced obviously, even making one of WWE's other golden girls Alexa tap out  Her booking has been far stronger than the likes of Eva, Lana,  and Carmella combined.

i fail to see a scenario where WWE would currently push someone like Lana over  a prime Molly Holly. Molly Holly  is basically Bayley with a more conventionally  marketable look, and much better mic skills. 

I don't think they would necessarily push Lana, but I do believe Stacey Kiebler & Torrie Wilson would be preferred over her.

If the WWE had their way, Lana and Eva Marie would be bigger stars. Lana was supposed to take off in 2015, but the Rusev-Ziggler storyline was so awful that they got cold feet. It didn't help that Lana & Rusev actually got engaged mid-way through the angle and were very public about it. In any other business it would be fine, but in Pro Wrestling where your public life becomes your professional life it really set her back.

The WWE wanted Eva Marie desperately to be their next break-out star and were willing to do anything to make it happen. Yes, it ultimately translated into a 'meme' but if the WWE had their way and Eva Marie hadn't gotten in so much trouble she would have been one of the top stars of SmackDown.

I see the similarities between Molly and Bayley, but I don't think Molly could pull off the Bayley gimmick as well as her. I think she would have been thrown into the workhorse role, much like she was during her illustrious time with the company.

One that hasn't been mentioned is Gail Kim. Although she got even better during the late 2000s, even her 2003-2004 skill level would have been a great addition to today's division.

An interesting thing about having Ivory around would be the mic/character work. That still something that I feel is missing in today's era. Could have something to do with today's writing though - Bayley and Sasha are charismatic and have star power but never have standout promos/segments.

Mar 17, 2018 1:02:01 GMT Mistress said:

Michelle McCool vs Charlotte is still my dream match.
McCool would be great

Although not really from the 'golden era', Michelle McCool is a good pick.  She really made the most of her match opportunities, and that was with constraints for women. 

Mar 16, 2018 6:57:08 GMT dex said:

Mar 16, 2018 5:51:03 GMT @admin said:

Both suggestions so far would be fantastic, but if I had to choose one I'd pick Jazz too. If I could pick one dream match to see out of this scenario it would be Jazz vs Sasha. I could definitely see Molly being a great asset for girls like Sonya and Mandy to work with though.

To bring up one of my own, I think Melina would really benefit from the extra freedom the women are afforded now. She was always one of the most creative wrestlers.

I'm curious how you feel  Trish would do in the current era HR? 


Like I said I'm a little mixed, she looked great in the little interactions she had in the royal rumble, but that's different from an actual match. I'm really curious how she would have meshed with someone like Asuka for example.    

One knock against Trish is that her matches were rather simple in some aspects without the counters and more advanced spots you see in today's matches for the most part. 

I don't see how it wouldn't be anything but a huge success. Maybe you've got a reasonable point there at the end but I don't see that being a particularly big barrier. Trish was always a reasonably snug worker who had some good looking strikes, which is a style we've seen come to the forefront in recent years. She was a more advanced wrestler than Alexa who's been the champion for a year so...

What the fuck!? Victoria wasn't clunky. I want evidence.