I watched 2-4 back to back in preparation to see Scream 5 in theatres until I ended up doing the job to Omicron.


Scream 1:
Absolute classic.

Scream 2:
More of the same. Always used to confuse me in shows that people who were meant to be young looked 30+ so I’m glad they referenced it in this franchise.

Scream 3:
Yet again, same joke over and over falls flat. It’s interesting how Hollywood spits most of these actors out, they were all decent names at one point and now you don’t see any of them.

Scream 4:
Was ok, not the type of franchise to marathon back to back because it’s the same concept over and over (and I’ve been watching MCU films).

Rewatched the Spooder-Man since the DVD leaked. Even better on second watch. One of the best films Marvel has done and a great twist on superhero films that really captures who Spider-Man is. Gonna miss this cast when they are recast.

Scream, is a masterpiece. An absolute classic.

The second not so much, the third... well, the best thing about the third is the awesome very-2000 OST. The forth, forgettable.

Scream 1 & 2 are masterpieces.

Scream 3 is probably the weakest of the series. Weakest opening scene and weakest killer and they also lost their comedy/horror balance for too much at a time. And most of the new cast were terrible aside from Posey. And the supernatural/visions stuff just should have been cut completely.

I think it's commentary on the gross Hollywood scene and how women were essentially being forced to have sex with producers in order to land roles was great and way ahead of its time in terms of calling out scum like this. They essentially put Harvey Weinstein on screen years before he was outed and in a franchise founded my Miramax. Brilliant. Also Piper Posey again is great and steals most of the movie. Dewey and Gail at their true peak. It has it's place in the franchise for sure and deserves credit for the things it did get right.


Scream 4 is one I went back to and found a whole lot more respect for. The way they again were ahead of the time in commenting on peoples need for internet fame and going viral with Jill was excellent and coming right around the corner. Jill as a killer kind of fell flat for me the first time but she deserves credit and her reveal scene and truly beating the shit out herself was awesome and deranged. I'd definitely say she has a legit argument to be the 3rd or 4th best killer in the franchise. Plus Sidney is a badass and Kirby is a great character

A movie with some flaws , not as glaring as Scream 3 but the ending in the hospital felt a little forced but overall even though I have it #4 on my official Scream rankings behind 1 , 2 and 2022 - it's still a good movie and overlooked within the franchise by oldhats.

My rankings would be the same as UT. UT hit the beats I would use as well. The meta commentary is always ahead of its time and the films are great murder mysteries. IMO the biggest seller is they are simply fun popcorn films that never disappoint. Five in now and not a single real flop.

Also overlooked a lot is how damn good the sountracks are for these films. Scream had Sister Machine Gun, Scream 2 DJ Spooky mixing Nick Cave, Scream 3 was like a who's who of metal in that era, and Scream 4 does fun indy rock.

The murder mystery aspect is what actually sets them apart from 99% of horror franchises.

Spot on about the music too, each movie has a soundtrack truly evocative of its time for better or worse. Even the new one rightly sounds like an iTunes playlist because that’s just where music is today.

Yeah, I am not really a slasher fan, but the mystery part of these makes them interesting. One thing that made the original wave of slashers so great was the final twists with the killer. Bates was talking to his dead mom. Jason's mom was the killer. Angela is dead, and Peter takes her place. There was always some payoff with who the killer was or why they were killing. Then slashers moved to the shape killer, ala Halloween. The unstoppable supernatural killer works for Myers, but often fails miserable outside of that mythos and leads to shallow films. Or we a million variants on Krug, a crazy backwoods psychopath who kills because it is fun. Again was great for Krug, but gets old fast because the plots do not have to make sense if your killer is crazy.

Scream got around this by not using the shape or a crazy person at all. Their killers are normal people with actual motivations. Sure the motivations can be shallow at times, but this is really what separates them from the other slashers that are a dime a dozen.

Well it makes them real , fact of the matter is that no matter how much people like to glamorize them - real serial killers often come with shallow motivations as well.

Myers wasn’t originally meant to be supernatural at all. He just killed because he was born evil and enjoyed it. The sequels as much as I do love them fucked around with that original mythology way too much.

I love Slashers. The bad ones can be fun and the good ones are typically great and find an important voice within movies and society.

While original Scream is an all-time classic, I found enjoyment in all the follow-ups. In fact I wouldn't say I was bored or annoyed by any of them. I have different tastes than most of you though. Scream is probably a top 10 film for me, and the opening is that Owen/Bret territory that few will ever touch. Probably won't see 5 for a good minute but if I had to, yeah Scream is my #1 horror franchise alongside Saw. It does help that they haven't reached the teens as far as #s go unlike the big 3.

Actually, Myers was meant to be The Shape entirely. Carpenter's talked about this. He was called the Shape in the credits because he was no longer a man, but the Shape that lurked in the darkness. The back and forth as to whether or not to go with the human who loves to kill and is very good at it versus the Shape that comes from you in darkness kind of is what really hurts the mythos. Should have picked one and went hard on it.

I would prefer to see after Halloween Ends they finally split the two stories into their own series. When the inevitable reboot comes, make it Myers the human with no supernatural shit. Myers is just Anton from No Country for Old Men. He likes to kill, and is extremely good at it.

Then do a second story on the Shape, the unexplained supernatural thing that lurks in the shadows taking people when they least expect it. Call it Halloween: The Shape and start it as a side series. I know the Shape story is something a few horror teams, including Radio Silence, really want to tackle since it has never been the focus outside of the original script.

Really curious if they test run Halloween Ends as rumor is there are scenes that the fan community will not be pleased with as it contradicts fan theories about what Myers should be. Widely believed that it will be Myers talking with Laurie before he dies explaining why he kills.

Jan 22, 2022 19:15:05 GMT @ness said:

While original Scream is an all-time classic, I found enjoyment in all the follow-ups. In fact I wouldn't say I was bored or annoyed by any of them. I have different tastes than most of you though. Scream is probably a top 10 film for me, and the opening is that Owen/Bret territory that few will ever touch. Probably won't see 5 for a good minute but if I had to, yeah Scream is my #1 horror franchise alongside Saw. It does help that they haven't reached the teens as far as #s go unlike the big 3.

Yeah even the worst Scream was never boring.  And def check out 5 when you get the chance.  It was very good with a ton of call backs that either are done super well, or easter eggs.  Pretty much was a love letter to Wes Craven.

Jan 22, 2022 19:27:47 GMT c said:

Actually, Myers was meant to be The Shape entirely. Carpenter's talked about this. He was called the Shape in the credits because he was no longer a man, but the Shape that lurked in the darkness. The back and forth as to whether or not to go with the human who loves to kill and is very good at it versus the Shape that comes from you in darkness kind of is what really hurts the mythos. Should have picked one and went hard on it.

I would prefer to see after Halloween Ends they finally split the two stories into their own series. When the inevitable reboot comes, make it Myers the human with no supernatural shit. Myers is just Anton from No Country for Old Men. He likes to kill, and is extremely good at it.

Then do a second story on the Shape, the unexplained supernatural thing that lurks in the shadows taking people when they least expect it. Call it Halloween: The Shape and start it as a side series. I know the Shape story is something a few horror teams, including Radio Silence, really want to tackle since it has never been the focus outside of the original script.

Really curious if they test run Halloween Ends as rumor is there are scenes that the fan community will not be pleased with as it contradicts fan theories about what Myers should be. Widely believed that it will be Myers talking with Laurie before he dies explaining why he kills.

Technically speaking Carpenter didn't want the audiences to know whether he was human or supernatural. He was the boogeyman incarnate and interpretation was pretty much up to the audience through the whole movie (until he survived the 5 shots at the end) was that he was human - because that was how he was presented. 

I liked Halloween Kills but the shit at the end where they are trying to go "the more he kills the stronger he gets" shit is going to be annoying. 

The Matrix Resurrections


**SPOILERS**

I started out loving this movie and by the end I was confused and let down. The first half hour-ish is fucking amazing. Great concept, great callbacks, the White Rabbit montage. All excellent. I was so jacked. Like “yes, they nailed it!”

Then they leaned on the flashbacks and fan service way too hard, the story got way too convoluted, the action and fight sequences were meh (until the final one, I did love the swarm fight at the end), and it felt like they shoved a good 30-40 minutes of movie in that could have been cut because it didn’t really affect the story.

Then the ending. I…like I don’t understand. Trinity just changes her mind for like no reason? Are we to believe she’s The One and was all along? Or is it both of them? The movie just kind of ends. Then they had an awful cover of RATM Wake Up to really drive it home.

I dunno. I won’t watch it again but it was fun to watch. I didn’t hate it I just expected more, I guess.

EDIT: oh and also, why wasn’t Hugo Weaving in this movie!? Lawrence Fishburne I get (OG Morpheus is dead) but Agent Smith could have materialized at the end. I would have gone CRAZY if that douchey boss guy morphed into Hugo Weaving for the last scene. Missed opportunity there.

Jan 22, 2022 20:49:59 GMT UT said:

Jan 22, 2022 19:27:47 GMT c said:

Actually, Myers was meant to be The Shape entirely. Carpenter's talked about this. He was called the Shape in the credits because he was no longer a man, but the Shape that lurked in the darkness. The back and forth as to whether or not to go with the human who loves to kill and is very good at it versus the Shape that comes from you in darkness kind of is what really hurts the mythos. Should have picked one and went hard on it.

I would prefer to see after Halloween Ends they finally split the two stories into their own series. When the inevitable reboot comes, make it Myers the human with no supernatural shit. Myers is just Anton from No Country for Old Men. He likes to kill, and is extremely good at it.

Then do a second story on the Shape, the unexplained supernatural thing that lurks in the shadows taking people when they least expect it. Call it Halloween: The Shape and start it as a side series. I know the Shape story is something a few horror teams, including Radio Silence, really want to tackle since it has never been the focus outside of the original script.

Really curious if they test run Halloween Ends as rumor is there are scenes that the fan community will not be pleased with as it contradicts fan theories about what Myers should be. Widely believed that it will be Myers talking with Laurie before he dies explaining why he kills.

Technically speaking Carpenter didn't want the audiences to know whether he was human or supernatural. He was the boogeyman incarnate and interpretation was pretty much up to the audience through the whole movie (until he survived the 5 shots at the end) was that he was human - because that was how he was presented. 

I liked Halloween Kills but the shit at the end where they are trying to go "the more he kills the stronger he gets" shit is going to be annoying. 

I liked the end of Halloween Kills.  But I took it as no matter what they put against him he will overcome it.  He is an unstoppable force that you cannot use force against and expect to beat.  

Here is the quote:

Laurie Strode: I always thought Michael Myers was flesh and blood, just like you and me, but a mortal man could not have survived what he's lived through. The more he kills, the more he transcends into something else impossible to defeat. Fear. People are afraid. That is the true curse of Michael.



Allyson: He'll always be here, won't he? Even when we can't see him.



Laurie Strode: You can't defeat it with brute force.



Officer Hawkins: If we only knew then what we know now.



Laurie Strode: It is the essence of evil. The anchor that divides us. It is the terror that grows stronger when we try to hide. If they don't stop him tonight, maybe we'll find him tomorrow. Or next Halloween, when the sun sets and someone is alone. You can't close your eyes and pretend he isn't there. Because he is.

For me this is more that the more he kills the more fear he inspires.  Also they are implying as he kills he turns more into the Shape.  But I think this is where they want to end this.  Myers is defeated, but the "Shape" is not and continues to haunt people at night.  And this is what gets unstoppable, the legend of the things in the shadows.  Not a fan of him becoming the Shape, as they should be separate, but will wait to see what the third movie brings before assuming one way or another.  

That said this does not bode well for the end of the saga, as if they cannot beat him with force, they could do the super lame beat him with compassion, which is the one thing no one tried.  Hollywood loves this shit for trilogy ends.

Jan 22, 2022 21:02:10 GMT RT said:

The Matrix Resurrections

EDIT: oh and also, why wasn’t Hugo Weaving in this movie!? Lawrence Fishburne I get (OG Morpheus is dead) but Agent Smith could have materialized at the end. I would have gone CRAZY if that douchey boss guy morphed into Hugo Weaving for the last scene. Missed opportunity there.

My favorite take is that like Fishburne he read the script before deciding to commit...

No one has tried it in this timeline but in Halloween IV his niece tries and while it stops him for half a second it ultimately does nothing.

It’s the beauty and the chaos of Halloween. Choose your own adventure. I’ll always be a fan of the originals more than anything but every one besides 3 , 6 and the Zombie shitshows are great - watchable.

Yeah, love the diverging paths in the timeline. Wish more studios would consider it.

The only Halloween movie that I didn't really like was the one with the cult. Just goofy shit and I think the last we saw of Loomis... just weird with two separate cuts to the ending. I still think the quality holds up better than Freddy or Jason though.

I might have to do my own personalized countdown of all the big four slashers.

Should do general slashers to make it more interesting Can see if any of the big films can rival the epicness that is Pieces

Jan 23, 2022 15:58:14 GMT UT said:

I might have to do my own personalized countdown of all the big four slashers.

No need Freddy over EVERYONE! his 1-lines are epic.

Jan 24, 2022 22:24:34 GMT Ed said:

Jan 23, 2022 15:58:14 GMT UT said:

I might have to do my own personalized countdown of all the big four slashers.

No need Freddy over EVERYONE! his 1-lines are epic.

I meant movies in general. And his one liners ruined him.

Jan 24, 2022 22:25:38 GMT UT said:

Jan 24, 2022 22:24:34 GMT Ed said:

No need Freddy over EVERYONE! his 1-lines are epic.

I meant movies in general. And his one-liners ruined him.

I just think he has the personality to go with the gore. That's why I love F.K.

Jan 24, 2022 22:25:38 GMT UT said:

Jan 24, 2022 22:24:34 GMT Ed said:

No need Freddy over EVERYONE! his 1-lines are epic.

I meant movies in general. And his one liners ruined him.

Welcome to primetime Bitch!

Jan 24, 2022 22:29:46 GMT Ed said:

Jan 24, 2022 22:25:38 GMT UT said:

I meant movies in general. And his one-liners ruined him.

I just think he has the personality to go with the gore. That's why I love F.K.

Nah they went to far with it. He was great in the original , the third started the trend and the fourth just completely shit the bed with the character.

He was a child murderer and later revealed to be a child rapist. He shouldn’t be likable. He should have never became and MTV icon.

Jan 24, 2022 22:37:25 GMT UT said:

Jan 24, 2022 22:29:46 GMT Ed said:

I just think he has the personality to go with the gore. That's why I love F.K.

Nah they went too far with it. He was great in the original, the third started the trend and the fourth just completely shit the bed with the character.

He was a child murderer and later revealed to be a child rapist. He shouldn’t be likable. He should have never become an MTV icon.

I haven't watched it in a while. I knew he was an asshole but, an MTV icon? I had no idea.

Jan 24, 2022 22:43:41 GMT Ed said:

Jan 24, 2022 22:37:25 GMT UT said:

Nah they went too far with it. He was great in the original, the third started the trend and the fourth just completely shit the bed with the character.

He was a child murderer and later revealed to be a child rapist. He shouldn’t be likable. He should have never become an MTV icon.

I haven't watched it in a while. I knew he was an asshole but, an MTV icon? I had no idea.

At his peak , right around 3 & 4 he was probably the most popular horror character ever and showing up all over talk shows and music videos and people love him. Which is fine I suppose - but it diminishes his actual value as a horror character IMO. I own horror memorabilia from all of them , I get it , but they turned Freddy into a punchline with razor fingers.

5 tried to get it back and went dark again but most of that came opposite Freddy. And even though I ride for Freddys dead in a campy way - it’s egregious with the marketing of Freddy.

1 , 2 and New Nightmare are the best Freddy has ever been. The rest he’s just Bill Cosby with a murder glove.

And that’s why he will always be the last of the big three for me. They may not have the personality but at least they truly lose that aura about them.

I'll rewatch it eventually but I remember Freddy always having smart ass remarks for his victims.

Jan 24, 2022 23:00:03 GMT Ed said:

I'll rewatch it eventually but I remember Freddy always having smart ass remarks for his victims.

He did , even in the originals but it was always with menace and horror. Not comedy. He didn’t play the character solely for laughs.

I’m Your Boyfriend Now Nancy from the original is a one liner but it also makes your skin crawl.

Welcome to Primetime Bitch was played purely for laughs.

Jan 24, 2022 23:08:38 GMT UT said:

Jan 24, 2022 23:00:03 GMT Ed said:

I'll rewatch it eventually but I remember Freddy always having smart ass remarks for his victims.

He did, even in the originals but it was always with menace and horror. Not comedy. He didn’t play the character solely for laughs.

I’m Your Boyfriend Now Nancy from the original is a one-liner but it also makes your skin crawl.

Welcome to Primetime Bitch was played purely for laughs.

My favorite line of the franchise. :lol: He knew how to get under people's skin.