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Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit That's that real shit right there. Post about old school football games, players, seasons, whatever you want right here. I watch and read about way too much old school football history. I need a place to spew the shit that comes to my brain so I figured I'd start this thread for anything that doesn't necessarily need it's own thread. 

Caught an excellent NFL Films Lost Treasures episode on Youtube last night as a matter of fact, outstanding: 



The violence... 

Nice to have this thread back. The memories are endless when it comes to these old films.

And it's amazing what all is on Youtube at the moment. NFL has apparently stopped trying to enforce any copyright restrictions on Youtube(as far as old stuff goes).

Also I watched A Football Life episodes on Emmitt Smith and Dan Marino. Good stuff. The Emmitt episode was especially good. I liked that they covered his last year with the Cardinals instead of glossing over it, he actually had one hell of a year that year but nobody really knew about it because it was with the Cardinals and his 2003 season looked like he was done. I actually worked with some guys that went to the Cowboys vs Cardinals game in 2003 that they talk about on the show, I remember them telling me about how everybody was booing him and he was in tears at one point on the sidelines. It's like wow, ya'll booed a motherfucker that carried you on his back to Super Bowls for real? Sounds about right, fuck the Cowboys and their fans.

Speaking of A Football Life, I watched the one on John Madden on Friday Night. Young folks should watch this one. He is more than just a name in a video game.

Madden's Raider teams were my all-time favorites. Lot of different unique characters, took no prisoners, and played the game with a reckless abandonment, and a will to win. As well, he and Pat Summerall was, is, and will always be the gold standard of NFL broadcasting. Those two just go together like milk and cookies.

Yeah I seen a preview and that looked good. Hopefully they put it on NFL Game Pass soon. The Pat Summerall episode was lovely. Those two will always be the GOAT football announcers to me, that's just football, Madden and Summerall.

Also recently watched the NFL Timeline episode on the Greatest Show on Turf Rams, that was great.

Just finished the Sam Mills episode of A Football Life on Game Pass, outstanding episode, easily one of the best in the series. Real tear jerker.

This reminded me of how hyped I was for the Cowboys vs Panthers playoff game in 96, I was cheering for the Panthers in that game and they really smacked them in the mouth, thoroughly enjoyed every second of it. I seen that game on Youtube a while back I need to watch it again sometime. 

I was in a football mood tonight so I loaded up a random game on Youtube, Cowboys at Redskins from 1984, Joe Gibbs vs Tom Landry. Another great performance by Riggins and the Hogs running all over this Dallas defense, huge holes blown open by the Hogs, Riggins was a bad ass.

1984 commercials are pretty hilarious too. 

Watched the Joe Gibbs episode of A Football Life on NFL Game Pass recently, pretty lame episode really. My main gripe with this series is that the episodes are only an hour long(44 minutes plus commercials) and they spend too much of that time covering stuff outside of football. This is cool when you do an episode on somebody like Larry Fitzgerald or Sam Mills, somebody with an interesting story, but I mean they completely glossed over Gibbs 2005 and 2007 seasons to spend a lot of time talking about his Nascar stuff and his bland family history. What a waste. This should have been way better. 

Just watched the NFL Timeline episode on the 1991 Atlanta Falcons, "2 Legit 2 Quit". This was a team that needed a documentary, I'm glad they made one, and it was really really good.

I had a friend in 5th grade that was a huge Falcons fan, this was the 1995 season and they were actually pretty good that year, this was when they had Ironhead Heyward and Eric Metcalf with Jeff George at QB. They ended up losing to Favre in the wild card playoffs if I remember correctly, they never brought this up in the documentary but they probably should have. I wonder how far that 95 Falcons team could have made it if they kept Deion and Rison. What a major gaffe trading Favre in favor of Billy Joe Tolliver and Chris Miller though, Jerry Glanville was an absolute bozo the clown of a head coach. 

Oh and also found this:

Merry Christmas, ho ho ho, the 1994 AFC Divisional Playoff game Miami Dolphins @ San Diego Chargers, I haven't seen it since it happened when I was like 10 but I remember this being a spectacular game. Lets see how it holds up 22 years later. This was Marino's best shot at returning to the Super Bowl as the AFC was wide open that year, had the Dolphins won this one I think they had a pretty good shot at beating Pittsburgh that next week. Just wasn't meant to be though.

Just watched the Dolphins vs Chargers 94 playoff game, yeah that was a good one. Dolphins looked like they were going to roll through the Chargers, they went up 21-6 at halftime. Second half was a completely different game though, San Diego's defense completely shuts Miami down and San Diego was able to keep Marino off the field for most of the half, I'd love to know what the time of possession was in the second half because Miami's offense was barely on the field. San Diego was down 21-15 and drove down the field to take the lead with a touchdown in the final minute. Marino gets the ball back with like 50 seconds and puts Miami in position to win it with a field goal but the holder botches the spot and it's wide right. Brutal look on Marino's face as he's walking off of the field for this one, he didn't know it at the time but this was his last real chance to get back to the Super Bowl. Damn good game.

It's a shame that San Diego laid down in that Super Bowl vs San Francisco, that was a pretty great little playoff run they put together that year. 

Just watched the 1994 AFC Championship Game with the San Diego Chargers going into Pittsburgh and knocking off the #1 seed Steelers in their own house in one of the biggest playoff upsets in NFL history.

I know the general consensus is that Super Bowl XXIX would have been a little better/more competitive had Marino's Dolphins or the Steelers made it to play San Francisco but after watching the Chargers 2 playoff games I got to second guess that theory, this Chargers team was a really strong power offense with Courtney Hall one of the best Centers in the league at the time, Alfred Pupuno was a really good big strong tight end that they used very well in both of these games, and Natron Means I never realized just how big the dude was, he was really fast but just massive and strong power back. And then on the defensive side of the ball they had some excellent talent as well, Leslie O'Neil was a beast, Rodney Harrison was young and solid, and Junior Seau was really one of the best players of any position in NFL history. This Chargers defense really put on one hell of a performance in the second half of the Miami game and also the second half of this Pittsburgh game shutting down their power running game. After watching this playoff run I'm convinced that Super Bowl XXIX would have been an even bigger squash blowout had Pittsburgh or Miami made it.

It's really crazy that this Chargers team was able to come back from a 13-3 deficit in the second half against this Steelers defense on the road in Pittsburgh, we're talking a defense that had Greg Lloyd, Rod Woodson, Kevin Greene. Pupuno had a phenomenal game, huge 43 yard touchdown catch was the turning point of the game. Down 17-13 the Steelers had a chance to win it, they drove all the way down to the 5 yard line with 1 minute left but Neal O'Donnell couldn't punch it in on 4th down, the pass was batted down, brutal loss for Pittsburgh, HUGE upset. Nobody gave San Diego a chance in this one.

And I've loaded up Super Bowl XXIX on NFL Game Pass, I'm into the 2nd quarter now. I think the Chargers were just caught up in all the lights and pageantry and were in over their heads in this game, San Francisco drives down the field with a long touchdown to Jerry Rice in like the 3rd play of their first possession. They end up going up 14-0 on their next drive but the Chargers were able to get that power running game going to cut it to 14-7. This 49ers team was so stacked with talent it was almost not even fair, it was almost like the Chargers were playing the NFC Pro Bowl team or the NFL All Pro team or something, Rice, Deion, Young, Waters, Ken Norton, and how underrated was John Taylor, holy hell what a team.

I don't know. If Blitzburgh would've faced San Fran, I think it would've been closer. That D was devastating. The Niners would definitely not score 49 on them, maybe 27 at most. But, when you have Neil O'Donnell at QB, Barry Foster at RB, and Yancy Thigpen as your top receiver, you're not gonna win the Super Bowl.

If they were playing the Super Bowl, it's be Niners 27, Steelers 6.

We will never know, you would think Pittsburgh would have been a better matchup but then again look how they folded against San Diego, if Greene, Lloyd, Woodson et al let Stan Humphries burn them the way he did with that winning touchdown pass just imagine what Steve Young would have done to them.

I'm leaning towards Miami going into Pittsburgh and knocking them off too if they make that final field goal in San Diego. On paper, Dan Marino vs Deion Sanders showdown in Super Bowl XXIX would have been fun to see go down.

Just finished Super Bowl XXIX, wow what a smashing. I really think the biggest factor in this game was the experience. These 49ers had been in so many big games before, some of these guys were in Super Bowls with the Montana years a few years prior to this, while this was all new to San Diego and they got caught up in it like deer in the headlights. Steve Young was in the fucking zone unlike anything I've ever seen before, this team had been in big games like this before but they were also super hungry and wanted it really bad. None of those AFC teams stood a chance agianst San Francisco in this game. 

Edit: fun fact, I seen on the 1992 San Francisco 49ers team yearbook a while back, at the end of it they show Peter King making his prediction for the 1993 Super Bowl he predicted San Fran would blow out San Diego, he was off by 1 year. 

Caught the Houston Oilers vs New Orleans Saints season opener from 1993 this morning, Dome Patrol vs Buddy Ryan's 46. Dome Patrol was in rare form in this game and delivers a beat down on Warren Moon that he took about 4-5 weeks to recover from. The run and shoot was truly dead going into the 1993 season, incredibly dumb that they tried to hang on to that system going into that season, the defenses of the NFL had it figured out to a T, it was one of the big things that Buddy Ryan clashed with the Oilers coaching staff about. You seen what happens when you play a linebacker corp like the Dome Patrol without a tight end on your roster here in this game; disaster.  

Saints ended up going 5-0 to start the season with wins over playoff teams in Houston, Detroit, and San Francisco, their offense fell apart down the stretch and they end up losing Sam Mills for 7 games due to injury, ended up going 3-8 in their last 11 games finishing 8-8 and missing the playoffs. For the Oilers it was the other way around, they started off 1-4 and then won out their last 11 games to finish 12-4, one of the most awesome teams ever. I believe they would have won the Super Bowl that year if they hired Buddy Ryan as head coach instead of defensive coordinator. 

The resilient 1994 San Diego Chargers keep fighting their way into my Youtube recommendations just like they kept fighting their way back into games that year, including this game I just watched where they went into Kansas City and beat the Joe Montana Chiefs in Arrowhead. This was week 11 of the 1994 season and a huge game for control of the AFC West as KC was 6-3 and San Diego was 7-2 with a win over the Chiefs in San Diego earlier in the year.

Montana has a pretty bad game here, still the Chargers just have a terrible first half much like they did in that playoff game against Miami and Pittsburgh, they fall to 13-0 at halftime but they fight back late in the game, Humphries completes some huge passes and they take a 14-13 lead. Montana almost brings the Chiefs back, he completes a great clutch pass that puts KC in position to win it with a field goal but they couldn't spike the ball in time and the clock ran out on them. Good defensive game with a lot of legends.

Also, the more things change...

*John Facenda voice* 50 years ago today real fucking men played a real fucking football game, The Ice Bowl. This really was one of the best NFL games of all time, the fucking field was frozen solid like concrete, temperature was −15 °F (−26 °C), wind chill around −48 °F (−44 °C). One of the fans in the crowd actually died from exposure at one point during the game, this was how cold it was. This was serious life or death football, this was not a Tony Romo school girl commentary group end zone celebration football game, this was a man's man's game by god. No other sport can compare to a game like this. 1960's was the best decade for pro football.

It is going to be fucking freezing here next week, tomorrow the high is 33 degrees! I plan on huddling up around some coffee and watching the NFL Timeline episode they just put out about the game, I may watch the full game if I can find it. The "NFL Greatest Games" documentary they made about it a long time ago is extremely good, I usually watch it around this time of year for inspiration when it gets freezing cold around here(and I have to work in it). 

If I would have thought about it earlier I would have taken a trip today down the road to Don Meredith's hometown where they have a Don Meredith museum. I went there about 10 years ago when we built a bank there(about 30 minutes from where I live now), it was pretty cool but really they don't have much in there just a couple of items and pictures. 

Dude, it's fucking 17 degrees right now, the high today is 30, I've got to get some work done on this house I'm working on, absolutely have to, no choice. For inspiration I've got the NFL Timeline episode about the Ice Bowl loaded up right now. This was directed by Don Meredith's son and he did a fantastic job focusing on how this game haunted his father. This is the best episode of Timeline.

I wonder how much Don Meredith's legacy would've changed if the Cowboys won that game. I think Dallas would've won that year's Super Bowl. And maybe Lombardi would've came back in '68 to try and win the rubber match.

Jan 2, 2018 21:19:56 GMT CM Punk'd said:

I wonder how much Don Meredith's legacy would've changed if the Cowboys won that game. I think Dallas would've won that year's Super Bowl. And maybe Lombardi would've came back in '68 to try and win the rubber match.

It is interesting to think about the what ifs, I mean the 66 Championship Dallas was so close, wrong personnel got sent in and Bob Hayes missed a huge block that led to Meredith being sacked and his pass being intercepted in the end zone. Then the Ice Bowl, Dallas was winning with Green Bay faced with a 67 yard drive on a frozen field that was hard to move the ball on all day, they just couldn't hold them. So it came down to 2 plays, it was very close to the Cowboys being the NFL team in the first 2 Super Bowls. 

I think if things went Dallas' way in those 2 plays there was a pretty strong chance that the AFL would have won out all 4 of the first Super Bowls. Dallas had a huge knack for losing the big games, even in the years after the Ice Bowl. In 1968 Meredith's last year they had the best offense in the NFL and finished 12-2, but lost a big upset to Cleveland in the playoffs. Again in 1969 they finished 11-2-1 and got upset at home against Cleveland 38-14, then there was the Blunder Bowl they lost against Baltimore in Super Bowl V in 1970 season. Maybe all of that started with the losses in those 2 NFL Championship Games though, I just don't think Dallas would have handled the compounded pressure of Super Bowl I and II as well as Green Bay did. On paper the 66 Chiefs defense matches up well with that Cowboys offense, and I like the 67 Raiders chances against that Dallas squad from that year, I believe Super Bowl II probably would have been a much closer more competitive game than Oakland vs Green Bay was. No way to know for sure though, pure speculation, maybe we'd have the Tom Landry Trophy instead of the Vince Lombardi Trophy. 

Maybe the Lombardi Trophy would've been known as the George Halas Trophy had the results of those games changed.

Tough to say, I know Meredith was one tough bastard though, probably one of the physically toughest players in NFL history. I can't remember the specifics of the story but I remember reading about a Cowboys vs Redskins game where he pulled off a comeback with broken ribs and a collapsed lung or something. He took a real beating playing in one of the toughest eras to be a quarterback in the NFL.

I figured I would share this with my old school football bros, I started an AFL revision history project over on another fan fiction forum. In real life Al Davis was the commissioner of the AFL when the merger started to happen, there were actually secret meetings between AFL and NFL taking place behind Al Davis' back, they just kind of sprung it on him out of nowhere. The terms that the AFL agreed upon for the merger with NFL pissed Al Davis off so bad that he either stepped down as league commissioner or was relieved of his duties. Davis was firmly against the merger so in my revision history project I asked the question what if the AFL stuck with Al Davis and let him have a bigger influence on what they did in that crucial time?

The fiction of the project picks up with Joe Namath throwing down the trophy after Super Bowl III and breaking the news that the merger was off, some Shane Douglas NWA title stuff going on. Chiefs squash the Vikings as they did in real life Super Bowl IV, huge court battle between AFL vs NFL, AFL wins intellectual rights to the Super Bowl trademark and the two leagues continue battling separately(no NFL vs AFL in Super Bowl anymore, Super Bowl just becomes name of AFL Championship Game) on into the 1970's. AFL ends up stealing up all the top draft talent and gets the ABC Monday Night Football primetime slot and gradually becomes more popular than the NFL kinda like some Facebook/Myspace stuff going on. Eventually NFL makes some bad moves and ends up going out of business in February 1978, AFL buys the trademarks and tape library/NFL Films kinda some Vince Mcmahon stuff going on. Only 2 teams from the NFL are brought over to the AFL, there is a NFL veteran player allocation draft to disperse the NFL players among the 14 AFL teams, and it's off to the races. I'm about to simulate the 1982 season(I've been using modified rosters for NFL 2K5 some). I'm almost to the 1983 draft, which is where things will get good.

wrestlingclique.com/showthread.php?t=159373&page=3&p=2103865019&viewfull=1#post2103865019

I started this on that forum because I already had 2 fan fic projects going on PW at the time(UFC and ECW, RIP!)

I started my annual NFL Films Super Bowl movie marathon Monday night, this time I'm watching the accompanying regular season highlight films that come with each disc(I have the box set with 1 through 40 on DVD), haven't watched these in a while. I watched the first 3 so far, the regular season highlight films for 1966, 1967, and 1968 are so amazing, some of the best NFL Films has ever done. The footage of Gale Sayers running is solid gold, he really was literally like poetry in motion.

Definitely my favorite time of the year. I wish NFL Network would show more than just classic Super Bowls. During the offseason, especially.

Jan 25, 2018 15:38:24 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Definitely my favorite time of the year. I wish NFL Network would show more than just classic Super Bowls. During the offseason, especially.

I had NFL Network a few months ago when I had Sling TV, definitely not something worth paying for. I remember I had NFL Network back in 2004 when I had Dish and they played a lot of old school NFL films, I guess the channel was still new and they had no original programming, it's definitely something they've moved on from, good thing now with the internet you can put your own library of NFL Films stuff together and watch it whenever you want to. 

I've slowly but surely been making my way through the Super Bowl movies, I'm up to Super Bowl XIX now. I always get a kick out of Ella Mae Weatherwax from the Super Bowl V film and her little exchange with the douchebag looking for tickets, "Take a blimp ride!" :lol: 

The first 22 Super Bowls are interesting because almost all of them were huge blowouts, it really blows my mind how some of these great teams just completely laid an egg under the pressure and lost so badly, like the 66 Chiefs with all that talent how in the hell did they not put up a better game in Super Bowl I? No way they should have lost that game 35-10 but they did. 

And holy shit that 83 Raiders defense was unbelievable, Matt Millen, Lyle Alzado, Howie Long, Ted Hendricks, wow. After Washington scored their first touchdown there was a no-namer that just completely blows Joe Jacoby off the line of scrimmage to block the extra point, unbelievable, that team was on that night. 

Man Super Bowl XXIV was one of the biggest squash matches ever. I watched the full game a few years ago and it was like a little league football game where they call it early because the other team is so overmatched and getting beaten so bad. There was one point where Elway was ready to call it quits, Matt Millen the 49ers linebacker was actually trying to encourage him to keep his head up because he felt sorry for him.

On the other hand Super Bowl XXIII was easily the best Super Bowl played up to that point and still one of the all time greats. The backstory makes it even better as Paul Brown snubbed Bill Walsh on the Bengals coaching job, also tried to black ball him from getting a head coaching job around the league from what I've read. I wonder what Walsh must have done for Brown to be like that towards him, easily Brown's biggest mistake ever and one that cost his franchise dearly as Walsh took the Bengals out twice in Super Bowls.

Big annual event every year I watch the Super Bowl XXV highlight film, tonight I'll be watching it for the first time on my 55 inch 4K curve monster through the 4K blu ray player, which upscales even regular DVD's and makes the colors look sharper, really looking forward to it. Here is my schedule for the rest of this marathon: 

Mon- XXV
Teu- XXVI
Wed- XXVII
Thu- XXVIII
Fri- XXIX
Sat- XXX through XL
Sun- XLI through LI

I have 41 through 48 recorded off of NFL Now to a VHS tape, I have not been able to find a traditional highlight film for 49, 50, or 51, for all I know they never made one and have just discontinued making these traditional 22 minute highlight films for Super Bowls or no? Next year I may bite the bullet and upgrade to Blu Ray for these. 

Edit: Just checked and apparently they have yet to release a Super Bowl set on Blu Ray, last one they did was I through XLVI and it was DVD only, wow. 

The Hall of Fame has finally done the right thing and put Jerry Kramer in. Over 40 years overdue, but at least the man is still alive and can enjoy the moment with his family.




Another old school legend making the Hall is Robert Brazille, AKA "Dr Doom" from Bum Phillips's Oilers.    This guy was Lawrence Taylor before Lawrence Taylor.