Oh good we're rolling eyes now , maybe we can stomp our feet next.

At the bare minimum he has nothing to offer the position aside from check downs , he hasn't played well , he's played scared and ultra conservative throughout his career. He doesn't help the offense or the players around him at all. I would take McCown over him all day and Trubisky has question marks but at least there is room for him to grow and at the bare minimum both of them could check the ball down 23 times a game to the same success as Bradford.

And you also said the key words "when healthy" and as the old cliche goes: The best ability is availability. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point that even if Bradford was a competent quarterback (he's not) it wouldn't matter because he'd be lucky to play a whole season.

So no if I were building a team to play the 2018 season , and I had my pick of quarterbacks - Bradford wouldn't be in the Top 32. I doubt he'd be in the Top 40.

You ranked a guy that missed nearly the last two years Top-10. You’re not overly concerned with injury.

Clearly you wouldn’t include him; you have a list. I think it’s wrong. Oh well.

A freak injury that is 100% healed , not a history of multiple injuries and missed games every season.

And injuries aside , I still don't see what he has to offer from the quarterback position that the other guys don't. What have you seen from Bradford that suggests he deserves to be on this list?

Aug 25, 2018 15:25:46 GMT UT said:

A freak injury that is 100% healed , not a history of multiple injuries and missed games every season.

We’ll see, right?

Watson also now has two ACL tears at 23. Not a good pattern.

The point to me with Bradford is on the right team (defensive led, good run game), I’ll take a QB that won’t lose games. He probably won’t win many on his own, but he has a place.

He ain’t worth $20MM.

Fair point on Watson , and if he gets injured again then he'll drop. I've been a fan of his forever though.

And I don't see that same scenario for Bradford , he had that in Minnesota when he was setting completion percentage records and still only won seven games. He is part of the problem with running games because he refuses to try and make the defense pay for trying to play 8 in the box because everyone knows he isn't going deep. He won't lose games by turning the ball over but he will lose games by stagnating an offense to the point where the defense can easily gameplan to shut the entire thing down. Sam Bradford generally makes an offense worse just by being there.

He's never won more than seven games in his career. I don't think he's a game manager at this point and I would feel terrible about my teams prospects if Bradford was starting.

Eh, again, we’ll see. He’s on a cellar team this year anyways, so it won’t prove out either way (they’re going to be bottom of NFC West regardless - division too tough).

I will say I think the fact Bradford (to me) is a Top-32 QB is more indicative of how bad the majority of starting QBs are as opposed to a reflection of how good he is.

Yeah and I will always prefer to take the young guys where at least there is room for improvement over someone like Bradford where I know exactly what I'm getting and IMO is someone who will kill your offense and stunt the development of everyone around him.

Part of this list is a QB's prospect for the 2018 season. As Bradford is on a shitty team this year, that makes his prospects drop tremendously. If he were starting on a team with great pieces around him I would definitely have him in the top 32 but as of now, no.

Which is one of the main reasons I think Tyrod is ranked way too high. Cleveland is where QB's go to die.

Aug 27, 2018 0:27:17 GMT thereallt said:

Part of this list is a QB's prospect for the 2018 season. As Bradford is on a shitty team this year, that makes his prospects drop tremendously. If he were starting on a team with great pieces around him I would definitely have him in the top 32 but as of now, no.

Which is one of the main reasons I think Tyrod is ranked way too high. Cleveland is where QB's go to die.

You could argue the pieces surrounding him in Cleveland are better than he had in Buffalo last season and possibly ever.

Hey UT, not sure if you've heard this but Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to die.

To be fair, RealLT ain’t wrong. People are hoping Tyrod and/or Baker will be the answer(s), but until it’s seen on the field, his idea holds up.

Perhaps the problems were the quarterbacks? I mean it’s not like they were bringing in studs and ruining them.

The biggest jump you can make in the NFL is from terrible QB to competent QB play and Tyrod is competent.

Tyrods not much of a winning QB. He doesn’t make many mistakes, but he’s not a game changing QB that should be treated as a savior either. Especially going off of the Sam Bradford shaming argument. They’re the same shit as a safe playing QB; only Tyrod runs faster.

I do think the Browns are going to be really good this season, but there’s a much more bigger reality that they’re the same ol Browns.

He's over .500 for his career , Bradford is not - he's at a 42% win percentage for his career. Not too mention Bradford has generally played on better teams than Buffalo ever had to offer. Also they aren't the same , Tyrod has a higher YPA and YPC meaning he isn't nearly as afraid to take the shots.

Again saviour is not the word I would use but competent and capable and like I said , that's the biggest jump you can make in the NFL at QB.

Tyrod is 22-21 in his career; not too crazy. His TD passes have declined from 20-17-14 in the last 3 seasons. He's capable of not losing them games, but he'll never come close to having a 2016 Sam Bradford season in his career. They both are what they are, but if both were fully healthy; I would take Sam Bradford in a heartbeat. Definitely wouldn't take 32 QBs over him, either. I just don't ever want to be on the same side of an argument as KJ.

Bradford is a better NFL QB than Taylor. The stats don’t lie. Arguing wins only is crazy talk, especially with how terrible The Rams historically were before, during and after Bradford.

Aug 27, 2018 13:51:32 GMT KING KID said:

Tyrod is 22-21 in his career; not too crazy. His TD passes have declined from 20-17-14 in the last 3 seasons. He's capable of not losing them games, but he'll never come close to having a 2016 Sam Bradford season in his career. They both are what they are, but if both were fully healthy; I would take Sam Bradford in a heartbeat. Definitely wouldn't take 32 QBs over him, either. I just don't ever want to be on the same side of an argument as KJ.

Hey, all our shit goes to the wayside when talking football. *thumbs up*

Aug 27, 2018 12:56:52 GMT UT said:

He's over .500 for his career , Bradford is not - he's at a 42% win percentage for his career. Not too mention Bradford has generally played on better teams than Buffalo ever had to offer. Also they aren't the same , Tyrod has a higher YPA and YPC meaning he isn't nearly as afraid to take the shots.

Again saviour is not the word I would use but competent and capable and like I said , that's the biggest jump you can make in the NFL at QB.

Taylor’s career stats are skewed by relief duty in Baltimore. He’s three year avg in Buffalo is far more indicative of who he is.

"He'll never come close to having the 2016 Bradford had". Lol Kid , you crack me up.

Bradfords 2016 - 3877 YDS , 20 TD's , 5 INTs , 7.0 YA , 7.3 YC , 99.3 QB Rating
Taylors 2015 - 3035 YDS , 20 TD's , 6 INTs , 8.3 YA , 12.5 YC , 99.4 QB Rating (also 568 rushing yards)

So yeah , Tyrod doesn't have the same passing yards but Bradford also threw the ball 180 more times that season to even get 800 more yards. Taylor averaged over 5 yards more per completion (that's astronomical in difference) which proves he isn't afraid to take the top off the defense. Also if we are comparing teams those years - Bradford won 7 games with the #5 defense in the NFL , Tyrod won 7 games , while playing in 2 fewer with the 15th best defense in the NFL.

I'll take Taylor 10/10 times over Bradford.

Aug 27, 2018 14:13:21 GMT KJ said:

Aug 27, 2018 12:56:52 GMT UT said:

He's over .500 for his career , Bradford is not - he's at a 42% win percentage for his career. Not too mention Bradford has generally played on better teams than Buffalo ever had to offer. Also they aren't the same , Tyrod has a higher YPA and YPC meaning he isn't nearly as afraid to take the shots.

Again saviour is not the word I would use but competent and capable and like I said , that's the biggest jump you can make in the NFL at QB.

Taylor’s career stats are skewed by relief duty in Baltimore. He’s three year avg in Buffalo is far more indicative of who he is.

I don't know what you're talking about since he barely has any stats to speak of in Baltimore and 99% of his stats come as a Bill , including his entire W/L record. I only really including the three years in Buffalo.

Aug 27, 2018 14:09:18 GMT KJ said:

Bradford is a better NFL QB than Taylor. The stats don’t lie. Arguing wins only is crazy talk, especially with how terrible The Rams historically were before, during and after Bradford.

You're right , the statistics don't lie. Tyrod is better in every way. 

Tyrods INT rate - Lower than Bradfords
Tyrods YPA - Higher
Tyrods YPC - Significantly Higher
Tyrods TD% - Higher

The only thing Bradford has over Tyrod is the volume statistics. Tyrod is better per pass , per game than Bradford. The numbers don't lie.

I was looking at both stats yesterday but didn’t feel like restarting a Bradford discussion.

That said, please allow me to circle back this evening when I’m home and can respond in-kind.

YOU WILL DEBATE ME NOW! :@

Or tonight is fine too. I know the stats , Bradford has more volume stats which matter less to me than Taylors efficiency.

profootballreference does a lot of the work for you when breaking down between teams and finding the useful advanced stats.

Tyrod may indeed be better, but he's not so much better as to be ranked 19th while Bradford doesn't make the list. Sorry but there is not THAT much distance between them.

I'm willing to bet that Tyrod has a considerably better season that Bradford , enough to warrant being over 12 spots higher on the list. You or anyone want to bring back bitch bets? You shouldn't be too afraid considering Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to die.

I would but I don’t think either guy will be starting by the end of the season. :lol:

I want a bitch bet, but not about the QBs.

My wifes not going to be happy because for some strange reason she's an Aaron Rodgers fan girl, but I bet the Packers don't make the playoffs. UT,

Yeah.....unless Rodgers gets hurt again (admittedly has a good chance of happening) the Pack will make the playoffs.

Not to mention the rules are softer than ever on hitting QB now with that silly rule about not landing on top of them.  I mean that's like 90% of your tackles right there.  So to be perfectly honest Rodgers chances of playing a full season are better than ever.

I already named 6 teams that are going the playoffs. 3 that are going to affect the Packers from making it. Minnesota, Carolina & ATL. Come @ me.