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Post by The Kid on Mar 5, 2019 23:29:17 GMT
Not that it matters but my top 5 would’ve easily been:
1- Godfather 2 2- Godfather 1 3- Dog Day Afternoon 4- Scarface 5- Donnie Brasco
And Donnie only edges Carlitos Way by a hair. I remember when I learned of Pacinos greatness and literally binge watched all his movies. Carlitos Way was good but I watched it right after Scarface and it didn’t match up. The top 4 was way better then 5 through 10 for me. Donnie is good, but I loved the other 4 movies. DDA was awesome.
I also watched HEAT after the Affleck remake and I didn’t like it as much.
Also, because fuck it.
6- Carlitos Way 7- Any Given Sunday 8- Serpico 9- Insomnia 10- HEAT
I legit got bored in Scent of a Woman and may need to rewatch it. HEAT fell off for me, but I would put it at 10.
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Post by RT on Mar 6, 2019 0:27:13 GMT
Dog Day Afternoon is going to place higher than I expected and that makes me happy.
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Post by UT on Mar 6, 2019 15:03:13 GMT
Y'all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves that Heat only made #4 and this is the first time it's ever showed up on a countdown. Seriously one of the greatest movies ever made IMO and imminently rewatchable from top to bottom.
The stars are obviously De Niro and Pacino and they are both spectacular in this movie , I love how both characters live in a gray area with the audience and there really isn't a true protagonist in the whole movie. It's up to the viewer to decide who they like and usually I end up rooting for both guys but ultimately I love Pacino in this movie so I side with him. I know ALOT of people that side with McCauley's crew though and I don't blame them one but - the movie asks you to do that. The diner scene is often fabricated and talked about and it's incredible , probably should have made the iconic scenes list.
The supporting cast is all money , every character you end up knowing and caring about and that IMO is the art of a great script. Whether you spend a ton of time with them or not you are hooked by them and want to spend more time with them. I could watch a whole movie about any number of these guys - even a sequel about the step daughter that Natalie Portman did an incredible job in playing. Seriously that girl is one of the most impressive child actors I've seen.
I could damn near go scene by scene of this movie and break down all the things I love about the attention to detail and the way the characters made a choice to play a scene a certain way and why I love it. I've seen it so many times. I love the ambience of the movie as well - made in the 90's , written in the 70's with a brilliant Mann 80's color pallet. Just incredible. Also the fact that so much of it is based on a real story and cop/criminal game of cat and mouse lends credibility to it and I love that.
Usually I'm one who complains about movies being too long and having to sit through them , but after watching Heat yet again I want it to be longer. I want to spend more time with all these people. It's just a great fucking movie.
I'll leave ya with a few of my favorite scenes not only in this movie , but Pacino's career.
SHUT UP RALPH. SIT DOWN!!!!!!! :lol:
Oh god I love it.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 6, 2019 17:56:43 GMT
Eh, I'm hot and cold on Heat.
#4 feels fine.
I for sure wouldn't want it any higher, and when I'm feeling particularly cold on it, #4 feels pretty generous. I personally regret not dropping it toward the bottom like I rightfully dropped Scarface. Scent, Serpico, Donnie Brasco, and GF2 should be over Heat in my opinion. I should've thought longer and harder about my list.
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Post by RT on Mar 6, 2019 18:42:54 GMT
What the fuck I didn't vote for Heat? How did that happen? I swear it was on my list. I fucked up.
Top 5 easy. I must have deleted it and not realized. Booo this man!
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Post by UT on Mar 6, 2019 18:55:58 GMT
Eh, I'm hot and cold on Heat. #4 feels fine. I for sure wouldn't want it any higher, and when I'm feeling particularly cold on it, #4 feels pretty generous. I personally regret not dropping it toward the bottom like I rightfully dropped Scarface. Scent, Serpico, Donnie Brasco, and GF2 should be over Heat in my opinion. I should've thought longer and harder about my list. I must be quoting an empty post , because there is a deadman on the other end of this quote.
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Post by Emperor on Mar 6, 2019 19:39:51 GMT
Like 🤯, I feel pretty 'meh' about Heat. That was a long time ago, though. Probably need a revisit.
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Post by thereallt on Mar 6, 2019 19:59:59 GMT
Heat was my #5. Overall great heist movie. The shootout in the street is one of the best action pieces ever shot. The interactions between Pacino and DeNiro are spectacular and Val Kilmer plays an outstanding supporting character throughout.
Alas the movie is not flawless though. A better job definitely could have been done in the editing room as the movie feels bloated in certain spots. A good 30-45 minutes could have been trimmed off the run time with little ill-effect.
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Post by Ness on Mar 6, 2019 20:02:19 GMT
Heat is definitely a high ranking movie on my must watch list alongside Goodfellas and Godfather (I and II).
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Post by UT on Mar 6, 2019 20:07:16 GMT
Heat is definitely a high ranking movie on my must watch list alongside Goodfellas and Godfather (I and II). Goodfellas and Heat first. Get on it Ness.
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Post by Shootist on Mar 6, 2019 20:29:08 GMT
I had Heat at number 6 simply because Pacino had to share screen time with Robert De Niro. Pacino still had his moments but it wasn't solely his movie.
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Post by UT on Mar 6, 2019 20:32:53 GMT
I had Heat at number 6 simply because Pacino had to share screen time with Robert De Niro. Pacino still had his moments but it wasn't solely his movie. That’s sort of a weird way to look at it. He (and yes Deniro) were the selling points of that movie. It doesn’t work without Pacino. Wouldn’t the same thing be said about The Godfather and Brando?
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Post by The Kid on Mar 6, 2019 20:52:06 GMT
Wait. Timeout. Ness never watched Goodfellas?!?! Goodfellas first and then rewatch that shit!
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Post by UT on Mar 6, 2019 20:53:38 GMT
Wait. Timeout. Ness never watched Goodfellas?!?! Goodfellas first and then rewatch that shit! I don’t think Ness has watched any movie ever.
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Post by The Kid on Mar 6, 2019 20:55:10 GMT
That’s a damn shame.
I love watching an amazing movie and then finding people who haven’t and rewatching it with them just so I can be that annoying person who goes “oh yeah, get ready for this! Watch this. Oh wait, you’ll see!” throughout the movie.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 6, 2019 22:51:40 GMT
Eh, I'm hot and cold on Heat. #4 feels fine. I for sure wouldn't want it any higher, and when I'm feeling particularly cold on it, #4 feels pretty generous. I personally regret not dropping it toward the bottom like I rightfully dropped Scarface. Scent, Serpico, Donnie Brasco, and GF2 should be over Heat in my opinion. I should've thought longer and harder about my list. I must be quoting an empty post , because there is a deadman on the other end of this quote. You couldn't even quote Pacino's character. How weak is that!? Come at me. You're gonna end up proving to be as feckless as Lefty.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 6, 2019 22:54:25 GMT
Wait. Timeout. Ness never watched Goodfellas?!?! Goodfellas first and then rewatch that shit! I don’t think Ness has watched any movie ever. I'm not even sure Ness knows what a movie actually is. I think he's just been faking it until making it all these years. In fact, if I'm being honest, I'm not even sure Ness isn't just a net bot instead of a real person. Although, at one point, he somehow had me thinking he might be a suburban soccer mom.
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Post by UT on Mar 6, 2019 23:24:33 GMT
I must be quoting an empty post , because there is a deadman on the other end of this quote. You couldn't even quote Pacino's character. How weak is that!? Come at me. You're gonna end up proving to be as feckless as Lefty. Feckless was yesterday , today you’re wasting my mother fucking time.
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Post by mikec on Mar 6, 2019 23:29:19 GMT
That’s a damn shame. I love watching an amazing movie and then finding people who haven’t and rewatching it with them just so I can be that annoying person who goes “oh yeah, get ready for this! Watch this. Oh wait, you’ll see!” throughout the movie. Just when I think you’ve reached peak annoyance, you show me so many new shades.
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Post by Shootist on Mar 6, 2019 23:54:24 GMT
I had Heat at number 6 simply because Pacino had to share screen time with Robert De Niro. Pacino still had his moments but it wasn't solely his movie. That’s sort of a weird way to look at it. He (and yes Deniro) were the selling points of that movie. It doesn’t work without Pacino. Wouldn’t the same thing be said about The Godfather and Brando? .... sorry I fell asleep again after you said the Godfather....
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 7, 2019 2:11:16 GMT
I really like Donnie Brasco and think Pacino is absolutely fantastic in it as the sage old mafia guy who is mentoring Donnie the ways of the mob. Such a great character for Pacino to take on after his obvious history in that genre of movies and it really lends credibility and a realism to the role that really makes him buy in that character. The ending is heartbreaking but I love the way they did it though. I think 🤯 watched this for the countdown - curious to see his thoughts. I couldn't remember what you recommended. For some reason I thought it was all three of Serpico, Donnie Brasco, and Carlito's Way... And I ended up liking all three in that order. I've even rewatched recently in an attempt to calibrate for my recency bias, and it has me wishing I'd reordered my list. Anyway... I've got a little story time for Serpico: Once upon a time, 🤯 wanted to be a cop and even got accepted into the Pittsburgh academy. After watching Serpico, I'm a little convinced that would've very likely been 🤯 as a police. And Pittsburgh even had it's own corruption issue come to light around that time! And one of the many justifications that I came up with for ultimately turning down the academy slot was, like Paco, I didn't want to shave off my beard. Between the excellent performances, and story told in a way that had me reminiscing on The Wire, and then also the personal ties... Needless to say, I really fucking loved Serpico. Put it in my Top 5, wish I'd put it in my Top 3 (I don't think anything will ever surpass my firmly entrenched #1 & #2 of DDA & SoaW). Then Donnie Brasco was good. I really liked the slightly different spin on the same ol' character for Al. Instead of a boss/kingpin role, he's this passed-over old fart who feels weak and vulnerable. I really liked it. And the story was heartbreaking in all the right ways. Similar to Serpico making me think of my beloved Wire, DB got me thinking at times of Sopranos. And, inspired by shinobimusashi, I started concocting these theories like his Scarface/CW one. Except instead of unofficial sequels, my theories were about which movies were hybrids of others. Donnie Brasco feels like a hybrid of Serpico and the Godfathers (or maybe Carlito's Way). Rewatching CW has me thinking that, while some of them are OK, I think I mostly am not crazy about Brian de Palma movies. Could that be right? He did Scarface too, right? And aside from Razor Ramon and how iconic the Tony Montana character is, I don't really like it all that much. There's got to be done BDP joints out there that I like though. Let me hit up iMDB real quick...
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 7, 2019 2:15:05 GMT
Checking BDP, there's some I do like:
Carrie Snake Eyes Mission to Mars
Everything else though? Eh, I dunno...
Need to watch Untouchables at some point. And maybe Wise Guys.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 7, 2019 3:06:12 GMT
And CW is like a hybrid of Serpico and I dunno... Scarface? Donnie Brasco?
I'm having Pacino inception now.
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Post by Lionheart on Mar 7, 2019 7:29:10 GMT
The stars are obviously De Niro and Pacino and they are both spectacular in this movie , I love how both characters live in a gray area with the audience and there really isn't a true protagonist in the whole movie. It's up to the viewer to decide who they like and usually I end up rooting for both guys but ultimately I love Pacino in this movie so I side with him. I know ALOT of people that side with McCauley's crew though and I don't blame them one but - the movie asks you to do that. What!? I've been meaning to reply to this since I read your post this morning and am completely stunned no one else found any fault in this all day. I don't see any grey area at all in this movie. In fact, I thought it was bold in the way that it blatantly displays how dark and fucked up McCauley & crew are which is pretty much the exact opposite. They are completely demented psycho killers that don't give a fuck about anyone else. At no point are you supposed to root for them. Pacino is the blatant protagonist throughout and a good guy that does his best to save lives and even puts that honorable goal above saving his own marriage. Fucking #1 good guy of all time award in a movie where he is versus crazy killers! It's quite likely the most stark contrast I have ever seen between good and evil in a movie. And this is coming from the guy that thought Nick Dunne was a completely unsympathetic douchebag? But ruthless killers are no problem? You are weird. I think you just fell for De Niro's bad guy charm or something.
Like 🤯 , I feel pretty 'meh' about Heat. That was a long time ago, though. Probably need a revisit.
There is absolutely nothing "meh" about the movie. The experience is very intense and captivating. It is a powerful character study that pretty much makes you hang on every word. It's a unique style that isn't for everyone, but I don't see how anyone could think it was a bit dull. If anything, the reason for not liking it would be that it is too charismatic and focused for their tastes and they didn't like the characters it was focusing on or something. It seems like a hate it or love it kind of thing, but certainly not boring.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 7, 2019 13:30:01 GMT
The stars are obviously De Niro and Pacino and they are both spectacular in this movie , I love how both characters live in a gray area with the audience and there really isn't a true protagonist in the whole movie. It's up to the viewer to decide who they like and usually I end up rooting for both guys but ultimately I love Pacino in this movie so I side with him. I know ALOT of people that side with McCauley's crew though and I don't blame them one but - the movie asks you to do that. What!? I've been meaning to reply to this since I read your post this morning and am completely stunned no one else found any fault in this all day. I don't see any grey area at all in this movie. In fact, I thought it was bold in the way that it blatantly displays how dark and fucked up McCauley & crew are which is pretty much the exact opposite. They are completely demented psycho killers that don't give a fuck about anyone else. At no point are you supposed to root for them. Pacino is the blatant protagonist throughout and a good guy that does his best to save lives and even puts that honorable goal above saving his own marriage. Fucking #1 good guy of all time award in a movie where he is versus crazy killers! It's quite likely the most stark contrast I have ever seen between good and evil in a movie. And this is coming from the guy that thought Nick Dunne was a completely unsympathetic douchebag? But ruthless killers are no problem? You are weird. I think you just fell for De Niro's bad guy charm or something.
Like 🤯 , I feel pretty 'meh' about Heat. That was a long time ago, though. Probably need a revisit. There is absolutely nothing "meh" about the movie. The experience is very intense and captivating. It is a powerful character study that pretty much makes you hang on every word. It's a unique style that isn't for everyone, but I don't see how anyone could think it was a bit dull. If anything, the reason for not liking it would be that it is too charismatic and focused for their tastes and they didn't like the characters it was focusing on or something. It seems like a hate it or love it kind of thing, but certainly not boring.
No, there were definitely stretches where it was dull and boring. thereallt is spot on, cut maybe 30 minutes or so and it would probably vastly improve the overall experience.
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Post by UT on Mar 7, 2019 14:58:50 GMT
The stars are obviously De Niro and Pacino and they are both spectacular in this movie , I love how both characters live in a gray area with the audience and there really isn't a true protagonist in the whole movie. It's up to the viewer to decide who they like and usually I end up rooting for both guys but ultimately I love Pacino in this movie so I side with him. I know ALOT of people that side with McCauley's crew though and I don't blame them one but - the movie asks you to do that. What!? I've been meaning to reply to this since I read your post this morning and am completely stunned no one else found any fault in this all day. I don't see any grey area at all in this movie. In fact, I thought it was bold in the way that it blatantly displays how dark and fucked up McCauley & crew are which is pretty much the exact opposite. They are completely demented psycho killers that don't give a fuck about anyone else. At no point are you supposed to root for them. Pacino is the blatant protagonist throughout and a good guy that does his best to save lives and even puts that honorable goal above saving his own marriage. Fucking #1 good guy of all time award in a movie where he is versus crazy killers! It's quite likely the most stark contrast I have ever seen between good and evil in a movie. And this is coming from the guy that thought Nick Dunne was a completely unsympathetic douchebag? But ruthless killers are no problem? You are weird. I think you just fell for De Niro's bad guy charm or something. First of all you monkey , the idea that you can't root for or aren't put into a position to root for insane killers or terrible "people" in movies is the most insane thing I have read. This very list proves that you do it all the time with Pacino's roles , De Niro does it too (can you say Goodfellas) , Tyler Durden is another iconic one and I could go on and on for days. The point being that the "antihero" isn't a new concept now and wasn't in 1995 and the movie , according even to the guy who spent YEARS writing it was that the movie was going to live in the gray area and focus on the duality and morality of Vincent and Neil. The fact that they are largely the same exact person , consumed by their work and alone in the world despite being surrounded by people every day. What do you think the point of the diner scene was? It just wasn't to get Pacino and Deniro face to face it was to show the audience that despite some obvious differences and being on opposite sides of the law , Vincent and Neil aren't that different from eachother and in another life with other jobs they might actually be friends or acquaintences. Even Vincent likes Neil and doesn't want to have to kill him , he will because of what the consequences could be if he doesn't but he'll pull that trigger. Neil was written in the way , he's so matter of fact , clean , precise and amazing at what he does for a career the audience is bound to be enamored by him and the majority absolutely are. Yes in the beginning he gives the okay to kill that guard but killing innocents is never his intent and really it's Waingrow who puts everything into motion because he's a piece of shit. Secondly there would be NO reason to give him a love interest in this movie to show another side of him and him changing as a character if you weren't supposed to root for him. He is a little rough with Ashley Judd but gives her a deal that bad ruthless fucks never would if he thought it was going to cost him a score in the long run , he goes back for Chris and takes care of him - his whole crew looks to him for leadership and hangs on his every word because they , like us the audience are supposed to be enamored with his larger than life criminal. That was the whole point of the way Neil McCauley was written. Every character in Neils crew you felt was redeemable , even Sizemore until he picked that kid during the shootout. Then he crossed the line and deserved to be put down. Like what do you think the purpose of Waingrow even being there was? He was there to be the bad guy the audience hated , not Neal. Van Zant to a lesser extent as a meddling bad guy but if De Niro at ANY point was meant to be the bad guy of this movie there would have been no need to add to extra characters to carry the weight of the antagonists you want to see go down at the hands of Neil. I mean even with Edie he comes on strong but ultimately leaves it up to her whether she wants to go with or not , also he leaves her in the car at the end to protect her. The final shootout was intense because you don't want either guy to lose , you like them both and despite knowing it's impossible .... you want both Neil and Vincent to win. I know you don't rewatch movies but Heat is clearly one you should rewatch because the entire concept and the writing of the characters might have been missed by you. I don't know what else to say , I've seen the move 30 times and that is always the interpretation , I'm borderline obsessed with it (clearly , I mean I watched Mann interviews on it). Anyways you are pretty much on an island with your interpretation of the movie my friend.
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Post by UT on Mar 7, 2019 15:00:01 GMT
What!? I've been meaning to reply to this since I read your post this morning and am completely stunned no one else found any fault in this all day. I don't see any grey area at all in this movie. In fact, I thought it was bold in the way that it blatantly displays how dark and fucked up McCauley & crew are which is pretty much the exact opposite. They are completely demented psycho killers that don't give a fuck about anyone else. At no point are you supposed to root for them. Pacino is the blatant protagonist throughout and a good guy that does his best to save lives and even puts that honorable goal above saving his own marriage. Fucking #1 good guy of all time award in a movie where he is versus crazy killers! It's quite likely the most stark contrast I have ever seen between good and evil in a movie. And this is coming from the guy that thought Nick Dunne was a completely unsympathetic douchebag? But ruthless killers are no problem? You are weird. I think you just fell for De Niro's bad guy charm or something.
There is absolutely nothing "meh" about the movie. The experience is very intense and captivating. It is a powerful character study that pretty much makes you hang on every word. It's a unique style that isn't for everyone, but I don't see how anyone could think it was a bit dull. If anything, the reason for not liking it would be that it is too charismatic and focused for their tastes and they didn't like the characters it was focusing on or something. It seems like a hate it or love it kind of thing, but certainly not boring.
No, there were definitely stretches where it was dull and boring. thereallt is spot on, cut maybe 30 minutes or so and it would probably vastly improve the overall experience. No he wasn't and there was no boring stretches. You and thereallt are completely wrong. It should have been longer.
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Post by UT on Mar 7, 2019 15:11:13 GMT
Even though I don't care because it didn't make MY list , it feels weird to see The Godfather only at #3. Like I said though , it sometimes happens with people get cute with their lists or split votes or combine them.
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