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Post by iNCY on Sept 26, 2019 3:54:36 GMT
Realistically, if PW was a platform he was using to engage with underage kids, isn’t not wanting to get involved, and then acting on that, a pretty shitty position to take? I can understand why, but realistically ... throwing your hands up is pretty fucking awful. Yes, if people threw their hands up but the shit head was in jail and he was demodded and banned. Not sure how the mod team joining together for a rousing rendition of we are the world was going to help
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Post by Big Pete on Sept 26, 2019 13:20:52 GMT
Do we actually know how long TGO was sentenced for in the end? I was always curious to hear how his case ended up, but didn't want to bother Champ or Red just to satisfy my curiosity.
It's bullshit what he did to Lionheart. I was on the periphary of that Skype group and knew Lionheart/Rio was treated like the new guy. To put somebody in such an uncomfortable situation where they naturally want to know WTF was going on only to have that experience used against him is lousy. I don't necessarily blame those guys either, I can see it from their perspective and I'm sure it was a learning experience for them.
I hope The Champ is doing well. One of the reasons why I joined up here is because I felt there were still genuine Pro Wrestling fans on here who just wanted to enjoy the show and weren't overly cynical. I miss Red as well, but I can understand how in general that experience would have hurt him and made him less open.
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I need to see if Gregzilla has written anymore issues of his hardcore lesbian wrestling league. :lol: I didn't think such a thing as 'underground fan fic' existed until Greg PM'd me.
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Post by System on Sept 26, 2019 14:16:10 GMT
Do we actually know how long TGO was sentenced for in the end? I was always curious to hear how his case ended up, but didn't want to bother Champ or Red just to satisfy my curiosity. It's bullshit what he did to Lionheart. I was on the periphary of that Skype group and knew Lionheart/Rio was treated like the new guy. To put somebody in such an uncomfortable situation where they naturally want to know WTF was going on only to have that experience used against him is lousy. I don't necessarily blame those guys either, I can see it from their perspective and I'm sure it was a learning experience for them. I hope The Champ is doing well. One of the reasons why I joined up here is because I felt there were still genuine Pro Wrestling fans on here who just wanted to enjoy the show and weren't overly cynical. I miss Red as well, but I can understand how in general that experience would have hurt him and made him less open. ... I need to see if Gregzilla has written anymore issues of his hardcore lesbian wrestling league. :lol: I didn't think such a thing as 'underground fan fic' existed until Greg PM'd me. As much information as I can find.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 14:18:16 GMT
First link had one comment to the article. Very disappointed it wasn't just KING KID posting "lmao"
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Post by KING KID on Sept 26, 2019 17:41:51 GMT
Tiger Woods looking pedophile ass.
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Post by System on Sept 26, 2019 18:00:55 GMT
Tiger Woods looking pedophile ass. He was bringing youth & diversity to the pedo industry, too dominated by old white men.
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Post by KJ on Sept 26, 2019 19:40:12 GMT
Realistically, if PW was a platform he was using to engage with underage kids, isn’t not wanting to get involved, and then acting on that, a pretty shitty position to take? I can understand why, but realistically ... throwing your hands up is pretty fucking awful. Yes, if people threw their hands up but the shit head was in jail and he was demodded and banned. Not sure how the mod team joining together for a rousing rendition of we are the world was going to help His sentencing could’ve increased. More crimes could’ve been found. We don’t know. But ... People didn’t want PW dragged into it (as said on the previous page). Hindsight is 20/20, but it was a bad call to basically throw your hands up.
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Post by cia on Oct 20, 2019 1:23:30 GMT
Oh boy. I don't even know where to begin, but needless to say, there's a whole lot of misinformation and revisionist history in this thread. The entire TGO saga was unfortunate, but it's embarrassing how people on this forum talk about it. Very few of you know what happened and many of you actively refused to learn what happened, even when the information was presented. Easier to bury your head in the sand. Fine. I'm not going to re-litigate this forum's pathetic response to it. I just want to clear up the misinformation being spread. This is completely conflating two very separate events. In 2012, Lionheart and TGO began some sort of intimate, online relationship. Upon finding this information out (thanks to Lionheart providing the transcript), I immediately cut ties with TGO. So did Beffy and Champ. His girlfriend, at that time, remained by his side although their relationship became strained. Upon being provided the transcript, I found profiles on gay dating sites. Nothing about those sites indicated he was a pedophile, it was just further proof of CHEATING. Now, I know Lionheart was a minor at the time of those conversations. This should've been a clue to what we would later discover. It was certainly fucked up, but it was never really an angle that we explored. Lionheart himself never presented it that way. Should we have taken that one transcript and just assumed he would have thousands of CP files or be preying on upwards of a dozen minors? That seems like a stretch. In hindsight, I'm sympathetic to what Lionheart went through. Nonetheless, we immediately recognized that TGO was acting, at the very least, shady as fuck and all of that was enough for me to cut ties. We took all of the accusations seriously. From that point forward, I never talked to TGO again (despite his many attempts to reach out to me). Years later, in 2014, it was mentioned to me that TGO had gone missing. Some members of the forum who remained in contact with him were concerned. As many of you know, this dude was constantly online. At that point, I googled him again and found the charge from Alabama. However, the Alabama charge was actually over a year old. We had to reach out to the reporter who wrote that article and then do some court database searching ourselves to get to the truth: he had been arrested a separate time for having thousands of files of CP. This is way, way, way off base and I'm not sure where it came from. Champ immediately disavowed TGO and never stuck up for him again. In fact, Champ is so sensitive to TGO talk that he gets upset to this day if his name comes up. Champ is probably one of the MOST anti-TGO people on this forum or in that group. This is beyond fucked up and again proof that members of this forum are talking about something they know nothing about. Many of the people who he solicited pictures from on this forum and on MSN were younger than 17. One such member was 13 when he solicited a picture of their "pork sword." Again, that was someone he met on this forum. I know you've made a living out of being a pathetic edgelord on this forum, but gatekeeping pedophilia is a new low. I'm sorry the trauma some suffered wasn't sufficient for you. You've clearly suffered some of your own, so I hope you get the help you need. Nope. Of all the things said in this thread, this might be the most infuriating to me. None of you knew Nolan as anything but a forum troll. You have no idea what made him tick or what was going on his life. DO NOT speculate about what led to his death, because you are clueless. I appreciate you not mentioning him further, but you shouldn't have brought him up to begin with. Yeah, so, I never disliked you for anything to do with sports. But yes, I was one of the strongest voices against TGO. I don't know if this happened or not, but I am still very close to BigRed and I have trouble believing he would say he didn't believe you and wouldn't talk to you anymore. Maybe it happened, but in any event, he is also no TGO fan. I miss you Blindy.  Let's not talk about Mariota. Ding Ding Ding. Someone gets it. A predator on this forum was using this forum to find victims. When we brought this to the mods attention, the response was to keep it hush-hush as it was "none of their business." Make of that what you will, but it's why many from that group left this forum. There is no excuse for it. If it helps the mods sleep at night, go for it. Nobody was asking them to do anything but make it public knowledge so that younger members of the forum could be vigilant and protect themselves. That was too much to ask. Instead, we were attacked for bringing it up. 18 years. So why am I posting here now? Why does it matter? One, I don't like seeing people dragged through the mud or events exaggerated or downright misrepresented. Two, TGO has (likely illegally) reached out to members of this board (even those who aren't in "the group") from prison. People who are no longer here, but from whom he solicited pictures and weren't in those MSN chats. Those people did exist. I don't think the moderators, or members, of this forum know the details of what went down or how far-reaching his predatory conduct went. Actually, I know for a fact that you don't. When I see people talking as an authority on the subject, it's downright laughable. Lionheart, I'm sorry for what he did to you. I don't want to minimize your own experience. The stuff you say about the first portion of those chats (circa 2012) are generally accurate. However, you also have very little idea of what happened or went on once his pedophilia was discovered. You weren't around at that point. Do not talk as an expert. Everyone else, even today, it's not that hard to find me or many of the others if you have questions about what happened. We'd be happy to answer actual questions. Don't speculate. Don't lie. Especially don't talk shit or victim blame. Thanks.
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Post by KING KID on Oct 20, 2019 1:33:03 GMT
Thank you for that cia. Happy to know he’s someone’s bitch in prison for 18 years. I appreciate you.
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Post by mexicanmike on Oct 20, 2019 2:50:13 GMT
www.al.com/live/2013/04/mobile_man_accused_of_sexual_c.htmlPlease also keep in mind that TGO was also arrested and accused of a similar crime 18 months before his most recent case broke. During those 18 months he was still an active user on PW. The whole reason in bringing up the arrest and TGO's whereabouts in the original PW thread in late 2014 was to offer information in case other victims had been targeted on PW. As mentioned earlier, PW would be a great target for someone like TGO to find new victims. As someone who was very involved talking to reporters and researching information at the time, it's staggering the amount of misinformation and revisionist history that some people are spouting on here. Thanks, CIA, for the clarification.
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Post by KING KID on Oct 20, 2019 2:54:24 GMT
I appreciate you guys. Unfortunate that this is the topic that got you guys to swing over to the new board, but hopefully you guys stick around.
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Post by KING KID on Oct 20, 2019 2:56:24 GMT
www.al.com/live/2013/04/mobile_man_accused_of_sexual_c.htmlPlease also keep in mind that TGO was also arrested and accused of a similar crime 18 months before his most recent case broke. During those 18 months he was still an active user on PW. The whole reason in bringing up the arrest and TGO's whereabouts in the original PW thread in late 2014 was to offer information in case other victims had been targeted on PW. As mentioned earlier, PW would be a great target for someone like TGO to find new victims. As someone who was very involved talking to reporters and researching information at the time, it's staggering the amount of misinformation and revisionist history that some people are spouting on here. Thanks, CIA, for the clarification. Also question; was this arrest posted above a member of PW he was with the night he got caught? And was a PW member the final straw that got him the 18 years?
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Post by mexicanmike on Oct 20, 2019 3:03:05 GMT
First one was from someone from Craigslist and the other was part of a months long FBI sting.
From what I remember about the case he had a large compilation of various files which I believe may have included some members from old PW. Obviously, victim names are kept confidential but it would be a logical conclusion, given the details of what TGO had on his computer, to believe there were PW members involved.
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Post by System on Oct 20, 2019 3:17:51 GMT
Did Nobi ever get to play the new Sega Genesis mini?
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Post by iNCY on Oct 20, 2019 8:04:04 GMT
cia, What TGO did had nothing to do with PW it happened in MSN and real life. TGO was an internet forum moderator, he hardly had the authority of office that a priest or teacher would hold. You cannot hold mods responsible for acts that happened outside the forum, but hey if feeding victim mentality makes you feel better more power to you... You all got conned by a slippery predator... The end. I thought TGO was a deviant since he posted about the child sucking on his nipple at a teen camp.
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Post by NATH45 on Oct 20, 2019 9:44:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 11:10:32 GMT
Still can't not laugh at the term pork sword.
That said I kinda just wish PW as a whole would treat him and the incident under the Voldemort umbrella. It's over, he's in jail so there's no reason to breach the subject anymore.
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Post by KING KID on Oct 20, 2019 12:07:33 GMT
Still can't not laugh at the term pork sword. That said I kinda just wish PW as a whole would treat him and the incident under the Voldemort umbrella. It's over, he's in jail so there's no reason to breach the subject anymore. We did for a long ass time. I’m glad we’re finally getting some answers.
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Post by KJ on Oct 20, 2019 12:46:59 GMT
It’s still shocking to me people feel PW had no relation to what happened, and buried any involvement.
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Post by cia on Oct 20, 2019 13:39:55 GMT
cia , What TGO did had nothing to do with PW it happened in MSN and real life. TGO was an internet forum moderator, he hardly had the authority of office that a priest or teacher would hold. You cannot hold mods responsible for acts that happened outside the forum, but hey if feeding victim mentality makes you feel better more power to you... You all got conned by a slippery predator... The end. I thought TGO was a deviant since he posted about the child sucking on his nipple at a teen camp. Are you this dense? How can you say TGO had "nothing to do with PW" when he found his victims on PW. He didn't meet them on MSN. Nobody is holding the mods responsible for what happened. It wasn't your fault it happened. However, when presented with the information and the opportunity to protect more victims, you chose to not only ignore that information, but to then turn around and blame the victims. You chose to make snide remarks. You chose to prove how clever and edgy you are. If TGO found anyone on this forum after this information was brought to your attention, then yes, you could be responsible. Explain that away however you want. You had information and tried to squash it. Members of this forum should know what happened and how repugnant that decision was. This is such a bad look that I'll just let it speak for itself.
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Post by System on Oct 20, 2019 13:50:40 GMT
I had the @ Games Sega Genesis mini, I don’t think it was as bad as Nobi made it out to be despite it only having AV.
I played the hell out of Shadow Dancer: The secret of Shinobi even though I was pretty bad at it.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 20, 2019 14:20:03 GMT
Is this cia the same CIA that used to be affiliated with parth way back in the old days of PW fan fic, or different CIA? - like, who's Feds? I also recognize the name mexicanmike! As shitty as I feel about all of this, on some level I'm glad to see "familiar faces" back. I hope the icky stuff being discussed in this thread and how it's being treated doesn't drive you guys away. Would love to have you back on the permanent for discussing things like pro wrestling and movies. On a semi related note, I feel both thankful and bad that I had no idea this TGO drama was happening in real time on the old PW. Back then, I virtually never ventured into Off Topic or WWE subforums... Which is where I assume most of the "relationships" TGO formed were formed. I recall on the old PW there being icons under user AVs where you could click for their MSN handles. On that basis alone, I don't see how anyone could claim zero linkage between PW and what happened on MSN. I'm also thankful I never dabbled with MSN (AIM for life!) which I also used to think was almost exclusively for non-Americans. Anyway... I'm so saddened that the TGO shit (including however it was handled on PW) left such bad tastes in people's mouths. With PW being my internet home for over a decade and a half, I'll always love this place and many of its posters. To know legit shitheads were in our midst and actively shoot hurting each other, fucking sucks.
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Post by System on Oct 20, 2019 17:29:41 GMT
Still can't not laugh at the term pork sword. That said I kinda just wish PW as a whole would treat him and the incident under the Voldemort umbrella. It's over, he's in jail so there's no reason to breach the subject anymore. Got to put over they were in TGO’s cool MSN group like anyone gives a shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 18:03:05 GMT
Still can't not laugh at the term pork sword. That said I kinda just wish PW as a whole would treat him and the incident under the Voldemort umbrella. It's over, he's in jail so there's no reason to breach the subject anymore. Got to put over they were in TGO’s cool MSN group like anyone gives a shit. The real victims obviously those of us not lucky enough to be chosen.
#toooldforTGO
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Post by System on Oct 20, 2019 18:49:43 GMT
Got to put over they were in TGO’s cool MSN group like anyone gives a shit. The real victims obviously those of us not lucky enough to be chosen.
#toooldforTGO
🤣🤣 slim pickings now PW is mostly a 30+ crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 19:00:57 GMT
The real victims obviously those of us not lucky enough to be chosen.
#toooldforTGO
🤣🤣 slim pickings now PW is mostly a 30+ crowd. Fat chance any second generation PWer will join us in the future.
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Post by iNCY on Oct 21, 2019 4:23:11 GMT
It’s still shocking to me people feel PW had no relation to what happened, and buried any involvement. cia , What TGO did had nothing to do with PW it happened in MSN and real life. TGO was an internet forum moderator, he hardly had the authority of office that a priest or teacher would hold. You cannot hold mods responsible for acts that happened outside the forum, but hey if feeding victim mentality makes you feel better more power to you... You all got conned by a slippery predator... The end. I thought TGO was a deviant since he posted about the child sucking on his nipple at a teen camp. Are you this dense? How can you say TGO had "nothing to do with PW" when he found his victims on PW. He didn't meet them on MSN. Nobody is holding the mods responsible for what happened. It wasn't your fault it happened. However, when presented with the information and the opportunity to protect more victims, you chose to not only ignore that information, but to then turn around and blame the victims. You chose to make snide remarks. You chose to prove how clever and edgy you are. If TGO found anyone on this forum after this information was brought to your attention, then yes, you could be responsible. Explain that away however you want. You had information and tried to squash it. Members of this forum should know what happened and how repugnant that decision was. This is such a bad look that I'll just let it speak for itself. Okay, I think your view on all of this is warped by the Catholic schools and boarding house drama. Let's just say you and your chums in your final year of High School went to the mall to hang out in the food court. While you were watching Mary-Joe's ass as she lined up for Quizno's a balding middle aged man wandered over to begin a conversation with your best friend Chester You get involved in the conversation and all agree to meet in the park the next day to play hackey-sack The middle-aged man reveals his name to be Andrea, he brings cask wine and gets your 17yo asses so drunk you agree to let him photograph your pee-pee Over the coming months you go to Wrestlemania with him, share a few Quizno's and gradually learn to ignore the fact that this guy likes photos of your wrinkly yogurt truck... Years later, you are at Mary-Jo's house waiting to pick her up for the prom and you note the the Dad is watching "How to Catch a Predator" And then you have the sickening relization that it's Andrea that Chris Hansen has sweating on a vinyl two-seater sofa Your stomach begins to tighten and your perspire and all of a sudden you scream... "THAT MALL.... HOW COULD IT DO THIS TO US??" Got to put over they were in TGO’s cool MSN group like anyone gives a shit. The real victims obviously those of us not lucky enough to be chosen.
#toooldforTGO
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Post by KJ on Oct 21, 2019 7:12:00 GMT
The mall analogy is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Now, if it were a Quiznos and they knew one of their guests was using their restaurant to meet other patrons, knew the person had been arrested, and decided not to be involved because, well, they didn’t care to actually take responsibility ... THAT would be an apt comparison.
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Post by iNCY on Oct 21, 2019 11:28:12 GMT
The mall analogy is one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Now, if it were a Quiznos and they knew one of their guests was using their restaurant to meet other patrons, knew the person had been arrested, and decided not to be involved because, well, they didn’t care to actually take responsibility ... THAT would be an apt comparison. You think in this situation that there is "Responsibility" to one party over what people do in an unregulated public space? The only failing is in that of the parents, seriously were people not raised with the idea of "Stranger danger"? Are parents not the ones with responsibility? Nobody entrusts their children to an internet forum, what an absurd concept you are peddling. When the person is charged you ban them. If they are convicted you make it public as people have a right to know.
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Post by KJ on Oct 21, 2019 11:34:40 GMT
We’re clearly going to disagree.
You made your (bad) choices, there’s no going back.
I would’ve contacted the police personally had I still been a Mod.
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