Oct 21, 2019 11:34:40 GMT KJ said:

We’re clearly going to disagree.

You made your (bad) choices, there’s no going back.

I would’ve contacted the police personally had I still been a Mod.

And tell them what? That an act that you have no direct knowledge of may have occurred between male parties that you have never met on a forum dedicated to the discussion of oiled up body builders grabbing each other....and then does everyone clap in your fantasy?

I am sure you will take some comfort that the wheole TGO issue was the reason I gave being a mod away, it wasn't that I was tired of being a giant edgelord as cia, put it in his normal retarded fashion. It just sucked all the remaining joy out of moderating along with all the other things it sucked.  :eyepop:

What exposes the character you have is you think someone would only do the right thing for applause.

Oct 21, 2019 14:07:58 GMT KJ said:

What exposes the character you have is you think someone would only do the right thing for applause.

Have you never been on social media? It’s filled with people filming their “ good acts “ for likes.

But I see your point.

Oct 21, 2019 14:07:58 GMT KJ said:

What exposes the character you have is you think someone would only do the right thing for applause.

No, what exposes a character is being wedded to the idea of doing something that has no benefit beyond a cheap pop from the cheap seats.

Why would it even matter whether you were a mod or not in regards to contacting the police if you had knowledge of said events?

And everyone was always against me being a mod.

Smh.

Oct 22, 2019 4:33:08 GMT System said:

Why would it even matter whether you were a mod or not in regards to contacting the police if you had knowledge of said events?

I had no idea any of this was going on beyond TGO being arrested until this thread. The mods knew a lot.

Oct 21, 2019 22:12:23 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 21, 2019 14:07:58 GMT KJ said:

What exposes the character you have is you think someone would only do the right thing for applause.

No, what exposes a character is being wedded to the idea of doing something that has no benefit beyond a cheap pop from the cheap seats.

You literally have no idea what sharing that information could or couldn’t have exposed.

But, you’re not a good person, so I expect that.

Oct 22, 2019 4:36:10 GMT KING KID said:

And everyone was always against me being a mod.

Smh.

Still am. :suspic:

I’m not sure what you are looking for here KJ. This is a different board with what’s left of our community after wonky servers, a main site that was useless and this tragedy tore us apart. There is enough blame in this to go around I’m sure but I don’t see how casting more blame against the mods years later (when most of them are no longer here) is going to change anything now. Did we as a collective fuck up? Probably, but what’s done is done. I can beg for forgiveness on behalf of us all but it changes nothing. Personally, I’m sorry for any hurt it caused. I truly hope those affected have started healing from their encounters and have gotten the closure they needed. I’d love to have so many of the posters back; some who have left over this, others who’ve left for other reasons but if not, we go on.

Oct 22, 2019 13:25:37 GMT KJ said:

Oct 21, 2019 22:12:23 GMT iNCY said:

No, what exposes a character is being wedded to the idea of doing something that has no benefit beyond a cheap pop from the cheap seats.

You literally have no idea what sharing that information could or couldn’t have exposed.

But, you’re not a good person, so I expect that.

I have never claimed or even hinted at the idea that I am a good person. I have never thought that.

I know what I am... And at least that's not a useless self-righteous preachy do-none.

When did the mods actually find out about TGO? Was it in 2012? Or was it only a few days before Big Red went public?

From memory, I recall it was the latter because one of the sentiments that stuck with me was that certain mods wish they had have known sooner so they could have protected members. Some of the leaks were awful and I don't think there's anything to gain by doubling down on those view-points just quietly but what I got out of it was that the mods were ill equipped and were rattled by it.

Which brings me to my next question, what was the harm in going public? Were there privacy concerns? Were you actually in the process of putting out a public statement only for Red to beat you guys to the punch? Because as far as I see it, it went public and nothing happened except PW lost some of it's best members as a result.

For mine, the purpose of this thread shouldn't be to rack the former mods over the coals, what's done is done. However, it's about getting to the truth of the matter because there's a few members who were aware of the story but didn't have all the facts sorted.

From what I’m getting out of it is that nobody wanted to involve their real life into their PW life. Maybe out of selfish embarrassment of being on a message board? Maybe they didn’t want to have to speak to feds and have their family members affected by it?

Because even though I disagree with the point iNCY is making, I can kind of see it. It’s not his fault that someone was naive enough to send a dick pic to a predator. Even if you didn’t know he was a predator, what are you doing sending dick pics to another dude? So in Incys defense; Why does he have to be the hero and fix the issue?

I get it. At the same time, taking a moderator position means you “moderate” and make sure everything is good on the board which from my understanding was an epic fail by the mods. Some want the “power” of being a mod but don’t want the actual full responsibility of it.

Either way, TGO was a piece of shit and there was brain farts all around. Some more serious then others I guess. The douchebag is doing 18 years and probably sucking more dicks then you can imagine right now. So in the end, he’s paying his consequences.

Oct 22, 2019 13:47:42 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 22, 2019 13:25:37 GMT KJ said:

You literally have no idea what sharing that information could or couldn’t have exposed.

But, you’re not a good person, so I expect that.

I have never claimed or even hinted at the idea that I am a good person. I have never thought that.

I know what I am... And at least that's not a useless self-righteous preachy do-none.

The first and second sentence disqualified any validity in the third one.



By the way - you’ve known me a long time, Incy. As have others.

There should be little doubt I would do exactly what I said I would do.

Oct 22, 2019 15:23:05 GMT Big Pete said:

When did the mods actually find out about TGO? Was it in 2012? Or was it only a few days before Big Red went public?

From memory, I recall it was the latter because one of the sentiments that stuck with me was that certain mods wish they had have known sooner so they could have protected members. Some of the leaks were awful and I don't think there's anything to gain by doubling down on those view-points just quietly but what I got out of it was that the mods were ill equipped and were rattled by it.

Which brings me to my next question, what was the harm in going public? Were there privacy concerns? Were you actually in the process of putting out a public statement only for Red to beat you guys to the punch? Because as far as I see it, it went public and nothing happened except PW lost some of it's best members as a result.

For mine, the purpose of this thread shouldn't be to rack the former mods over the coals, what's done is done. However, it's about getting to the truth of the matter because there's a few members who were aware of the story but didn't have all the facts sorted.

In the spirit of closure and getting to the truth of the matter I will try to answer your questions best as I can, perhaps  other members who were also mods at the time can back me up or give their account.  Keep in mind, the 'truth' is subjective.  For instance anyone personally involved in it, or who were personal friends with TGO may see things differently than I do, which is understandable.

We were only made aware of the allegations shortly before Big Red went public.  Of course the facts were only starting to surface and honestly, I'm not sure we ever got the full magnitude of the damage/fallout.  Many of us, didn't want to believe it and asked for proof.  When it was presented to us TGO was immediately de-modded and Easy made an announcement across the board about it and that if anyone had questions to email himself or a mod and we would do our best to answer them. 

I wish the old board was still around so I could look into it and give you the run down, or re-post the threads because here is where my memory wans.  I believe the concerns with going public was because 1) it was an active investigation and the facts were still coming to light 2) selfishly and maybe (again subjective) wrongly, we were concerned with the authorities shutting PW down or the Main Board shutting us down due to this. 

In the interest of transparency, I was one of those who voted against going public.  I can't remember all the reasons at the time, and you can think me a piece of shit if you want, but I truly believed we were doing what was best for the board which turned out not to be the case.  We usually act in a majority rules situation, so I believe either we thought that was the end of it or we were waiting for a final consensus, I can't remember.  In the meantime, Red decided we'd waited long enough and went public against the current consensus.  That was forgivable, he was one of the ones most affected by this and has always been a very virtuous person, but what started the war was when he started posting things from the mod room in the thread and to that group privately which were used against us.  Some things were taken out of context, some were not.  I can't remember if Red was then de-modded or stepped down.  It doesn't really matter.  I don't think anyone meant to victim blame, least of all myself, I think we were just in shock that this was happening and trying to understand how something like this could happen.  Again, as Michi said we are moderators on a wrestling forum used for escapism from real life, none of us was equipped to handle something like this.  No excuse, just saying usually in the mod room we talk about the current pain in our ass (usually Kid) or ways to increase traffic.  We'd had other squabbles between us, between members of the board and us, but nothing like this. In the end, we lost great members and friendships were ruined.  

For whoever might be reading this, if I personally did anything to hurt you I truly do apologize and I meant what I said, I hope everyone who was hurt through TGO's actions or the lack of support on our part, finds the closure they need and the healing their soul requires. 

Thanks for clearing that up IM. While it was a messy situation, I don't think the mods intended to come across as cold and uncaring. In hindsight things could have been handled better, but who could have imagined in a million years when you volunteer for something like this you'd end up in a situation like that.

Glad to know I was a main topic in the mod room. -_-

Oct 22, 2019 16:57:25 GMT KING KID said:

Glad to know I was a main topic in the mod room. -_-

I still don't understand how you were able to come back so many times.

Must've been the drawing power of KWF.

Oct 22, 2019 16:45:24 GMT Big Pete said:

Thanks for clearing that up IM. While it was a messy situation, I don't think the mods intended to come across as cold and uncaring. In hindsight things could have been handled better, but who could have imagined in a million years when you volunteer for something like this you'd end up in a situation like that.

The whole thing was a mess and honestly uncaring was the least thing we were.  As a mother and one of the older members, I personally felt as though I failed to protect the younger members.  I know Easy felt the same.  Maybe going public would have helped with that, maybe it wouldn't have.  I felt like I should have seen it, but I'll admit I wasn't as involved with most of the members of that group of friends off the board as some.   I reached out to many personally during this until the chips fell where they did.  I still care a great deal for all the posters we lost in this and wish them all well.  

Oct 22, 2019 16:59:47 GMT 🤯 said:

Oct 22, 2019 16:57:25 GMT KING KID said:

Glad to know I was a main topic in the mod room. -_-

I still don't understand how you were able to come back so many times.

Must've been the drawing power of KWF.

Because overall he's a valuable contributor and grew into a decent human being.

 

Oct 22, 2019 16:59:47 GMT 🤯 said:

Oct 22, 2019 16:57:25 GMT KING KID said:

Glad to know I was a main topic in the mod room. -_-

I still don't understand how you were able to come back so many times.

Must've been the drawing power of KWF.

I honestly don’t even remember why I got banned. Legit don’t remember what I was doing. But yeah, totally the KWF.

But seriously; minus beefing with KOTW, what did I do?

Oct 22, 2019 17:06:58 GMT iron maiden said:

Oct 22, 2019 16:59:47 GMT 🤯 said:

I still don't understand how you were able to come back so many times.

Must've been the drawing power of KWF.

Because overall he's a valuable contributor and grew into a decent human being.

 

So it was the KWF.

Ty

Also coolest thing I ever did in PW was get Roo to make me a fake report card. I had a failing average because I was cutting class every single day and needed to show my parents something. He made a legit, bad ass report card. I told him to give me an 80 average to make it believable too and he rocked it for me.

I think his name was Roo. Jewish kid who did A&G. He became an EMT like me too which was cool.

Kid's Life still stands as one of the best threads I ever witnessed on PW. Had me gripped on whatever you were typing. Still could not believe things like that were happening in my home state

Probably 2nd best to the New York Jets Discussion Thread 2009-2013(AKA a Schizophrenic man's thoughts on a team that put me through the highest of highs and lowest of lows and still do) but besides that

I can’t find anything to verify CIA’s claim he is in for 18 years but if he is there’s no point everyone beating themselves up for what they should or shouldn’t have done...everyone’s talking like he was found not guilty.

Seems like justice was served.

KING KID ah I always wondered what happened to Roo

Also while we’re on the topic of children being taken advantage of;

The little girl in the “Baby Shark” music video irritates the shit out of me. She barely looks at the camera and is just terrible in it. How they let her hold the role down is mind blowing. She must be the directors daughter or some shit because the Asian boy absolutely kills it in the music video. He’s excellent whereas she’s absolutely awful.

Agree? Disagree?

cia mexicanmike thanks for coming in to this dumpster fire and clearing things up. Much appreciated.

Also sorry I didn’t remember things properly re: Champ. I got him and Red mixed up. I should have just said nothing as my memory of who did what back then is pretty much nil.

I just remember logging in, going “TGO is a pedo? What?” and then all hell broke loose before anyone could wrap their heads around what we were dealing with.

Thanks again.

The irony of quitting PW over gay jokes and your final thread turns into discussion about a homosexual pedophile

Oct 25, 2019 13:41:44 GMT jTjohncenaGOAT said:

I tell ya.

You can’t read the last page of this thread and then skip back to page one looking for context.

Someone told an unfortunate story about being targeted by an internet predator, there were a lot of MSN chats, a lot of hazy memories about old PW and who knew what when and how, a heavy dose of self-righteousness, and Shin quit.

I was a mod when TGO was found out, was unbelievably bummed by the news, didn’t really know what to do with it, was happy with idea of making a post about it but then moving on, and I think BigRed wound up having more faith in PW than I did and it all worked out. Can’t fathom a good reason to relitigate it now.

Holy... Fucking... Shittt.

This thread... What the hell have I missed?

Did Nobi really quit? He can't quit, or I'll have to request my name be changed to "Bummer".

Wow... In all seriousness, what the fuck guys. Does anyone have a way to get ahold of him outside PW? He's honestly half the reason I even get on here.

PS - I can't believe TGO did that. I always enjoyed his posts. That makes me physically ill reading all that. Fuck him and the PGA Tour he rode in on. This is all wayyyy too much to take in at once.