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Post by 🤯 on Jan 6, 2021 0:12:52 GMT
Grrr... later in the week I need a COVID test. My mom likely has it. She needs her test, then if she is positive I have to go. We all got exposed as the hospital my grandpa was at did not think it was important to test him for COVID before sending him home, despite him having the symptoms. I been sick but not like COVID sick, which means I may have it and get off super light (no chest issues). Or I have not incubated enough yet <.< Fuck not you too, c! Thinking about you and iNCY sharing any sort of common ground is too wild of an concept for my brain to grasp.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 6, 2021 3:52:36 GMT
Grrr... later in the week I need a COVID test. My mom likely has it. She needs her test, then if she is positive I have to go. We all got exposed as the hospital my grandpa was at did not think it was important to test him for COVID before sending him home, despite him having the symptoms. I been sick but not like COVID sick, which means I may have it and get off super light (no chest issues). Or I have not incubated enough yet <.< Fuck not you too, c ! Thinking about you and iNCY sharing any sort of common ground is too wild of an concept for my brain to grasp. He and I actually agree on a lot of things, on other points he and I just interpret the data differently, but I do enjoy his views for the most part. Back to the topic of the thread, I am 99% that I have what is being termed as "long-Covid" I am a bit over it now... Still don't support lockdowns though.
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Post by c on Jan 6, 2021 4:31:49 GMT
Have you had an x-ray Incy? Sounds like lung scarring if you still cannot kick the fatigue.
If I have it I have the most pitiful version of it that is def not what you all went through. The last person in my cluster tested positive with the same symptoms I have, which is a mild headache, some body sores and low grade nausea. My mom however has been laid out in bed puking for four days in pain. Still not fully convinced this is COVID and not the normal flu but will see when mom hopefully gets her test tomorrow to see if I need one.
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Post by System on Jan 6, 2021 5:18:12 GMT
Stay Covid safe is the most important thing, unless it’s going to the footy or cricket #Straya
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Post by iNCY on Jan 6, 2021 6:10:03 GMT
Have you had an x-ray Incy? Sounds like lung scarring if you still cannot kick the fatigue. If I have it I have the most pitiful version of it that is def not what you all went through. The last person in my cluster tested positive with the same symptoms I have, which is a mild headache, some body sores and low grade nausea. My mom however has been laid out in bed puking for four days in pain. Still not fully convinced this is COVID and not the normal flu but will see when mom hopefully gets her test tomorrow to see if I need one. I have had a lung Xray a while ago and it was clear, they were looking for pleurisy which I probably spelt wrong.... Im all good until I do serious physical exertion and even then I'm fine but the day after and the day after that I'm good. My Covid sounded like yours, I only got sick when the pneumonia hit... Which it does for hardly anyone.
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Post by c on Jan 6, 2021 6:28:41 GMT
The pneumoniae like you got is what is killing people in the US.
Hopefully it is just scarring, as over time that will fix itself. Likely will need a pulmonary functioning test to sort things out. Not sure how much of a hassle it would be to start down that path. Also last I knew they still were unsure how to treat post COVID pulmonary fibrosis.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 6, 2021 8:28:00 GMT
The pneumoniae like you got is what is killing people in the US. Hopefully it is just scarring, as over time that will fix itself. Likely will need a pulmonary functioning test to sort things out. Not sure how much of a hassle it would be to start down that path. Also last I knew they still were unsure how to treat post COVID pulmonary fibrosis. I know my oxygen levels are good, I have no idea what it is. When I had pneumonia the doctor said if I was old I would have been in big trouble. It's weird it hits me in the days following the exertion, hopefully they figure it out with other people. I'm not going to the doctors again,they have tend to have no ability when it comes to critical thinking.
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Post by c on Jan 6, 2021 11:06:26 GMT
Did some digging. What you are experiencing is likely post-exertional malaise. It is usually seen in people with chronic fatigue syndrome / myalgic encephalomyelitis. Basically after exertion within the next 12 to 48 hours you get hit by a period of weakness, fatigue and brain fog. Much of the US does not consider this are worthy of study, and our doctors at least do not think it is something worthy of treatment, but the brits been on it hard for 60 years. But it has come up in the COVID talks it seems like following COVID some are showing all the classic signs of CFS / ME and PEM. If I get more time I will dig into the med lit and see if there is anything useful, but basically from a fast read, it says just plan to be knocked on your ass the next day. www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4938/rrwww.statnews.com/2020/07/21/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-keys-understanding-post-covid-syndromeAnd I know how you feel about doctors. I should write up the shit I have to go through one of these days. Basically I take two meds daily and I am not disabled, but the doctors say it is too risky for me to take. One is a benzo, the other a stimulant. The benzo I take for panic attacks and the stimulant daily. The daily stimulant gives me like a 10% higher chance to die of a stroke. So if I have a 10% chance right now to die of a stroke, it moves to 11%. My opinion does not matter in this issue. Got to love modern medicine.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 6, 2021 11:22:07 GMT
I shouldn't complain, we have good specialists in Australia but the GPs are morons. I came to the same idea around CFS but I actually find diagnosis aren't particularly helpful without treatment.
I took Dialantin and Tegretol for over a decade, I will be perfectly happy to never take medication in my life again.
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Post by c on Jan 6, 2021 16:23:34 GMT
The way I see it, in a class of doctors you get some who aced their tests and learned all they could, and the people who said a C is good for me. The people who aced their stuff go on to become specialists, teachers, researchers and what not. The people with Cs are the ones who treat us. Sometimes you literally need to walk people through your diagnosis. I know my mania was missed for instanced until I brought it up as for some reason the doctors did not put together hey sometime I would go three days without sleep and just write non-stop or read all of books for a semester of college as mania.
Diagnosis without treatment can be helpful as sometimes you can treat yourself with supplements or dietary changes. I doubt it is truly CFS / ME, I think it just looks like it. There is a second trend I am seeing that says after exertion your REM sleep may be disrupted, which then leads to the fatigue. I had severe REM denial for a year and it got ugly and I was in hell. This got accidentally fixed with an anti-anxiety pill thankfully.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 6, 2021 22:46:26 GMT
The way I see it, in a class of doctors you get some who aced their tests and learned all they could, and the people who said a C is good for me. The people who aced their stuff go on to become specialists, teachers, researchers and what not. The people with Cs are the ones who treat us. Sometimes you literally need to walk people through your diagnosis. I know my mania was missed for instanced until I brought it up as for some reason the doctors did not put together hey sometime I would go three days without sleep and just write non-stop or read all of books for a semester of college as mania. Diagnosis without treatment can be helpful as sometimes you can treat yourself with supplements or dietary changes. I doubt it is truly CFS / ME, I think it just looks like it. There is a second trend I am seeing that says after exertion your REM sleep may be disrupted, which then leads to the fatigue. I had severe REM denial for a year and it got ugly and I was in hell. This got accidentally fixed with an anti-anxiety pill thankfully. I won't ever go see a psychiatrist for this reason, I don't want a label on my record that nothing can be done about... It's all such a crock, not the science, but the way it is applied... Medication shouldn't be a solution, it should be a bridge to the solution wherever possible. Back in my days fixing machines for a living, you could do ghetto fixes where you bridge something out and get the machine going... But you were always meant to go back and fix it properly, not that many people did. Electrical cabinets ended up looking like a birds nest of wires that don't match even closely to the drawings... This is what I see in people who have long term medical care amongst a range of providers.
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Post by c on Jan 6, 2021 22:54:56 GMT
Psychiatry is basically fixing a machine in a pitch black room, where you do not know what the machine looks like when it is working properly as well. I agree about the applied part somewhat. Medication is very useful if the root of the problem is neurochemical in nature. For many it is. If the problem is neurochemical as well, all the therapy or alternative methods in the world will not fix the root cause. We do not have a targeted cure for mental illness so we work with what we have. It is not super effective and not a cure, but the right meds mean having a much higher level of quality of life.
The main problem right now is people assume all mental health people are junkies following the opiod crisis and our meds keep getting tighter restrictions where a bureaucrat determines what you can be treated with and not a doctor who knows your case.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 6, 2021 23:11:34 GMT
Psychiatry is basically fixing a machine in a pitch black room, where you do not know what the machine looks like when it is working properly as well. I agree about the applied part somewhat. Medication is very useful if the root of the problem is neurochemical in nature. For many it is. If the problem is neurochemical as well, all the therapy or alternative methods in the world will not fix the root cause. We do not have a targeted cure for mental illness so we work with what we have. It is not super effective and not a cure, but the right meds mean having a much higher level of quality of life. The main problem right now is people assume all mental health people are junkies following the opiod crisis and our meds keep getting tighter restrictions where a bureaucrat determines what you can be treated with and not a doctor who knows your case. I find medical care bizarre, in a massive overshare I am looking at a clinic for a vasectomy and there was a video from a 23yo who tried to get a vasectomy and most places wouldn't touch him, he ended up needing a letter from his GP and a psychiatrist... But a 13yo can get an abortion without parental consent??? I believe if you are of reasonable age and a sound mind, you have the right to choose your treatment, and doctors don't have the right to not prescribe... Addicts would not meet that definition. My issue with what you are saying about the neuro chemical is that I agree, I had seizures for 25 years due to neurons getting stuck to the wall of my brain or something... But in the case of psychiatry as you say it's a dark room, if someone has a history of a point in their life where they weren't depressed or not bipolar, then every step should be taken to get the human machine back to its original wiring... Even the basics of diet, exercise, going outside, joining a club etc. Not saying there is a magic wand fix, but telling people who treat themselves like shit that they can be fixed with drugs is a joke..... I would totally support our government here tying our Medicare contribution to our BMI rather than our wages.. Which would mean I pay more
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Post by pduh on Jan 6, 2021 23:15:57 GMT
Two of my cousins take the vaccine one take the Phizer one with no side effects and no super powers my other cousin take the modern or whatever it’s call and he have a little side effect can’t remember what was it I think a headache and something else. No super power either…
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Post by iron maiden on Jan 7, 2021 1:16:46 GMT
Psychiatry is basically fixing a machine in a pitch black room, where you do not know what the machine looks like when it is working properly as well. I agree about the applied part somewhat. Medication is very useful if the root of the problem is neurochemical in nature. For many it is. If the problem is neurochemical as well, all the therapy or alternative methods in the world will not fix the root cause. We do not have a targeted cure for mental illness so we work with what we have. It is not super effective and not a cure, but the right meds mean having a much higher level of quality of life. The main problem right now is people assume all mental health people are junkies following the opiod crisis and our meds keep getting tighter restrictions where a bureaucrat determines what you can be treated with and not a doctor who knows your case. I find medical care bizarre, in a massive overshare I am looking at a clinic for a vasectomy and there was a video from a 23yo who tried to get a vasectomy and most places wouldn't touch him, he ended up needing a letter from his GP and a psychiatrist... But a 13yo can get an abortion without parental consent??? I believe if you are of reasonable age and a sound mind, you have the right to choose your treatment, and doctors don't have the right to not prescribe... Addicts would not meet that definition. My issue with what you are saying about the neuro chemical is that I agree, I had seizures for 25 years due to neurons getting stuck to the wall of my brain or something... But in the case of psychiatry as you say it's a dark room, if someone has a history of a point in their life where they weren't depressed or not bipolar, then every step should be taken to get the human machine back to its original wiring... Even the basics of diet, exercise, going outside, joining a club etc. Not saying there is a magic wand fix, but telling people who treat themselves like shit that they can be fixed with drugs is a joke..... I would totally support our government here tying our Medicare contribution to our BMI rather than our wages.. Which would mean I pay more It took me years of pain and issues after having my daughter to even find a 'lady Dr' to approve a 27 year old me (who had already had her tubes tied and numerous laparoscopic surgeries) to approve a hysterectomy. As soon as I was healed the pain has never returned.
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 1:30:18 GMT
Psychiatry is basically fixing a machine in a pitch black room, where you do not know what the machine looks like when it is working properly as well. I agree about the applied part somewhat. Medication is very useful if the root of the problem is neurochemical in nature. For many it is. If the problem is neurochemical as well, all the therapy or alternative methods in the world will not fix the root cause. We do not have a targeted cure for mental illness so we work with what we have. It is not super effective and not a cure, but the right meds mean having a much higher level of quality of life. The main problem right now is people assume all mental health people are junkies following the opiod crisis and our meds keep getting tighter restrictions where a bureaucrat determines what you can be treated with and not a doctor who knows your case. I find medical care bizarre, in a massive overshare I am looking at a clinic for a vasectomy and there was a video from a 23yo who tried to get a vasectomy and most places wouldn't touch him, he ended up needing a letter from his GP and a psychiatrist... But a 13yo can get an abortion without parental consent??? I believe if you are of reasonable age and a sound mind, you have the right to choose your treatment, and doctors don't have the right to not prescribe... Addicts would not meet that definition. My issue with what you are saying about the neuro chemical is that I agree, I had seizures for 25 years due to neurons getting stuck to the wall of my brain or something... But in the case of psychiatry as you say it's a dark room, if someone has a history of a point in their life where they weren't depressed or not bipolar, then every step should be taken to get the human machine back to its original wiring... Even the basics of diet, exercise, going outside, joining a club etc. Not saying there is a magic wand fix, but telling people who treat themselves like shit that they can be fixed with drugs is a joke..... I would totally support our government here tying our Medicare contribution to our BMI rather than our wages.. Which would mean I pay more Incy lifestyle changes are assumed to be part of the treatment. The problem is sometimes the motivation system of the mind breaks, and when that breaks lifestyle changes are not a realistic treatment as if the person had the motivational ability to make those changes, they would. It is cycle that you use drugs to jolt people out of the cycle, then therapy to guide them towards a better life. Then you phase out the drugs. Funny in the US no questions asked from me when I asked about a vasectomy. Told them I refuse to pass my genes on and this would be the easiest way to make sure I do not. Meanwhile my friend has endomitosis, which is the uterus lining deciding it wants to take a vacation elsewhere, resulting in crippling pain. She was told she could not have a hysterectomy unless she has a second child. One child was not enough they wanted her to have at least two before they do the hysterectomy, which is the only real way to treat this condition. One doctor insisted that the child's father have a say despite at the time there being no contact for 7 years. This is the US policy though, men complete freedom over their body, women, listen to your men folk.
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 1:31:53 GMT
Two of my cousins take the vaccine one take the Phizer one with no side effects and no super powers my other cousin take the modern or whatever it’s call and he have a little side effect can’t remember what was it I think a headache and something else. No super power either… Their 5G signal get stronger?
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Post by iNCY on Jan 7, 2021 1:48:24 GMT
I find medical care bizarre, in a massive overshare I am looking at a clinic for a vasectomy and there was a video from a 23yo who tried to get a vasectomy and most places wouldn't touch him, he ended up needing a letter from his GP and a psychiatrist... But a 13yo can get an abortion without parental consent??? I believe if you are of reasonable age and a sound mind, you have the right to choose your treatment, and doctors don't have the right to not prescribe... Addicts would not meet that definition. My issue with what you are saying about the neuro chemical is that I agree, I had seizures for 25 years due to neurons getting stuck to the wall of my brain or something... But in the case of psychiatry as you say it's a dark room, if someone has a history of a point in their life where they weren't depressed or not bipolar, then every step should be taken to get the human machine back to its original wiring... Even the basics of diet, exercise, going outside, joining a club etc. Not saying there is a magic wand fix, but telling people who treat themselves like shit that they can be fixed with drugs is a joke..... I would totally support our government here tying our Medicare contribution to our BMI rather than our wages.. Which would mean I pay more It took me years of pain and issues after having my daughter to even find a 'lady Dr' to approve a 27 year old me (who had already had her tubes tied and numerous laparoscopic surgeries) to approve a hysterectomy. As soon as I was healed the pain has never returned. That's awful... These days you could tell them you had reproductive dysphoria and you would get it and probably Government sponsored.
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Post by Gyro LC on Jan 7, 2021 2:04:49 GMT
Incy lifestyle changes are assumed to be part of the treatment. The problem is sometimes the motivation system of the mind breaks, and when that breaks lifestyle changes are not a realistic treatment as if the person had the motivational ability to make those changes, they would. It is cycle that you use drugs to jolt people out of the cycle, then therapy to guide them towards a better life. Then you phase out the drugs. Funny in the US no questions asked from me when I asked about a vasectomy. Told them I refuse to pass my genes on and this would be the easiest way to make sure I do not. Meanwhile my friend has endomitosis, which is the uterus lining deciding it wants to take a vacation elsewhere, resulting in crippling pain. She was told she could not have a hysterectomy unless she has a second child. One child was not enough they wanted her to have at least two before they do the hysterectomy, which is the only real way to treat this condition. One doctor insisted that the child's father have a say despite at the time there being no contact for 7 years. This is the US policy though, men complete freedom over their body, women, listen to your men folk. Probably because vasectomies are reversible.
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 2:12:03 GMT
Not entirely. I was told if I did it to assume it was not reversible as the reversal is complicated and does not always work. To prepare, they encourage you to donate your sperm for future use.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 7, 2021 10:22:46 GMT
Incy lifestyle changes are assumed to be part of the treatment. The problem is sometimes the motivation system of the mind breaks, and when that breaks lifestyle changes are not a realistic treatment as if the person had the motivational ability to make those changes, they would. It is cycle that you use drugs to jolt people out of the cycle, then therapy to guide them towards a better life. Then you phase out the drugs. Funny in the US no questions asked from me when I asked about a vasectomy. Told them I refuse to pass my genes on and this would be the easiest way to make sure I do not. Meanwhile my friend has endomitosis, which is the uterus lining deciding it wants to take a vacation elsewhere, resulting in crippling pain. She was told she could not have a hysterectomy unless she has a second child. One child was not enough they wanted her to have at least two before they do the hysterectomy, which is the only real way to treat this condition. One doctor insisted that the child's father have a say despite at the time there being no contact for 7 years. This is the US policy though, men complete freedom over their body, women, listen to your men folk. Probably because vasectomies are reversible. Yeah.. The official line is that it may be possible to reverse it, but not definitely. Also some young people have had their vasectomy undo itself... Embarrassing huh?
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 10:33:08 GMT
That is why I did not go through with it in the end. If it reverses itself you really do not know until a kid appears. Which would defeat the entire purpose of me wanting one.
From what I seen on reversals it is about 50-50 on the first once. If that fails a second one will give you an overall reversal rate of about 70 after the second surgery. Both are open ball surgeries.
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 16:06:29 GMT
Well, mom pretty much confirmed for COVID. She is off to the ER now. I am still fairly low grade symptoms. She has pneumonia though.
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Post by Jake on Jan 7, 2021 16:23:10 GMT
One family member has been admitted to a covid ward today, he has bad respiratory problems, and is on a high-level of oxygen at the hospital apparently. His entire household and another are in self-isolation now, they mixed (despite it being against the restrictions) before lockdown 3 had come into force. Every family has those fools who don't follow the rules I guess..
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 16:31:02 GMT
So people know, my mom was exposed five days ago and was fine three days ago. That is how fast it hit her.
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Post by iron maiden on Jan 7, 2021 16:35:05 GMT
Well, mom pretty much confirmed for COVID. She is off to the ER now. I am still fairly low grade symptoms. She has pneumonia though. I'm sorry to hear about your mom c. I have 2 friends' whose mom's are in the ICU with COVID too. I'll keep her in my thoughts and please keep us in the loop.
Take care of yourself too.
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 16:49:41 GMT
Compared to other issues I had COVID aint nothin but a little bitch. If I get it, I get it. Two weeks of being sick is nothing compared to a year of not being able to eat solid food living off less than 400 calories a day.
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Post by c on Jan 7, 2021 17:16:38 GMT
ER will not take my mom unless she is in imminent risk of death because their quarantine wards are full and it is too risky to treat regular COVID cases there. Good times with US healthcare.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Jan 7, 2021 17:52:11 GMT
ER will not take my mom unless she is in imminent risk of death because their quarantine wards are full and it is too risky to treat regular COVID cases there. Good times with US healthcare. Really? They don't consider pneumonia an imminent risk of death. What a fucked up ideology that is. Anyway, hope she pulls through c.
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Post by iNCY on Jan 7, 2021 18:55:25 GMT
ER will not take my mom unless she is in imminent risk of death because their quarantine wards are full and it is too risky to treat regular COVID cases there. Good times with US healthcare. Really? They don't consider pneumonia an imminent risk of death. What a fucked up ideology that is. Anyway, hope she pulls through c. It's not, unless you are having trouble breathing. With antibiotics most people can fight off pneumonia, it's only those whose health is already seriously compromised who struggle. All the best for your Mom c, it's worse watching a loved one struggle, than going though it yourself.
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