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Post by Shootist on Mar 18, 2020 18:35:59 GMT
Perpetually angry or crazy characters?
Jack Nicholson: "Yes"
He did make my initial list but was actually a rather easy cut.
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Post by Lionheart on Mar 18, 2020 20:51:39 GMT
Jack Nicholson was my favourite actor for a long time, and he's still up there. I've probably seen more Nicholson movies than movies from any one other actor. When I reflect on his roles, they are very similar characters, just in different settings. But then there are movies like The Bucket List, The Passenger, and As Good As It Gets when he changes it up a bit, and he's strong in all of them. Then there’s The Departed where he goes full ham and ruins the entire movie. Right, [mention]ut [/mention]?
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Post by The Kid on Mar 18, 2020 20:58:05 GMT
Wrong.
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Post by Ness on Mar 18, 2020 21:00:08 GMT
Why is this dude purposely not @ing @ people?
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Post by UT on Mar 18, 2020 21:08:41 GMT
Jack Nicholson was my favourite actor for a long time, and he's still up there. I've probably seen more Nicholson movies than movies from any one other actor. When I reflect on his roles, they are very similar characters, just in different settings. But then there are movies like The Bucket List, The Passenger, and As Good As It Gets when he changes it up a bit, and he's strong in all of them. Then there’s The Departed where he goes full ham and ruins the entire movie. Right, [mention]ut [/mention]? Never actually said that but sure.
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Post by Emperor on Mar 18, 2020 21:48:51 GMT
Why is this dude purposely not @ing @ people? His amazing phone app is letting him down. I tagged him in a VG&T thread and his amazing phone app told him it was System who tagged him.
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Post by Strobe on Mar 18, 2020 23:57:27 GMT
[mention]strobe [/mention]still hasn’t apologized to ME for abandoning our argument in the GoT thread and never replying again after I cursed him out for no reason and then apologized to him. Where is MY apology from Strobe!? I can't go throwing around apologies like 🤯 does likes. Please allow 5-7 working days. Which at the current rate might leave you waiting until 2021. In a hilarious and ill-timed quip, Shin made this post.Which pi of course liked. 🤯 liking a post instigating anything at all would be the best were it not for this from Shin in that thread you shared: "If you got a problem we can hook it up in a back yard to see whos for real bare knuckle bubba winner gets the rights to the video footage I'm not even playing you wont be the first fat goofy bastard ive embarrassed in a fight." I want Shin back. Forget ECW. VHS. SEGA. I want him back to cut promos like this left and right. Incredible post by the way, Big Pete . I did not expect such a fantastic and near-fantastical response to my query. Some get flack for playing the same character over and over but ya gotta admit it's an awesome character. Versatility can be overrated. You put Jack Nicholson in your movie because you want Jack Nicholson in your movie and you can tweak it. But then it can get to the point of self-parody... Then there’s The Departed where he goes full ham and ruins the entire movie. Right, [mention]ut [/mention]? And I do feel that way about The Departed, sort of. I do still enjoy it, but don't think it is some elite film. It isn't like I don't love hamming it up either. DDL as Daniel Plainview might be my favourite performance ever and that is as Big Ham as it gets. But Nicholson in The Departed doesn't work for me. And, unlike our boy @thekid, I am not all that high on Leo either. I haven't seen Infernal Affairs in at least a decade, but I do remember preferring it. Definitely one that requires a rewatch soon. ------------------------------------------- Since coronavirus will be giving people some more time at home and I know that you both like classic international cinema, Lionheart and Emperor , I highly recommend subscribing to BFI Player if you don't already. Incredible collection of some of the most highly acclaimed films. Bergman, Ozu, Fellini, Rosselini, Antonioni, De Sica, Dreyer, Herzog, Keaton, Godard. Only a fiver a month after a 14 day free trial. If you want to watch it on your TV though, you need to subscribe to it as a channel through Amazon Prime Video, meaning you need to subscribe to Prime as well (I imagine most people do at this point) and you only get a 7 day free trial from memory.
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Post by The Kid on Mar 19, 2020 1:04:00 GMT
And then he tags me incorrectly....
@strobeeeeeeeeeee!
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Post by The Kid on Mar 19, 2020 12:16:06 GMT
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 19, 2020 12:17:34 GMT
Gooooood moooorrrrnnnning, Peeeeeedddubbbyaaaaa!!!! [mention]Robin Williams[/mention]
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 19, 2020 12:22:23 GMT
Shit, in the midst of getting caught up, I see Jack ranks in at #5. I agree with thereallt comparing him to Al. Similar strengths, similar faults. I like Jack more overall, so OK with him ranking ahead of Al. About Schmidt, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Chinatown, As Good As It Gets, Something's Gotta Give, Easy Rider, Departed... It's crazy how he now has the second worst Joker in movie history. Also, can't believe you sexists are all done ranking ladies. No Lucille Ball!?!? For. Shame.
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Post by UT on Mar 19, 2020 13:35:06 GMT
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Post by UT on Mar 19, 2020 13:38:11 GMT
DDL didn't sniff my list , I recognize and appreciate the fact that he is all about the art and really excels at getting into a character and absolutely putting forth a stunning performance ... but with all this talk about one trick ponies ... he IMO epitomizes that to a degree. He has one tool in his bag , its an amazing tool and deserves to be applauded but I just rarely (if ever) go out of my way to see the new DDL movie. I mostly prefer actors that can go to a number of different genres or at least show different types of skills on screen and DDL isn't that.
I get him making the list and making it this high though.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 19, 2020 13:43:42 GMT
DDL didn't sniff my list , I recognize and appreciate the fact that he is all about the art and really excels at getting into a character and absolutely putting forth a stunning performance ... but with all this talk about one trick ponies ... he IMO epitomizes that to a degree. He has one tool in his bag , its an amazing tool and deserves to be applauded but I just rarely (if ever) go out of my way to see the new DDL movie. I mostly prefer actors that can go to a number of different genres or at least show different types of skills on screen and DDL isn't that. I get him making the list and making it this high though. Whoa. There's no way DDL is more one note than Denzel. But I also acknowledge he does lack that Hollywood It/X Factor, where I wouldn't build around him as my main event.
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Post by UT on Mar 19, 2020 13:54:06 GMT
He really is though , DDL has really one type of movie he can play and that's a movie that requires him to transform into a pretty iconic persona and be Mr. Oscar Actor.
Denzel can do that and get Oscars but he can also go the complete opposite way and play an action lead , a grizzled ex badass , he can play in a thriller or horror type movie. He spans many genres and is successful in most - DDL is not.
I'm just saying that if I were to tell you that you are going to make a movie , I wouldn't tell you the plot , the genre or anything about it but you had to pick an actor blind you would probably take Denzel over DDL because you know he has a broader range of potential success. Personally I think Robin Williams is the #1 draft pick in that scenario but DDL isn't close for me because if you land action , or comedy than you are fucked.
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Post by thereallt on Mar 19, 2020 13:58:33 GMT
Only reason DDL dosen't have more star power is he dosen't work often enough, as he has amazing charisma and stage presence. But as I said before every single movie he's in you can't take your eyes off him. He knocks it out the park every single time.
Method actors are often controversial and troublesome to work with, but DDL uses the method to perfection. No other actor really nails the details of their character the way he does.
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Post by thereallt on Mar 19, 2020 14:00:53 GMT
He really is though , DDL has really one type of movie he can play and that's a movie that requires him to transform into a pretty iconic persona and be Mr. Oscar Actor. Denzel can do that and get Oscars but he can also go the complete opposite way and play an action lead , a grizzled ex badass , he can play in a thriller or horror type movie. He spans many genres and is successful in most - DDL is not. I'm just saying that if I were to tell you that you are going to make a movie , I wouldn't tell you the plot , the genre or anything about it but you had to pick an actor blind you would probably take Denzel over DDL because you know he has a broader range of potential success. Personally I think Robin Williams is the #1 draft pick in that scenario but DDL isn't close for me because if you land action , or comedy than you are fucked. DDL can do action just fine, just watch Last of the Mohicans for proof of that. He dosen't take most of those roles by choice, not because he can't do them. Comedy on the other hand I admit is probably beyond his range unless it's black comedy, DDL EXCELS at that.
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Post by The Kid on Mar 19, 2020 14:03:07 GMT
HA! SUCK MY DICK DANIEL DAY LEWIS!
YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE TOP 3!
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Post by thereallt on Mar 19, 2020 14:05:53 GMT
HA! SUCK MY DICK DANIEL DAY LEWIS! YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE TOP 3! Top 4 with only 22 films under his belt is still pretty damn impressive.
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Post by Ness on Mar 19, 2020 14:10:02 GMT
Never seen him but his name sounds familiar. Least it ain't stewart.
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Post by UT on Mar 19, 2020 14:11:23 GMT
He really is though , DDL has really one type of movie he can play and that's a movie that requires him to transform into a pretty iconic persona and be Mr. Oscar Actor. Denzel can do that and get Oscars but he can also go the complete opposite way and play an action lead , a grizzled ex badass , he can play in a thriller or horror type movie. He spans many genres and is successful in most - DDL is not. I'm just saying that if I were to tell you that you are going to make a movie , I wouldn't tell you the plot , the genre or anything about it but you had to pick an actor blind you would probably take Denzel over DDL because you know he has a broader range of potential success. Personally I think Robin Williams is the #1 draft pick in that scenario but DDL isn't close for me because if you land action , or comedy than you are fucked. DDL can do action just fine, just watch Last of the Mohicans for proof of that. He dosen't take most of those roles by choice, not because he can't do them. Comedy on the other hand I admit is probably beyond his range unless it's black comedy, DDL EXCELS at that. I was talking more run of the mill action but sure , I know he chooses not to do that type of blockbuster but there is a place for them in cinema and roles tha movie stars shine. He doesn't have that ability which is more what I was talking about.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 19, 2020 15:46:32 GMT
I'll definitely concede the point to UT readily that Denzel is the more bankable commercial actor. Not that Denzel can't muster an epic art performance, but DDL is All art. I wouldn't want to see him in a blockbuster or comedy... Wouldn't feel right. Overall, I think DDL is like if you add up the chameleon factor of OG GO, the primadonna drama of Christian Bale, the (over?)hype of Meryl Streep, and divide by the project picky-ness of Marlon Brando.
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Post by Emperor on Mar 19, 2020 16:26:58 GMT
He really is though , DDL has really one type of movie he can play and that's a movie that requires him to transform into a pretty iconic persona and be Mr. Oscar Actor. Am I the only one who is mystified by this comment? What's your point? I kinda see where you are coming from. I have no particular fondness for Daniel Day Lewis because he doesn't feature in roles that interest me. He always goes for the epic, long-winded movies, and I guess that doesn't resonate with me. My Left Foot is boring. Gangs of New York is, not completely boring, but a lot more drageged out that it needs to be. There Will Be Blood is mostly boring. So our opinions are similar, but to twist that into suggesting that Daniel Day Lewis is a one trick pony makes no sense to me. You are saying that DDL has one kind of role he can play, and that's to play a great role that wins Oscars. Well, doesn't that make him a great actor? I don't understand how being able to play a variety of different roles and characters can be considered a one-trick pony in any sense of the word.
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Post by Lionheart on Mar 19, 2020 17:17:36 GMT
DDL didn't sniff my list , I recognize and appreciate the fact that he is all about the art and really excels at getting into a character and absolutely putting forth a stunning performance ... but with all this talk about one trick ponies ... he IMO epitomizes that to a degree. He has one tool in his bag , its an amazing tool and deserves to be applauded but I just rarely (if ever) go out of my way to see the new DDL movie. I mostly prefer actors that can go to a number of different genres or at least show different types of skills on screen and DDL isn't that. I get him making the list and making it this high though. DDL didn’t even make my list, but this comment is completely absurd. He only has one tool in his bag is not a complaint when that tool is...playing any character really well. A one trick pony actor means they can only play one type of role well, not all of them. You might as well have said that all he is able to do is act. This is surprisingly less sensible than a The Kid post.
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Post by UT on Mar 19, 2020 17:25:23 GMT
He really is though , DDL has really one type of movie he can play and that's a movie that requires him to transform into a pretty iconic persona and be Mr. Oscar Actor. Am I the only one who is mystified by this comment? What's your point? I kinda see where you are coming from. I have no particular fondness for Daniel Day Lewis because he doesn't feature in roles that interest me. He always goes for the epic, long-winded movies, and I guess that doesn't resonate with me. My Left Foot is boring. Gangs of New York is, not completely boring, but a lot more drageged out that it needs to be. There Will Be Blood is mostly boring. So our opinions are similar, but to twist that into suggesting that Daniel Day Lewis is a one trick pony makes no sense to me. You are saying that DDL has one kind of role he can play, and that's to play a great role that wins Oscars. Well, doesn't that make him a great actor? I don't understand how being able to play a variety of different roles and characters can be considered a one-trick pony in any sense of the word. I never said he wasn't great at acting , or transforming. My point being is that he really only does that and that's his choice to focus on those roles and obviously put out less movies. If other actors took that same discipline and were that specific in the roles they played I think they could have similar success. He is a one trick pony , he is great at that trick and celebrating for how great he is at it. Good for him but to me there are far more entertaining and overall appealing actors to watch.
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Post by UT on Mar 19, 2020 17:29:51 GMT
DDL didn't sniff my list , I recognize and appreciate the fact that he is all about the art and really excels at getting into a character and absolutely putting forth a stunning performance ... but with all this talk about one trick ponies ... he IMO epitomizes that to a degree. He has one tool in his bag , its an amazing tool and deserves to be applauded but I just rarely (if ever) go out of my way to see the new DDL movie. I mostly prefer actors that can go to a number of different genres or at least show different types of skills on screen and DDL isn't that. I get him making the list and making it this high though. DDL didn’t even make my list, but this comment is completely absurd. He only has one tool in his bag is not a complaint when that tool is...playing any character really well. A one trick pony actor means they can only play one type of role well, not all of them. You might as well have said that all he is able to do is act. This is surprisingly less sensible than a The Kid post. His one trick is (as Emperor said) epic , long winded movies. That's it. You know exactly what you're getting when the latest DDL movie comes out - yes he is great at that but he doesn't ever go outside of that box he made for himself. And that again , is a choice he obviously made as he appreciates the art side of the job but TO ME that doesn't make him one of the greatest ever.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 19, 2020 17:39:11 GMT
Yeah, UT is definitely making The Kid-style sense. But go easy on him, everyone; dude just got dealt some bad news. That would fuck with my head too.
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Post by The Kid on Mar 19, 2020 17:52:51 GMT
I don't understand what's wrong with The Kid-style sense since in shorter terms is actually just COMMON SENSE.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 19, 2020 17:58:21 GMT
I don't understand what's wrong with The Kid-style sense since in shorter terms is actually just COMMON SENSE. You should start a thread in OT for The Kid's Common Sense, and post one a day for discussion. Kinda like Chuck Norris/Vin Diesel facts back in the day.
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Post by Emperor on Mar 19, 2020 17:58:46 GMT
You do kinda know what you're getting when you see the latest DDL movie, but it's nothing like knowing what you're getting when you see the latest Adam Sandler movie. DDL's movies may have a specific "type", but that type of movie spans different genres, time periods, characters, and so on.
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