What does mando mean... it's a holiday to justify voting? Obviously they wouldn't want that here, but I'm intrigued by the civic duty in the air.

Not sure why that would be a bad thing for people to vote Batman. The idiots just removed themselves from the voting pool. Be far worse if they picked at random among the extreme candidates. You remove mandatory voting and you will quickly see politics start to be concerned with only certain groups simply because they vote more than others and with the rise of right wing media, will likely lead to the same situation the US has with your politics moving towards the extremes as only the most passionate people vote, and the centralists stay home.

Apr 10, 2022 15:58:58 GMT @ness said:

What does mando mean... it's a holiday to justify voting? Obviously they wouldn't want that here, but I'm intrigued by the civic duty in the air.

They have to vote or get fined Ness.  They live in a socialist dictatorship.  

No one wins in Australian politics, the otherside just loses.

Scott Morrison must be one of the most dimwitted individuals in politics. Anywhere in the world.

Little things, like deciding his work/life balance was more important than a national disaster. Actually saying that, then making his wife take the blame for it on national television after getting heat for it. After first handballing the entire thing as a "state responsibility" then finally returning to Australia, visiting burnt out communities and expecting a hero's welcome. Largely ignoring women and needing to "ask Jenny" if rape is bad. Then becoming a meme several times over having to defend himself against allegations he shit himself while drunk in a McDonalds. Oh, and Covid.. that's the "state's responsibility" not the Federal Government. And vaccines, he sold them instead of giving them to Australians.

But System is right. A lot of people will walk in there without any real knowledge on any real deciding factor. Or take it seriously.

Fringe Nut Jobs this year will vote for whatever independent is still pushing an anti-mandate/vax narrative. Country voters will vote Liberal/National because they think all left wing politicians are climate-change-pushing poofters out to steal their vast boomer fortunes away from them. The inner-city will vote Green because they don't live in the real world. And anyone comfortable with some real unashamed racism will vote One Nation.

Any discussion on any significant matters won't happen, as people have already made their minds up.

'Cost of Living' is the new battlefield. Which for a large part isn't a government issue, but a result of a lot of individual's splashing too much cash and spending wildly for too long on new houses, cars, entertainment and finally feeling the pressure lower and working class people have felt for generations.

Apr 10, 2022 15:45:52 GMT c said:

Should prove interesting. First Aussie election I will follow. Curious what the political fallout of the lockdowns and what role if any the trans drama will play.

Also love you the sheer variety of parties that are there. Know they all siphon down into greens, coalition and labor, but it is a lot better than our shit state of politics where we get theater and people are moving away from having platforms.

The main difference here is that we don't have term limits.
I stand by my theory that we never vote anyone into power, instead we vote people out.

ScoMo our encombent leader has the most appalling political instincts imaginable.
Albo the opposition leader is not much better with his folksy nature.

Unfortunately most people make their decision based on if they'd like to have a beer with the guy at a bbq and policy comes a very distant second.

You really get the vibe that people are angry and over ScoMo, really it comes down to whether they can stomach albo when it comes time to fill in their ballot.

I expect the minor parties to get their highest ever percentage of the vote... Not that it makes much difference because the preferences will almost always flow to one of the major parties. This is Labor's biggest risk that people vote minor parties without checking where their preferences flow...

Yeah ScoMo has been seeming a disaster. The goal post kicking during COVID should have damned him. Fox in the states aired attacks on him regularly at one point.

I have no idea who to vote for. Locally, it is difficult to really identify with any of the local candidates.

Usually there's a WASPY young Liberal or two (conservative) who is ususlly the son of a 4th Generation Dairy Farmer or Grower (old money) who speaks as if he's local, but was shipped off to Xavier College at the age of 12 and has never seen a pair of muddy boots. He's usually a puppet for the old man's collective of industrialists, pushed into running to tick boxes.

Usually there's a WASPY old Liberal, who claims to be local - by local, meaning they own several investment properties in the area and live in inner Melbourne.

The Left, aren't really Left here. They drop words like " equality " and " diversity " and pray that's enough to get them a vote, despite a lack of policy. And they're more populist than anything.

And then the independents here are usually fringe wackjobs, focusing on something like hunting, or shooting or motorsport and can't even articulate what they stand for and pick up a little bit from the left and a little from the right.

Apr 10, 2022 23:45:57 GMT c said:

Yeah ScoMo has been seeming a disaster. The goal post kicking during COVID should have damned him. Fox in the states aired attacks on him regularly at one point.

The problem with Australia is that the state premiers have more power than the Prime Minister.
ScoMo should have been more vocal at the disaster we had here in Melbourne.
What has been done to our state is a disgrace and we may never recover.
The vaccination rates were really high and we still didn't re-open... So many businesses died.

Even now in the Melbourne the busiest day in the CBD post-COVID is only 38% of the number of the people they had before Covid.
It's not sustainable and just about every lease that expires the business chooses to not renew.

This is also the Conservative base, hence the anger...
I know my views aren't shared widely on this forum... But in an era of inflation I am serious when I say regardless of who wins the next election I am incredibly nervous about our counties future.
I don't think either of the major parties have much talent, but the Labor front bench is incredibly underwhelming.

Apr 11, 2022 0:51:57 GMT NATH45 said:

I have no idea who to vote for. Locally, it is difficult to really identify with any of the local candidates.

Usually there's a WASPY young Liberal or two (conservative) who is ususlly the son of a 4th Generation Dairy Farmer or Grower (old money) who speaks as if he's local, but was shipped off to Xavier College at the age of 12 and has never seen a pair of muddy boots. He's usually a puppet for the old man's collective of industrialists, pushed into running to tick boxes.

Usually there's a WASPY old Liberal, who claims to be local - by local, meaning they own several investment properties in the area and live in inner Melbourne.

The Left, aren't really Left here. They drop words like " equality " and " diversity " and pray that's enough to get them a vote, despite a lack of policy. And they're more populist than anything.

And then the independents here are usually fringe wackjobs, focusing on something like hunting, or shooting or motorsport and can't even articulate what they stand for and pick up a little bit from the left and a little from the right.

Our left even though it is centre-left is a million mile left of the American Democrats, our conservative party is left of the Democrats when it comes to welfare.
I agree that none of the candidates are representative.
I am not a libertarian normally... But this is where I am: www.ldp.org.au/freedom
They have my vote... Even if they hold some power in the Senate, I would support it.

That's the other thing that happens in Australia, the independents get tamed by the Canberra bubblle, look at where Jackie Lambie started to where she is now...

Not hard to be left to our democrats. Every other country they would be moderate conservatives. Then again our rights is so far right these days, that Reagan, John McCain, Romney and the Bushes are all outsiders in the current GOP for being too liberal.

Come on Aussies....

votecompass.abc.net.au/

Apr 10, 2022 16:12:37 GMT c said:

Not sure why that would be a bad thing for people to vote Batman. The idiots just removed themselves from the voting pool. Be far worse if they picked at random among the extreme candidates. You remove mandatory voting and you will quickly see politics start to be concerned with only certain groups simply because they vote more than others and with the rise of right wing media, will likely lead to the same situation the US has with your politics moving towards the extremes as only the most passionate people vote, and the centralists stay home.

A lot of people also just write

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2
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On their ballots, so party listed first has an advantage too

The idea that the Greens are the absolute extreme top left of the spectrum is pretty absurd though. There are definitely positions more progressive than the Greens! Here's how politicalcompass.org had it set out back at the last election:



But it does serve a valuable purpose in that most Labor voters who fill it out get surprised that their views usually correspond much more closely with the Greens.

I agree and disagree @admin , because the Greens aren't a real alternate party, they have ideology and no plan to pay for it.
Labor is greens ideology at the point it becomes almost affordable.

Interesting to see Albo fall over the first hurdle though.
Up until today the popularity polls contained the sentiment of "Anyone but Scomo"
As we progress through the campaign we will test how much the sentiment of "Anyone" can be sustained.
Albo and ScoMo are both terrible politicians.

And unsurprisingly, this is where I sit:






@admin , are you leaning towards Labor or the Greens?
Please also note that I am socially left of the LNP which means I may have a soul.

Also interested to see where our international posters fall on an Australian political compass c,@ness, 🤯, iron maiden

Apr 11, 2022 5:18:04 GMT System said:

Apr 10, 2022 16:12:37 GMT c said:

Not sure why that would be a bad thing for people to vote Batman. The idiots just removed themselves from the voting pool. Be far worse if they picked at random among the extreme candidates. You remove mandatory voting and you will quickly see politics start to be concerned with only certain groups simply because they vote more than others and with the rise of right wing media, will likely lead to the same situation the US has with your politics moving towards the extremes as only the most passionate people vote, and the centralists stay home.

A lot of people also just write

1
2
3
4
5

On their ballots, so party listed first has an advantage too

Our political landscape would be radically different if voting was non-compulsory.
More than 50% of people who vote Greens think they are an environmental party, not knowing that they are essentially communists.

They have me just to the right of the ALP @ 56%.  Not sure what that means. Do you like me more or less now?

In the US extremely liberal. In aussieland have a whole party to my left on economics and would be socially moderate.

Love even if you hit you are not Australian it asks how likely people are to win in your district. I would hope people are not voting for them here, but then again, you never know with Americans.

Love the international submissions.
iron maiden with those sort of beliefs you'd probably be a teacher here.

Early contender for shock of the year is @admin being waaaaaaaaaay to the left of c.

Love it!

Not surprising to me. People really forget how far right US culture is on average. Hell it is still required that most children once a day in schools pledge alliances to the country and this is done until college, so until you are 19.

Apr 11, 2022 5:27:58 GMT @admin said:

The idea that the Greens are the absolute extreme top left of the spectrum is pretty absurd though. There are definitely positions more progressive than the Greens! Here's how politicalcompass.org had it set out back at the last election:



But it does serve a valuable purpose in that most Labor voters who fill it out get surprised that their views usually correspond much more closely with the Greens.

There are not many views more extreme to the left than the Greens, not outside open communists.

As for your other point, you may be right about the vote compass.
I got my Dad to do it, in his late 20s he was a card carrying member of the ALP and volunteered for the Whitlam campaign and is always complaining about "2 Bob millionaires".
He was fiscally closer to the LNP than ALP and socially more conservative than the LNP
He told me he will cast a blank ballot though as he could never vote for an LNP candidate... He also told me he couldn't vote for Shorten or Albo.

Maybe there isnt much Labor heart land any more with most punters falling either side.

Oops

Apr 11, 2022 12:36:51 GMT c said:

Not surprising to me. People really forget how far right US culture is on average. Hell it is still required that most children once a day in schools pledge alliances to the country and this is done until college, so until you are 19.

When I was a kid we did this pledge once a week in School assembly:

"I love God and my country, I honour the flag, I will serve the Queen, and cheerfully obey my parents, teachers and the law".

Ours was stand, face the flag, put hand over heart, and recite:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Did this every day at the start of the school. All classrooms had a flag to do the ritual. Punishments if you did not stand and face the flag as I was in a liberal area. Generally got detention for not standing or turning your back to the flag during the pledge. More conservative areas, were punished if you did not recite it. 60 years back in the south they would still switch you for not pledging, which is ironic as many classrooms also had the confederate flag up.

If you were doing anything patriot may have to pledge a second time, or stand for the national anthem, or America the Beautiful as well.  Song played expected hand on heart and face the flag.

By the time a student graduates you likely had pledged over 2000 times. Again we do this shit until from 5 years old to until we are 19. Part of what breeds the rapid patriotic responses American have towards the country.

I don't know enough about Australian politics to participate in this quiz the way it's worded.

Apr 11, 2022 13:43:19 GMT iNCY said:

Apr 11, 2022 5:27:58 GMT @admin said:

The idea that the Greens are the absolute extreme top left of the spectrum is pretty absurd though. There are definitely positions more progressive than the Greens! Here's how politicalcompass.org had it set out back at the last election:



But it does serve a valuable purpose in that most Labor voters who fill it out get surprised that their views usually correspond much more closely with the Greens.

There are not many views more extreme to the left than the Greens, not outside open communists.

As for your other point, you may be right about the vote compass.
I got my Dad to do it, in his late 20s he was a card carrying member of the ALP and volunteered for the Whitlam campaign and is always complaining about "2 Bob millionaires".
He was fiscally closer to the LNP than ALP and socially more conservative than the LNP
He told me he will cast a blank ballot though as he could never vote for an LNP candidate... He also told me he couldn't vote for Shorten or Albo.

Maybe there isnt much Labor heart land any more with most punters falling either side.

You have to remember once upon a time, the ALP's foundations were built on the labour/union movements of the late 19th Century. And notably for a very long time a continued and still standing association with trade unions. Thus having the ear of the working class.

Then the ALP's social democracy just became socialism at some point. And they've been a bunch of jokers since.

Just noticed those two charts really only vary on the origin and rotation. Both are manipulative since you control the scale you make a graph at, there is never any need to put a cluster at the edges unless you wish to make them appear as the most extreme possible.

FUCKING YES ADAM

He's not wrong.

Anyone got a link to the above test? I can't find anything just your results.