Thanks for reinforcing my point from above System - you can't rely on people to make all the decisions, because people are inherently stupid. :lol:

Was just at Woolworths in Kotara, panic buying of toilet paper has started in NSW again.


Really doubting other states are going to open borders again soon.

This also happened about 30 mins from where I live, also two stabbings in Waratah Village within a week.

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7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/authorities-at-sydney-train-station-intercept-traveller-from-victoria-with-covid-symptoms-c-1140192

NSW health authorities have blasted a traveller who took a train from Melbourne to Sydney despite showing COVID-19 symptoms and not waiting to receive her pending test results.

Authorities intercepted the woman at Sydney’s Central Station on Thursday morning, just hours after a public health order was introduced.

Under the order, residents living in Melbourne COVID-19 hotspots could face a maximum penalty of up to $11,000 and/or six months imprisonment for crossing the NSW border.

NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard said the state government had placed health staff at each of the airports and train stations to police the order.

This morning we found somebody with symptoms who had actually been tested in Victoria and then got on a train and came to Sydney,” he told reporters.

“Now, that’s about as silly as it gets.”





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Dan Andrews needs a high five... In the face... With a tyre iron

What an utterly incompetent piece of crap

Won’t be far behind you Vic.

There's no way around it mate, strap yourself in

Josh Frydenberg announces a relaxation of credit laws, because we cannot have the real estate bubble popping.
No meaningful reform though.

Kenneth Hayne's face said it all at the time his Royal Commission was released:

What is to stop a banking collapse due to increased risk of lending there?

Sept 25, 2020 6:02:51 GMT c said:

What is to stop a banking collapse due to increased risk of lending there?

The banks will do the right thing.




Oh wait, you mean these banks that we literally just fined a billion dollars for money laundering and accepting payments from customers with links to child exploitation?

And are of course too big to fail, because if they fail, they will take down the entire Australian economy, moving you towards the US hostage situation we are in with our banks basically.

Insane, you saw us make this mistake twice now, and are going to do it yourselves.

Sept 25, 2020 6:02:51 GMT c said:

What is to stop a banking collapse due to increased risk of lending there?

The banks here won't fail, I'm no fan of them but government legislation won't let them leverage like the US banks did.

What do we think of the budget people of Oz?

Oct 6, 2020 11:58:42 GMT iNCY said:

What do we think of the budget people of Oz?

This took me a good minute to realize that Oz wasn't Oz but Australia, and "budget people" weren't a type of people but just missing a comma.

Anyway, as an outside who feels like America has much room for improvement, how's Australia's budget break down? I'm guessing in some upsetting fashion if we're posting about it. How many F35s are yinz planning cost for?

It's a classic coalition budget - tax cuts as a shiny distraction (even though it's largely redressing things that were going to happen anyway, and benefit higher wage earners rather than the people who actually need them) and nothing on progression and innovation to actually move the country forward. What good is a tax cut to someone who lost their job?! And people who are comfortable are not going to spend their extra $50 a week, they're going to save it.

We know that the recession has hit women far greater than men - so instead of addressing areas that are crying out for assistances like aged care and child care - the focus is on manufacturing and construction.

There is no logic behind reducing the revenue base when this is a period when the government should be spending big to help the country through a difficult period. But by doing this, they can further other agendas, like privatisation of services.

The investment in fossil fuels and a reduction in renewables is an absolute disgrace - a shameless pandering to wealthy donors rather than doing the right thing by the country and the environment.

$61 million for chaplains in schools!

Oct 6, 2020 23:09:12 GMT @admin said:

It's a classic coalition budget - tax cuts as a shiny distraction (even though it's largely redressing things that were going to happen anyway, and benefit higher wage earners rather than the people who actually need them) and nothing on progression and innovation to actually move the country forward. What good is a tax cut to someone who lost their job?! And people who are comfortable are not going to spend their extra $50 a week, they're going to save it.

We know that the recession has hit women far greater than men - so instead of addressing areas that are crying out for assistances like aged care and child care - the focus is on manufacturing and construction.

There is no logic behind reducing the revenue base when this is a period when the government should be spending big to help the country through a difficult period. But by doing this, they can further other agendas, like privatisation of services.

The investment in fossil fuels and a reduction in renewables is an absolute disgrace - a shameless pandering to wealthy donors rather than doing the right thing by the country and the environment.

$61 million for chaplains in schools!

I love your posts @admin, I always enjoy the counter point! How's the haircut situation going for you? I'm about a week off clippering my whole head in frustration.

I am all about manufacturing as a way of driving the economy forwards.
These announcements don't actually reduce the government take, they just make it all up front, rather than depreciating assets they take the hit at day one.
I think you will find the under current of the budget is that they are reducing the reliance on property, they need to grow manufacturing to create a real workforce rather than the house of cards that is the property sector.

The issue with the budget short fall is that is over $200 billion was just from a collapse in takings.
So essentially the pie is shrinking and without intervention it will continue to shrink.
The government taking a smaller slice of income tax should allow the pie to get bigger again, it's not trickle down economy it is about stimulating confidence.
Matthias did an interview last night and he said if you want to save it fantastic, as it still boosts confidence.

I am all about fossil fuel funding, the renewable sector is the future but it is the far-off future.
Until storage is an actual thing, we will always need base-load power.
We have the best coal and uranium in the world, we should be using them here.
Pushing into renewables pushes the price of power up, that forces manufacturing to move to low cost countries in Asia where the power comes from burning dirty coal.
All that is happening by pushing renewables in the West is that emissions go down as manufacturing moves off shore for ZERO difference in global emissions.
We need nuclear power in Australia, I keep saying it!!
Renewables don't work as a cost effective power source until they can have 100% availability, otherwise you are running two entire power systems which costs at least twice as much.
I'm all for billions of dollars in R&D and investment in renewables and then rolling it out when it actually makes sense to do so.

So, my Minecraft knowledge actually comes in handy here. Renewal energy storage is actually here now. Molten Salt Plants can easily store energy, with the Solana Generating Station being the most famous solar plant using that tech. The downside is no one wants to invest in the construction of these sort of things, as they are super expensive, and extremely complicated to build, so cheap labor is not possible. Also insanely complex to design and run.

Also this sort of power, requires a different concept of energy production than most people think about. Here you will have to follow a generator to storage to usage path. Right now, we want all of these things to be kind of hooked to a grid where you can flow energy anywhere you want as you can always burn fossil burn to pump more power into the grid if needed. With renewable you need to much more concerned with load. But most plans are not all or nothing. It is to move to mostly renewal and burn if the storage plants get below a certain capacity.

But again, to move to this set up costs a lot of money and major energy groups are waiting for governments to pay them to create it so they get trillions of dollars in profit generating assets for free.

Oct 7, 2020 1:21:33 GMT c said:

So, my Minecraft knowledge actually comes in handy here. Renewal energy storage is actually here now. Molten Salt Plants can easily store energy, with the Solana Generating Station being the most famous solar plant using that tech. The downside is no one wants to invest in the construction of these sort of things, as they are super expensive, and extremely complicated to build, so cheap labor is not possible. Also insanely complex to design and run.

Also this sort of power, requires a different concept of energy production than most people think about. Here you will have to follow a generator to storage to usage path. Right now, we want all of these things to be kind of hooked to a grid where you can flow energy anywhere you want as you can always burn fossil burn to pump more power into the grid if needed. With renewable you need to much more concerned with load. But most plans are not all or nothing. It is to move to mostly renewal and burn if the storage plants get below a certain capacity.

But again, to move to this set up costs a lot of money and major energy groups are waiting for governments to pay them to create it so they get trillions of dollars in profit generating assets for free.

It's simply not financially viable.
It is insanity the way governments pander to the general public saying we can have cheap, reliable and renewable energy.
if we are lucky, you will get maybe any 1.5 of those 3 factors.

We have a cool system under way in Australia where we are using one the hydro plants to utilise excess demand to pump water back up to the top of the dam, but there is no magic formula, all storage includes losses.
Most of the articles pumped out by the media are really just manufacturing companies looking for VC.
The numbers they quote are pure wank.

insideclimatenews.org/news/16012018/csp-concentrated-solar-molten-salt-storage-24-hour-renewable-energy-crescent-dunes-nevada
When a renewable project looks viable it doesn't include the cost of construction more often than not, or even factor in that fossil fuel power systems exist.
The Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project is a solar thermal power project with an installed capacity of 110 megawatt (MW) and 1.1 gigawatt-hours of energy storage
Construction costs are around USD$ 1 billion plus availability of the capacity is only 58.9% (Such is the case with most solar systems at best)
Proposed coal-fired power plants construction costs are $2 billion for a new 600 MW coal plant
In 2018, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. residential utility customer was 10,972 kilowatthours (kWh), an average of about 914 kWh per month. Which my bad maths says is 1.25kw's per hour.
A 100MW plant could power with the capacity constraints : 49 homes


With technology the way it is now, I don't think renewable energy is anything but a trick of accounting.
Where it is viable, the government has chosen to make it so with tax credits etc.
Musk for example with the much fawned over TESLA is basically building machines off the back of the tax payer: insideevs.com/news/438345/tesla-428-million-carbon-credits-q2-2020/

The only way renewable energy works is at a micro level, let each house be subsidized for solar panels and reduce their reliance on the grid.
Even then, it is hard to make the numbers work.
I recently had my house quoted for solar panels (no storage) and the payback was 15 years, which is in excess of what I expect the life of the panels to be, or even how long I plan to live at this house.

We could make renewable energy a separate thread if you want?

And our lockdown is extended again... Ughhh...

At least my daughter goes back to school tomorrow.

Oct 11, 2020 1:05:07 GMT iNCY said:

And our lockdown is extended again... Ughhh...

At least my daughter goes back to school tomorrow.

Quit talking about corona stuff in the renewable energy thread...

Oct 11, 2020 6:02:43 GMT 🤯 said:

Oct 11, 2020 1:05:07 GMT iNCY said:

And our lockdown is extended again... Ughhh...

At least my daughter goes back to school tomorrow.

Quit talking about corona stuff in the renewable energy thread...

Shut up 🤯,or I'll jam coal up your pee hole

Oct 11, 2020 9:51:32 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 11, 2020 6:02:43 GMT 🤯 said:

Quit talking about corona stuff in the renewable energy thread...

Shut up 🤯,or I'll jam coal up your pee hole

First job was working in coal mining. All too familiar with the feeling. Not intimidated. My pee hole can handle coal.

Limestone on the other hand... 😬

Amusing to see support for Dan Andrews surging again now - not that it ever really dropped that far. 14 days of no new virus cases is a huge win for him and the lockdown. Feels like every time the right wing media "unleashes" another attack dog like Peta Credlin it backfires, they just don't have their finger on the pulse of the majority of the state.

Incredible how poor the Victorian Liberals are. 17% approval rating for Michael O'Brien - I'd be surprised if 17% of people on the street would recognise him if he walked right by them! Incompetent and clueless.

Credlin's a joke, who has illusion of grandeur, believing her influence is much greater than it really is. You're on Sky News darling, it couldn't be any more irrelevant in 2020. People don't cringe because she's an attack dog, they cringe because she's awful.

Nov 13, 2020 2:29:57 GMT NATH45 said:

You're on Sky News darling, it couldn't be any more irrelevant in 2020. 

I think you're really underestimating this - it's easy to write right-wing propaganda sources off as irrelevant and peripheral but that sort of attitude allows them to subvert which is really their goal.

SNA has built a huge audience on social media largely by capitalising on the Trump phenomenon - you should read this article.

Nov 13, 2020 2:40:28 GMT @admin said:

Nov 13, 2020 2:29:57 GMT NATH45 said:

You're on Sky News darling, it couldn't be any more irrelevant in 2020. 

I think you're really underestimating this - it's easy to write right-wing propaganda sources off as irrelevant and peripheral but that sort of attitude allows them to subvert which is really their goal.

SNA has built a huge audience on social media largely by capitalising on the Trump phenomenon - you should read this article.

In reality, there's only two 24/7 Australian news channels to my knowledge, Sky and ABC. Sky has obviously been on air for near 25 years.

As for its social media presence, well, hats off. Also two additional points for expanding to WIN regional on Free to Air, a genius move to capture the right wing rural voters.

According to :

tvblackbox.com.au/page/2020/11/13/thursday-ratings-nobody-competes-with-nine-as-jamie-oliver-bottoms-out/

Credlin last night pulled 56,000 viewers. The Simpsons reruns on Fox8 did +30,0000. The traditional 7 news did 943,000 viewers.

Foxtel mind you has 1.989 million subscribers apparently. So what's that? 3% of their subscriber base tuned in to watch Credlin rant. She's hardly starting a conservative revolution.

The whole point is that it isn't about the traditional TV ratings though - 56,000 viewers isn't a lot but 3 million daily Youtube views certainly are (even if the driver of the views is overwhelmingly US related rather than local). The other important thing is the audience they are hitting with digital, obviously a drastically different type of viewer than the one that has a Foxtel subscription. I bet if you go to the Youtube home page right now you'll see a Sky video listed as "news" even though it's right wing opinion - even if you've never watched anything from them before.

It's all about creating the echo chamber. Content, content, content:

Nov 13, 2020 1:55:54 GMT @admin said:

Amusing to see support for Dan Andrews surging again now - not that it ever really dropped that far. 14 days of no new virus cases is a huge win for him and the lockdown. Feels like every time the right wing media "unleashes" another attack dog like Peta Credlin it backfires, they just don't have their finger on the pulse of the majority of the state.

Incredible how poor the Victorian Liberals are. 17% approval rating for Michael O'Brien - I'd be surprised if 17% of people on the street would recognise him if he walked right by them! Incompetent and clueless.

I could not agree with that more.
We have some of the most objectively borderline criminal handling of a crisis and they guys popularity goes up... It has to be a reflection on the credibility of the opposition.
Hell, Jeff Kennet has landed more blows than O'Brien... Twitter is full of:
"HE TOOK US FROM 700 CASES PER DAY TO ZERO"

But ya' know he also took us from Zero to 700.
People in Australia are also immensely stupid... Consumer confidence is at a 7yr hgih.
The economy is a zombie, it's still walking around not knowing that it is dead.
JobKeeper and JobSeeker come off and.... *BOOM* down she goes.


And on SkyNews is may not tell the whole story all the time, but I don't think it is objectively any more partisan than the ABC.

I couldn't find where I posted about him before for some reason but it's great to see Pete Evans latest piece of douchebaggery finally catch up with him.