Jul 26, 2021 14:01:51 GMT UT said:

Also Big Pete , I found the whole rave scene stuff pretty fascinating , the idea that this festival planned to just never stop and offer all night raves to these kids who spent the day drinking and doing drugs in 110 degree heat as to never be able to truly recover is crazy. Moby is someone who I've NEVER cared for but I thought he had some great insight on the whole festival including the rave tents where he finally just said fuck it and left.

I just found it odd because they had the Spin Journalist and Moby talk about it, they showed 2 minutes of footage where nothing remotely crazy happened and then just moved on. I would have liked to have known what the promoters were thinking or if they could have somebody who attended talk about it because it sounded crazy and another thing that made the event different from the '69 event.

I think they just tried to portray the fact that these knucklehead , toxic frat boys were even going into that tent for the scene was crazy enough in itself. It shook Moby who obviously performed at a ton of shows and is used to a particular crowd and this wasn't it. I guess thats what I took from it.

The Moby stuff was just weird as he just wrapped up 3 years of doing technopunk shows. This was late 90's Moby. 99 he released Play but before that he was doing weird shows with awesome cover sets doing Rage Against the Machine, Beastie Boys, Mission of Burma, Sabbath and other covers, plus his own hardcore songs like Come on Baby, a crazy remixes of Drop the Beat and Next is the E, All I Need Is to be Loved, ect. He spent the last few years playing to this crowd. He did not really DJ much in the era as Moby, and only a few fans even to this day realized that he did DJ sets as Voodoo Child when he took Moby in a different direction from electronic dance music.

But yeah, fucking weird he took the stage at 1 am, then did songs off Play.  Weirder too, they like snubbed him almost all coverage.  His set was not played on the PPV, he was not on the plaque they had and was left off many of the discs.  Then again, he slammed the fest hard for the macho culture.

Was weird too they played Chemical Brothers music for the rave stuff, but Chemical Brothers played the main stage and not the tent.  

Jul 26, 2021 13:36:24 GMT nath45.47 said:

Jul 26, 2021 13:02:19 GMT c said:

By the same token, MTV was still playing videos and promoting the Nu-Metal scene.  It was not until a few years later the turn on them was complete.  But almost all of the bands at this concert were MTV made bands.  This is why it was not really seen as a revolt against MTV, but a product of MTV.  I mean, Rage, Korn, Limp, ect would be nothing without MTV, as all three were pretty damn small until their videos went into heavy rotation.  The whole concert felt like MTV books a concert with 80% of the bands being bands that were emerging on MTV's shows.  

I agree, the likes of Limp Bizkit were just breaking internationally during 1999 - Significant Other had just come out in June. Korn probably broke around 1997 with Follow the Leader - but didn't really become the ALMIGHTY Korn until around 1999. Rage, I don't considering them as part of the nu-metal movement. But regardless, nu-metal had legs well in the early 2000s before being replaced with hardcore/screamo/emo. 

All in all, these nu-metal bands were as mainstream as it gets at that point in time, they were played continually on 'Channel V' ( Australia's then, MTV like channel ) and mainstream radio had picked up Limp Bizkit, POD, Kid Rock, Staind, Papa Roach, Crazy Town. Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory was the best-selling album of 2001. Australia also had a huge alternative music subculture to the point it was mainstream with Triple J Radio, Rage (video show) and Recovery (alt-music entertainment show) on ABC TV. 

Woodstock isn't unique for Limp Bizkit though - and I'm talking as a former fan - The 2001 Big Day Out in Australia wasn't good for anyone involved either. There was a documentary on the BDO years ago. And it's a similar story, the energy changes, the aggression is amplified by the band, it's obnoxious overload in hindsight and it's a recipe for disaster. Of course, not all the blame is with Limp Bizkit again, they asked for a different stage set up to break the crowd up. But shit.. bad things sort of followed this band around for a short time. 

It's crazy how quickly it all evolved.

I got into the MTV scene around 1999 and it really was a bizarre melting pot of genres. Not only did you have that cross-section of teenage pop, nu-metal, california rock, eurodance etc. rap was making another resurgence through Eminem. I feel Eminem completely stole Marilyn Manson's thunder around this time in Australia and he became the boogeyman parents warned their kids about. At first it seemed like he'd be a gimmick, but then when Stan released and he followed it up with 8 Mile it cemented the genre here in Australia.

Eminem was one of the biggest acts of my generation and you can see the influence he had on musical tastes. Fans of Eminem would get into Dr. Dre through Dr. Dre they'd get into the NWA and it got to the point where guys would try to impress one another through Easy E recommendations.

If you weren't about that scene the fun loving Pop Punk scene was going through puberty. Those who discovered Blink 182 through their fun send up of the Backstreet Boys were discovering Adam's Song. Then Green Day returned with American Idiot and hit the mainstream with Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Jesus of Suburbia and Wake Me Up When September Ends. I think this opened up the doors for the emo generation which never really took over the scene in Australia but was certainly big among my generation circa 2004-06. As someone who was on the periphary of it, I feel like it spread because of the proliferation of instant messengers and early social media websites like bebo and MySpace. By expressing your angst openly on these platforms, you were gaining more attention and became an extension of your identity.

The Australian music scene was at it's worse around this time. This was an era where our mainstream bands just openly ripped off other bands and received significant airplay. Bands like Jet, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion even Powderfinger got in on the act would just steal from Iggy Pop, Elvis Costello, The Pixies, David Bowie etc. It was also an era where reality television was taking off so acts like Guy Sebastian, Shannon Noll, Bec Cartwright (-_-) took off. I don't feel like Australian music had much of a voice until bands like Cut Copy, Pendulum, The Presets, Midnight Juggernaughts, Empire of the Sun etc. started gaining traction and we sort of had this really fun wave of carefree music that made the future seem so limitless and exciting.

I do feel like there's been a wall set up between artists and fans. With MTV and Channel V moving away from journalism it feels like the community is a lot more divided with everyone hanging out in their own digital spaces. On one hand it's great because it's easier now than ever before to discover music but artists now really have to take it upon themselves to build a relationship with their audience.

Australian music did have a near God producing some of his best work in Nick Cave. Pity no one really plays him or promotes him.  Feel like he will only get the love he deserves after he passes.

Jul 26, 2021 17:04:05 GMT c said:

Australian music did have a near God producing some of his best work in Nick Cave. Pity no one really plays him or promotes him.  Feel like he will only get the love he deserves after he passes.

Nick Cave is pretty big here, not mainstream... But anyone who has ever listened to Triple J knows the Ship Song and Red Right Hand.

Hell I know nothing of music and I know Red Right Hand.

Jul 26, 2021 15:04:48 GMT Big Pete said:

Jul 26, 2021 13:36:24 GMT nath45.47 said:

I agree, the likes of Limp Bizkit were just breaking internationally during 1999 - Significant Other had just come out in June. Korn probably broke around 1997 with Follow the Leader - but didn't really become the ALMIGHTY Korn until around 1999. Rage, I don't considering them as part of the nu-metal movement. But regardless, nu-metal had legs well in the early 2000s before being replaced with hardcore/screamo/emo. 

All in all, these nu-metal bands were as mainstream as it gets at that point in time, they were played continually on 'Channel V' ( Australia's then, MTV like channel ) and mainstream radio had picked up Limp Bizkit, POD, Kid Rock, Staind, Papa Roach, Crazy Town. Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory was the best-selling album of 2001. Australia also had a huge alternative music subculture to the point it was mainstream with Triple J Radio, Rage (video show) and Recovery (alt-music entertainment show) on ABC TV. 

Woodstock isn't unique for Limp Bizkit though - and I'm talking as a former fan - The 2001 Big Day Out in Australia wasn't good for anyone involved either. There was a documentary on the BDO years ago. And it's a similar story, the energy changes, the aggression is amplified by the band, it's obnoxious overload in hindsight and it's a recipe for disaster. Of course, not all the blame is with Limp Bizkit again, they asked for a different stage set up to break the crowd up. But shit.. bad things sort of followed this band around for a short time. 

It's crazy how quickly it all evolved.

I got into the MTV scene around 1999 and it really was a bizarre melting pot of genres. Not only did you have that cross-section of teenage pop, nu-metal, california rock, eurodance etc. rap was making another resurgence through Eminem. I feel Eminem completely stole Marilyn Manson's thunder around this time in Australia and he became the boogeyman parents warned their kids about. At first it seemed like he'd be a gimmick, but then when Stan released and he followed it up with 8 Mile it cemented the genre here in Australia.

Eminem was one of the biggest acts of my generation and you can see the influence he had on musical tastes. Fans of Eminem would get into Dr. Dre through Dr. Dre they'd get into the NWA and it got to the point where guys would try to impress one another through Easy E recommendations.

If you weren't about that scene the fun loving Pop Punk scene was going through puberty. Those who discovered Blink 182 through their fun send up of the Backstreet Boys were discovering Adam's Song. Then Green Day returned with American Idiot and hit the mainstream with Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Jesus of Suburbia and Wake Me Up When September Ends. I think this opened up the doors for the emo generation which never really took over the scene in Australia but was certainly big among my generation circa 2004-06. As someone who was on the periphary of it, I feel like it spread because of the proliferation of instant messengers and early social media websites like bebo and MySpace. By expressing your angst openly on these platforms, you were gaining more attention and became an extension of your identity.

The Australian music scene was at it's worse around this time. This was an era where our mainstream bands just openly ripped off other bands and received significant airplay. Bands like Jet, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion even Powderfinger got in on the act would just steal from Iggy Pop, Elvis Costello, The Pixies, David Bowie etc. It was also an era where reality television was taking off so acts like Guy Sebastian, Shannon Noll, Bec Cartwright (-_-) took off. I don't feel like Australian music had much of a voice until bands like Cut Copy, Pendulum, The Presets, Midnight Juggernaughts, Empire of the Sun etc. started gaining traction and we sort of had this really fun wave of carefree music that made the future seem so limitless and exciting.

I do feel like there's been a wall set up between artists and fans. With MTV and Channel V moving away from journalism it feels like the community is a lot more divided with everyone hanging out in their own digital spaces. On one hand it's great because it's easier now than ever before to discover music but artists now really have to take it upon themselves to build a relationship with their audience.

Another genre that was the huge, was the wave of Australian alt-rock bands of the late 1990s. Jebediah, Superjesus, Killing Heidi, Regurgitator, You Am I, Something for Kate, Silverchair, Grinspoon, The Living End, Powderfinger were in that mix as well and so much more. If Brit Pop was the UK's answer to grunge, this was Australia's.

It feels like Woodstock 99 was the beginning of the end of content culture on a mainstream level for metal.

Jul 26, 2021 20:35:54 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 26, 2021 17:04:05 GMT c said:

Australian music did have a near God producing some of his best work in Nick Cave. Pity no one really plays him or promotes him.  Feel like he will only get the love he deserves after he passes.

Nick Cave is pretty big here, not mainstream... But anyone who has ever listened to Triple J knows the Ship Song and Red Right Hand.

Here only people into post-punk or photo goth know Cave, and mostly for Release the Bats or Mercy Seat.  Red Right Hand people may know as an Artic Monkeys song not a Cave song.  Even with goths, many know of Cave, but few listen to him.  I mean a few people I talked to did not realize that the Birthday Party really just became Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.  They just assumed after a few albums the proto goth band broke up.  

But yeah, dude is fucking legend.  It is crazy to here stories from people like Henry Rollins on meeting him in the 80's and being in awe of him.  He was like a God to everyone in the punk and punk related genres.  

This is one of the coolest things I think he has done, he takes questions from fans and answers them regularly on a blog.

www.theredhandfiles.com/

But serious, this is no mere man, but a God made flesh.

Jul 26, 2021 21:41:35 GMT Ed said:

It feels like Woodstock 99 was the beginning of the end of content culture on a mainstream level for metal.

Not really.  After this metal blew the fuck up when Mudvayne, Linkin Park and Slipknot hit the scene.  Many of the bands on the emerging artist stage here would go on to be on Ozzfests and their own tours.  We got shows about Gene Simmons and the Osbournes entered reality TV.   Metal peaked in the mid-2000's with everyone coming out of retirement for tours.   I mean Ozzfest 2005 was Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden.  Year before that was Ozzy and Judas Priest.    

I wouldn't even consider Woodstock 99' that metal. Really it was an amalgamation of a ton of genres. Pretty much every genre aside from country.

Reading this thread has been great advertisement. Gonna check it out.

Jul 26, 2021 21:57:42 GMT UT said:

I wouldn't even consider Woodstock 99' that metal. Really it was an amalgamation of a ton of genres. Pretty much every genre aside from country.

No, you're right, it wasn't all about metal. I remember other music being a part of it. I was just commenting on metal since Woodstock 99 makes me reminisce about that time in my life. I used to be a rap kid but, nu-metal was the start of the gradual shit to rock for me.

Jul 26, 2021 8:05:19 GMT c said:

Being a bit older, 99 was the mark were it felt like everything people love was taking from us, marked up and sold back to us. Rampant capitalism was back and everyone felt it. Local shops were replaced with chains, prices started to rise fast, people started to charge for everything. Fight Club was the ultimate movie that captured the feel perfectly.

It was peak DotCom bubble. In 99, I remember my AP Euro teacher bragging about his AOL stock and how it could only go up.

Jul 26, 2021 21:50:48 GMT c said:

Jul 26, 2021 21:41:35 GMT Ed said:

It feels like Woodstock 99 was the beginning of the end of content culture on a mainstream level for metal.

Not really.  After this metal blew the fuck up when Mudvayne, Linkin Park, and Slipknot hit the scene.  Many of the bands on the emerging artist stage here would go on to be on Ozzfest's and their own tours.  We got shows about Gene Simmons and the Osbournes entered reality TV.    Metal peaked in the mid-2000s with everyone coming out of retirement for tours.    I mean, Ozzfest 2005 was Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden.  Year before that was Ozzy and Judas Priest.    

Out of curiosity, when was the last Ozzfest?

Should also note they briefly mentioned the Y2K stuff as well. Which could play a part of the anarchy when too many people think the world as we know it is going to end anyways.

Jul 26, 2021 22:32:05 GMT Gyro LC said:

Jul 26, 2021 8:05:19 GMT c said:

Being a bit older, 99 was the mark were it felt like everything people love was taking from us, marked up and sold back to us. Rampant capitalism was back and everyone felt it. Local shops were replaced with chains, prices started to rise fast, people started to charge for everything. Fight Club was the ultimate movie that captured the feel perfectly.

It was peak DotCom bubble. In 99, I remember my AP Euro teacher bragging about his AOL stock and how it could only go up.

98 my physics teacher who was a stock market wiz was suggesting we invest in a small online bookstore saying it was the future.  He went in 100k shares at the IPO.  God I would have listened to him, his investment in Amazon is worth 120 million now.  Dude was a self-made millionaire investing in aerospace stock based on developmental tech.  He went all in on a company working on noise reduction devises while he was working on his PhD in math (had one in math, one in engineering and one in physics) and made a fortune.  Dude was something else.  Super smart, but super eccentric.  He had a counter in the classroom for how many days Goldberg went undefeated.  

Jul 26, 2021 23:11:10 GMT Ed said:

Jul 26, 2021 21:50:48 GMT c said:

Not really.  After this metal blew the fuck up when Mudvayne, Linkin Park, and Slipknot hit the scene.  Many of the bands on the emerging artist stage here would go on to be on Ozzfest's and their own tours.  We got shows about Gene Simmons and the Osbournes entered reality TV.    Metal peaked in the mid-2000s with everyone coming out of retirement for tours.    I mean, Ozzfest 2005 was Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden.  Year before that was Ozzy and Judas Priest.    

Out of curiosity, when was the last Ozzfest?

Ozzfest ran as a tour from 1997 to 2007.  Then it became a weekend thing or very limited tour after that with a bunch of years being skipped.  Ozzfest 2020 was cancelled due to COVID and 2021 due to Ozzy getting Parkinson's.  So last one was a one show event in 2018.  

After Ozzfest faded in the states, Mayhem Fest took it's place really.  That ran full US tours until 2015, but was to be revived in 2020.  Then COVID hit.  2020 was set to also revive Furnace Fest and Hellfest two other big metal fests.

Jul 26, 2021 21:31:52 GMT nath45.47 said:

Jul 26, 2021 15:04:48 GMT Big Pete said:

It's crazy how quickly it all evolved.

I got into the MTV scene around 1999 and it really was a bizarre melting pot of genres. Not only did you have that cross-section of teenage pop, nu-metal, california rock, eurodance etc. rap was making another resurgence through Eminem. I feel Eminem completely stole Marilyn Manson's thunder around this time in Australia and he became the boogeyman parents warned their kids about. At first it seemed like he'd be a gimmick, but then when Stan released and he followed it up with 8 Mile it cemented the genre here in Australia.

Eminem was one of the biggest acts of my generation and you can see the influence he had on musical tastes. Fans of Eminem would get into Dr. Dre through Dr. Dre they'd get into the NWA and it got to the point where guys would try to impress one another through Easy E recommendations.

If you weren't about that scene the fun loving Pop Punk scene was going through puberty. Those who discovered Blink 182 through their fun send up of the Backstreet Boys were discovering Adam's Song. Then Green Day returned with American Idiot and hit the mainstream with Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Jesus of Suburbia and Wake Me Up When September Ends. I think this opened up the doors for the emo generation which never really took over the scene in Australia but was certainly big among my generation circa 2004-06. As someone who was on the periphary of it, I feel like it spread because of the proliferation of instant messengers and early social media websites like bebo and MySpace. By expressing your angst openly on these platforms, you were gaining more attention and became an extension of your identity.

The Australian music scene was at it's worse around this time. This was an era where our mainstream bands just openly ripped off other bands and received significant airplay. Bands like Jet, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion even Powderfinger got in on the act would just steal from Iggy Pop, Elvis Costello, The Pixies, David Bowie etc. It was also an era where reality television was taking off so acts like Guy Sebastian, Shannon Noll, Bec Cartwright (-_-) took off. I don't feel like Australian music had much of a voice until bands like Cut Copy, Pendulum, The Presets, Midnight Juggernaughts, Empire of the Sun etc. started gaining traction and we sort of had this really fun wave of carefree music that made the future seem so limitless and exciting.

I do feel like there's been a wall set up between artists and fans. With MTV and Channel V moving away from journalism it feels like the community is a lot more divided with everyone hanging out in their own digital spaces. On one hand it's great because it's easier now than ever before to discover music but artists now really have to take it upon themselves to build a relationship with their audience.

Another genre that was the huge, was the wave of Australian alt-rock bands of the late 1990s. Jebediah, Superjesus, Killing Heidi, Regurgitator, You Am I, Something for Kate, Silverchair, Grinspoon, The Living End, Powderfinger were in that mix as well and so much more. If Brit Pop was the UK's answer to grunge, this was Australia's.

It's a genre that's never really gone away in Australia. Even during that period I mentioned bands like Eskimo Joe, Gyroscope, Operator Please, Faker, Thirsty Merc etc. would emerge. Then sometimes we'd adopt a band like Evermore as one of our own just like we did with Crowded House/Split Endz. It certainly wasn't as big but once Tame Impala hit the scene in the early 2010s I feel the scene has become really strong again. Unfortunately the festival circuit isn't what it once was, so these bands aren't getting the exposure they once did.

The biggest shame from that 2000s era was The Vines. They were right in the thick of that garage rock revival movement along with The Strokes, The White Stripes, The Hives etc. but their lead singer Craig Nicholls just imploded and networks refused to promote them or play their music.

Nick Cave is the Daniel Day Lewis of the Australian scene. He's revered but also a very mysterious figure who has little association with Australia and he handles his own press. However his name carries cache and a big deal was made about The Proposition being written by him and he's usually at the top of any list when it comes to good Australian music. It's just that hardly anyone could name you more than one or tww songs. I actually had a Nick Cave related question on my QCS test which is the Queensland equivalent of the VCE.

The question related to a rhythm he used and we had to detect the pattern based on the lyrics with only a couple of clues to go off of.

It's amazing, Big Pete The Vines were considered for a brief moment as the next Nirvana.

That didn't happen of course.

The Vines IMO were the closest any band came to capturing the lightning that was Nirvana. Such a damn good band with a killer debut in Highly Evolved. They suffer horribly in the states from people knowing their hits from this but not knowing they are Vines songs.

Like Nirvana, makes sense the band would implode.  Kurt also was a massive egoist.  

Jul 27, 2021 2:58:13 GMT c said:

Jul 26, 2021 23:11:10 GMT Ed said:

Out of curiosity, when was the last Ozzfest?

Ozzfest ran as a tour from 1997 to 2007.  Then it became a weekend thing or very limited tour after that with a bunch of years being skipped.  Ozzfest 2020 was canceled due to COVID and 2021 due to Ozzy getting Parkinson's.  So last one was a one-show event in 2018.  

After Ozzfest faded in the states,  Mayhem Fest took its place really.  That ran full US tours until 2015, but was to be revived in 2020.  Then COVID hit.  2020 was set to also revive Furnace Fest and Hellfest two other big metal fests.

You see, these days, I'm only aware of Earth-Day Birthday as an annual show. What'd the mayhem tour like?

Mayhem was basically Ozzfest without Ozzy. Would run the same places Ozzfest used to run, with the same bands Ozzfest would tour with. Slightly more hardcore bands on Mayhem, but otherwise not much difference at all, outside of one having Ozzy and friends.

Not even sure what music events are still going on or not these days since COVID seems to have cancelled almost everything and events announced keep getting postponed. Getting old only a few bands though I would still head out to see anyway.

Jul 27, 2021 19:10:34 GMT c said:

Mayhem was basically Ozzfest without Ozzy. Would run the same places Ozzfest used to run, with the same bands Ozzfest would tour with. Slightly more hardcore bands on Mayhem, but, otherwise not much difference at all, outside of one having Ozzy and friends.

Not even sure what music events are still going on or not these days since COVID seems to have canceled almost everything and events announced keep getting postponed. Getting old only a few bands though I would still head out to see anyway.

I was talking to my sister. Concerts are so expensive among above all factors. It's not like wrestling where you go to a show. You may enjoy 7/10 matches but, you can mangle during the other 3 matches or whatever else. At concerts, you have to sit through bands you may not like. While also paying for food, merch & parking. All of the things are draining.

Yeah that was made me stop going. Prices for fests in my area slowly raised from like 20 bucks to over 100. I had no issues sitting through bands I did not like, but the costs just killed me.

Jul 26, 2021 15:04:48 GMT Big Pete said:

Jul 26, 2021 13:36:24 GMT nath45.47 said:

I agree, the likes of Limp Bizkit were just breaking internationally during 1999 - Significant Other had just come out in June. Korn probably broke around 1997 with Follow the Leader - but didn't really become the ALMIGHTY Korn until around 1999. Rage, I don't considering them as part of the nu-metal movement. But regardless, nu-metal had legs well in the early 2000s before being replaced with hardcore/screamo/emo. 

All in all, these nu-metal bands were as mainstream as it gets at that point in time, they were played continually on 'Channel V' ( Australia's then, MTV like channel ) and mainstream radio had picked up Limp Bizkit, POD, Kid Rock, Staind, Papa Roach, Crazy Town. Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory was the best-selling album of 2001. Australia also had a huge alternative music subculture to the point it was mainstream with Triple J Radio, Rage (video show) and Recovery (alt-music entertainment show) on ABC TV. 

Woodstock isn't unique for Limp Bizkit though - and I'm talking as a former fan - The 2001 Big Day Out in Australia wasn't good for anyone involved either. There was a documentary on the BDO years ago. And it's a similar story, the energy changes, the aggression is amplified by the band, it's obnoxious overload in hindsight and it's a recipe for disaster. Of course, not all the blame is with Limp Bizkit again, they asked for a different stage set up to break the crowd up. But shit.. bad things sort of followed this band around for a short time. 

It's crazy how quickly it all evolved.

I got into the MTV scene around 1999 and it really was a bizarre melting pot of genres. Not only did you have that cross-section of teenage pop, nu-metal, california rock, eurodance etc. rap was making another resurgence through Eminem. I feel Eminem completely stole Marilyn Manson's thunder around this time in Australia and he became the boogeyman parents warned their kids about. At first it seemed like he'd be a gimmick, but then when Stan released and he followed it up with 8 Mile it cemented the genre here in Australia.

Eminem was one of the biggest acts of my generation and you can see the influence he had on musical tastes. Fans of Eminem would get into Dr. Dre through Dr. Dre they'd get into the NWA and it got to the point where guys would try to impress one another through Easy E recommendations.

If you weren't about that scene the fun loving Pop Punk scene was going through puberty. Those who discovered Blink 182 through their fun send up of the Backstreet Boys were discovering Adam's Song. Then Green Day returned with American Idiot and hit the mainstream with Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Jesus of Suburbia and Wake Me Up When September Ends. I think this opened up the doors for the emo generation which never really took over the scene in Australia but was certainly big among my generation circa 2004-06. As someone who was on the periphary of it, I feel like it spread because of the proliferation of instant messengers and early social media websites like bebo and MySpace. By expressing your angst openly on these platforms, you were gaining more attention and became an extension of your identity.

The Australian music scene was at it's worse around this time. This was an era where our mainstream bands just openly ripped off other bands and received significant airplay. Bands like Jet, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion even Powderfinger got in on the act would just steal from Iggy Pop, Elvis Costello, The Pixies, David Bowie etc. It was also an era where reality television was taking off so acts like Guy Sebastian, Shannon Noll, Bec Cartwright (-_-) took off. I don't feel like Australian music had much of a voice until bands like Cut Copy, Pendulum, The Presets, Midnight Juggernaughts, Empire of the Sun etc. started gaining traction and we sort of had this really fun wave of carefree music that made the future seem so limitless and exciting.

I do feel like there's been a wall set up between artists and fans. With MTV and Channel V moving away from journalism it feels like the community is a lot more divided with everyone hanging out in their own digital spaces. On one hand it's great because it's easier now than ever before to discover music but artists now really have to take it upon themselves to build a relationship with their audience.

I have to call you out on this one, late 90s is sort of the music that defined my generation.
I completely despise Australian Pub Music, which historically was Cold Chisel, Ice House, Aussie Crawl etc.
There have always been bands like Powder finger who were looking to ride the mainstream to financial success with nondescript music, but the 90s were pretty big in Aussie music. Just from memory:

Silverchair, The Whitlams, Spiderbait, Regurgitator, Frenzel Rhomb, You Am I etc.

iNCY Back in the 90s I got a random Australian band's CD from one of the music clubs. I liked it but the name made me laugh. The band was "Reach Around." :lol: Did that have a different meaning in Australia at the time?

Jul 27, 2021 22:10:23 GMT Gyro LC said:

iNCY Back in the 90s I got a random Australian band's CD from one of the music clubs. I liked it but the name made me laugh. The band was "Reach Around." :lol: Did that have a different meaning in Australia at the time?

I don't know the band, but you should never underestimate the Australian preference for casual profanity.
One of the things that shocks overseas visitors from the USA the most is hearing women in the work place drop F and C bombs while describing something as inoffensive as the weather.

I have the Triple J hottest 100 CD from about 1995 and this song features high up the list:

Jul 27, 2021 20:52:39 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 26, 2021 15:04:48 GMT Big Pete said:

It's crazy how quickly it all evolved.

I got into the MTV scene around 1999 and it really was a bizarre melting pot of genres. Not only did you have that cross-section of teenage pop, nu-metal, california rock, eurodance etc. rap was making another resurgence through Eminem. I feel Eminem completely stole Marilyn Manson's thunder around this time in Australia and he became the boogeyman parents warned their kids about. At first it seemed like he'd be a gimmick, but then when Stan released and he followed it up with 8 Mile it cemented the genre here in Australia.

Eminem was one of the biggest acts of my generation and you can see the influence he had on musical tastes. Fans of Eminem would get into Dr. Dre through Dr. Dre they'd get into the NWA and it got to the point where guys would try to impress one another through Easy E recommendations.

If you weren't about that scene the fun loving Pop Punk scene was going through puberty. Those who discovered Blink 182 through their fun send up of the Backstreet Boys were discovering Adam's Song. Then Green Day returned with American Idiot and hit the mainstream with Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Jesus of Suburbia and Wake Me Up When September Ends. I think this opened up the doors for the emo generation which never really took over the scene in Australia but was certainly big among my generation circa 2004-06. As someone who was on the periphary of it, I feel like it spread because of the proliferation of instant messengers and early social media websites like bebo and MySpace. By expressing your angst openly on these platforms, you were gaining more attention and became an extension of your identity.

The Australian music scene was at it's worse around this time. This was an era where our mainstream bands just openly ripped off other bands and received significant airplay. Bands like Jet, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion even Powderfinger got in on the act would just steal from Iggy Pop, Elvis Costello, The Pixies, David Bowie etc. It was also an era where reality television was taking off so acts like Guy Sebastian, Shannon Noll, Bec Cartwright (-_-) took off. I don't feel like Australian music had much of a voice until bands like Cut Copy, Pendulum, The Presets, Midnight Juggernaughts, Empire of the Sun etc. started gaining traction and we sort of had this really fun wave of carefree music that made the future seem so limitless and exciting.

I do feel like there's been a wall set up between artists and fans. With MTV and Channel V moving away from journalism it feels like the community is a lot more divided with everyone hanging out in their own digital spaces. On one hand it's great because it's easier now than ever before to discover music but artists now really have to take it upon themselves to build a relationship with their audience.

I have to call you out on this one, late 90s is sort of the music that defined my generation.
I completely despise Australian Pub Music, which historically was Cold Chisel, Ice House, Aussie Crawl etc.
There have always been bands like Powder finger who were looking to ride the mainstream to financial success with nondescript music, but the 90s were pretty big in Aussie music. Just from memory:

Silverchair, The Whitlams, Spiderbait, Regurgitator, Frenzel Rhomb, You Am I etc.

I was talking about how much evolved after this 1999-2001 era and how specifically what came afterwards from Australia was pretty forgettable especially after what came before.

I actually like Powderfinger and felt during that period they had found their own sound with Internationalist and Odyssey Number 5. Then they released On Your Mind as the opening single of 2003's Vulture Street and the opening riff is straight off of Suffragette City. It seemed to define that era where a lot of copycat bands like Jet, Wolfmother, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion etc. rose to prominence.

That 1999-01 era was a ton of fun for Australian music but there was this pregnant pause and they didn't really speak for their generation until 2007/08 when all the electro stuff started taking off.