Goddammit, UT. Fix the apostrophe in your thread title!

Jul 28, 2021 14:49:53 GMT 🤯 said:

Goddammit, UT . Fix the apostrophe in your thread title!

www.grunge.com/462539/messed-up-things-that-happened-at-woodstock-99/

Jul 29, 2021 0:30:41 GMT nath45.47 said:

www.grunge.com/462539/messed-up-things-that-happened-at-woodstock-99/

I originally read too fast and read this link as "462,539 messed up things that happened at Woodstock '99".

Jul 29, 2021 0:37:03 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 29, 2021 0:30:41 GMT nath45.47 said:

www.grunge.com/462539/messed-up-things-that-happened-at-woodstock-99/

I originally read too fast and read this link as "462,539 messed up things that happened at Woodstock '99".

Probably not far from the real ' messed up ' tally

Isolation has been hard on the founder of wikileaks.

Jul 28, 2021 6:55:01 GMT Big Pete said:

Jul 27, 2021 20:52:39 GMT iNCY said:

I have to call you out on this one, late 90s is sort of the music that defined my generation.
I completely despise Australian Pub Music, which historically was Cold Chisel, Ice House, Aussie Crawl etc.
There have always been bands like Powder finger who were looking to ride the mainstream to financial success with nondescript music, but the 90s were pretty big in Aussie music. Just from memory:

Silverchair, The Whitlams, Spiderbait, Regurgitator, Frenzel Rhomb, You Am I etc.

I was talking about how much evolved after this 1999-2001 era and how specifically what came afterwards from Australia was pretty forgettable especially after what came before.

I actually like Powderfinger and felt during that period they had found their own sound with Internationalist and Odyssey Number 5. Then they released On Your Mind as the opening single of 2003's Vulture Street and the opening riff is straight off of Suffragette City. It seemed to define that era where a lot of copycat bands like Jet, Wolfmother, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion etc. rose to prominence.

That 1999-01 era was a ton of fun for Australian music but there was this pregnant pause and they didn't really speak for their generation until 2007/08 when all the electro stuff started taking off.

Powderfinger to me is just middle of the road, nondescript white noise.
DAF and I'll be the one were good, then everything afterwards was the same song again and again.
Same reason I have no time for Coldplay or Maroon Five.

Jul 29, 2021 2:47:56 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 28, 2021 6:55:01 GMT Big Pete said:

I was talking about how much evolved after this 1999-2001 era and how specifically what came afterwards from Australia was pretty forgettable especially after what came before.

I actually like Powderfinger and felt during that period they had found their own sound with Internationalist and Odyssey Number 5. Then they released On Your Mind as the opening single of 2003's Vulture Street and the opening riff is straight off of Suffragette City. It seemed to define that era where a lot of copycat bands like Jet, Wolfmother, Rogue Traders, End of Fashion etc. rose to prominence.

That 1999-01 era was a ton of fun for Australian music but there was this pregnant pause and they didn't really speak for their generation until 2007/08 when all the electro stuff started taking off.

Powderfinger to me is just middle of the road, nondescript white noise.
DAF and I'll be the one were good, then everything afterwards was the same song again and again.
Same reason I have no time for Coldplay or Maroon Five.

They were a radio friendly band, but These Days and My Happiness had different tones and structures. They complimented the scene nicely and had their own distinct noise as compared to bands that came after who simply took popular 70s/80s tracks and reworked them slightly to get hits.

The Coldplay and Maroon 5 comparison is doing my head in. Outside of being played on the radio, I don't think any of the bands have much in common or even represent the same things.

Yeah I'm not seeing the "all songs sound the same" criticism of Powderfinger at all. They were definitely never the coolest cutting edge band (although to be fair they're still the only act to top the Hottest 100 twice!) but there was definitely a trajectory and relatively distinct changes/influences on basically all of their albums.

Maybe it's just Fannings vocal range, it all sounds the same to me.
But I have a genuine dislike for middle of the road radio friendly soft rock.

Jul 29, 2021 4:49:51 GMT iNCY said:

Maybe it's just Fannings vocal range, it all sounds the same to me.
But I have a genuine dislike for middle of the road radio friendly soft rock.

It's also incredibly easy to dislike Fanning.

Jul 29, 2021 7:23:57 GMT nath45.47 said:

Jul 29, 2021 4:49:51 GMT iNCY said:

Maybe it's just Fannings vocal range, it all sounds the same to me.
But I have a genuine dislike for middle of the road radio friendly soft rock.

It's also incredibly easy to dislike Fanning.

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Granted I only listened to him on Channel V but he always came across like a typical Aussie bloke.

Bringing this back around but did they cover how the bands were treated on the show? All we got was that some of the acts felt a bad vibe from the crowd but it seems like they were really motivated and put in some great performances.

They did not get into the fans shitting on the acts really outside of the some of the girls mentioning it briefly. Believe it was Sheryl Crow who said this was a the worst crowd she ever played for though elsewhere. Some of the bands did not really have an issue with the crowd as these were their people but other bands were treated like shit by the fans and the media.

Jul 29, 2021 7:29:15 GMT Big Pete said:

Jul 29, 2021 7:23:57 GMT nath45.47 said:

It's also incredibly easy to dislike Fanning.

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Granted I only listened to him on Channel V but he always came across like a typical Aussie bloke.

I always found that to be true up until the early to mid 2000s. Then there was a pompousness that couldn't be justified with his level of fame.

Like wrestlers.. with Australian musicians, as famous as you think you are, you've never really that famous. 

Jul 29, 2021 9:15:20 GMT c said:

They did not get into the fans shitting on the acts really outside of the some of the girls mentioning it briefly. Believe it was Sheryl Crow who said this was a the worst crowd she ever played for though elsewhere. Some of the bands did not really have an issue with the crowd as these were their people but other bands were treated like shit by the fans and the media.

I meant more behind the scenes, we didn't really get to see how well looked after the musicians were and whether there was any dramas.

Those usually make the best stories with bands having run-ins with other bands or storming off stage because of some ruckus. Marilyn Manson at one of the BDOs infamously walked off stage after somebody threw a bottle at one of his guitarist and then slashed this pool they had set-up backstage and flooded everything. Nobody knew who the 'female culprit' was until the organisers put two and two together.

Jul 29, 2021 12:23:10 GMT Big Pete said:

Jul 29, 2021 9:15:20 GMT c said:

They did not get into the fans shitting on the acts really outside of the some of the girls mentioning it briefly. Believe it was Sheryl Crow who said this was a the worst crowd she ever played for though elsewhere. Some of the bands did not really have an issue with the crowd as these were their people but other bands were treated like shit by the fans and the media.

I meant more behind the scenes, we didn't really get to see how well looked after the musicians were and whether there was any dramas.

Those usually make the best stories with bands having run-ins with other bands or storming off stage because of some ruckus. Marilyn Manson at one of the BDOs infamously walked off stage after somebody threw a bottle at one of his guitarist and then slashed this pool they had set-up backstage and flooded everything. Nobody knew who the 'female culprit' was until the organisers put two and two together.

I'm going to guess it was Courtney Love? 

My favorite part of the documentary is the EMT talking about what he witnessed when he was working it.

At least that's what I'm supposed to say since he's one of the actual higher up supervisors at my job. LOL!

I find this song sums up the late 90s and early 2000s music scene pretty well.

Jul 29, 2021 12:44:44 GMT nath45.47 said:

Jul 29, 2021 12:23:10 GMT Big Pete said:

I meant more behind the scenes, we didn't really get to see how well looked after the musicians were and whether there was any dramas.

Those usually make the best stories with bands having run-ins with other bands or storming off stage because of some ruckus. Marilyn Manson at one of the BDOs infamously walked off stage after somebody threw a bottle at one of his guitarist and then slashed this pool they had set-up backstage and flooded everything. Nobody knew who the 'female culprit' was until the organisers put two and two together.

I'm going to guess it was Courtney Love? 

She was so nasty at the big day out, flopping her sad titties out like it was controversial and the crowd booed her.

We didn't get Woodstock but the big day out got crazy at times, I never went, wish I did.

Jul 29, 2021 12:44:44 GMT nath45.47 said:

Jul 29, 2021 12:23:10 GMT Big Pete said:

I meant more behind the scenes, we didn't really get to see how well looked after the musicians were and whether there was any dramas.

Those usually make the best stories with bands having run-ins with other bands or storming off stage because of some ruckus. Marilyn Manson at one of the BDOs infamously walked off stage after somebody threw a bottle at one of his guitarist and then slashed this pool they had set-up backstage and flooded everything. Nobody knew who the 'female culprit' was until the organisers put two and two together.

I'm going to guess it was Courtney Love? 

Close.

Jul 30, 2021 12:38:48 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 29, 2021 12:44:44 GMT nath45.47 said:

I'm going to guess it was Courtney Love? 

She was so nasty at the big day out, flopping her sad titties out like it was controversial and the crowd booed her.

We didn't get Woodstock but the big day out got crazy at times, I never went, wish I did.

I heard the Big Day Outs used to be really good late 90s/early 00s. Then around the time they were doing record business they just became too over-crowded and filled with dickheads who were just causing trouble. They had great line-ups, but my experience at the BDO was so much better at one of the last ones presumably because Soundwave and Future had swallowed most of that crowd up.

Rewatched this doco has it popped up on Foxtel. We've unpacked Woodstock, but is there a documentary that unpacks the culture of that time? Or what led to " 1999 " ?

To me, Woodstock is where shit hits the fan, but that culture doesn't just pop up over night.

Not that I seen. Most deal with alternative rock and grunge or the decline of corporate music in the late 2010's. None I found at least deal with the co-opting of the alternative DIY scene then selling it back to fans for mass profit.

Closest thing I seen was Turn It Around: The Story of East Bay Punk that touched on how bands walked away because things were getting too much about profit or got too big to play in front of their fans anymore. Fugazi's breakup and transformation of Sweet Children to Green Day were talked about. As was how the scene got too big to keep in basements and yards, and had to move to venues where a lot of the charm was lost.

One thing not entirely mentioned is the cost of tickets were about $180 after service charges in 99. Normal shows I was going to then were $20 to $25. In this area shows were promoted 20 bands for 20 bucks, with shows going from 10am to 12pm. The people who paid to go to Woodstock 99 either realized they were getting shafted or were fucking stupid. A lot of people also did not pay and just went through the fence, which is what my friends did. I only wanted to see bands playing the 2am time slots so I stayed home since my friends wanted no part of that.

Mar 8, 2023 20:19:36 GMT c said:

Not that I seen. Most deal with alternative rock and grunge or the decline of corporate music in the late 2010's. None I found at least deal with the co-opting of the alternative DIY scene then selling it back to fans for mass profit.

Closest thing I seen was Turn It Around: The Story of East Bay Punk that touched on how bands walked away because things were getting too much about profit or got too big to play in front of their fans anymore. Fugazi's breakup and transformation of Sweet Children to Green Day were talked about. As was how the scene got too big to keep in basements and yards, and had to move to venues where a lot of the charm was lost.

One thing not entirely mentioned is the cost of tickets were about $180 after service charges in 99. Normal shows I was going to then were $20 to $25. In this area shows were promoted 20 bands for 20 bucks, with shows going from 10am to 12pm. The people who paid to go to Woodstock 99 either realized they were getting shafted or were fucking stupid. A lot of people also did not pay and just went through the fence, which is what my friends did. I only wanted to see bands playing the 2am time slots so I stayed home since my friends wanted no part of that.

Got any examples to feed me?

Hype!, The Punk Singer, Decline of Western Civilization (80's), Turn It Around, Better Living Through Circuitry (rave)
come to mind fast. The spoken album Get in the Van is fantastic as well, deals with Rollin's joining Black Flag and what it was like touring as one of the early hardcore bands.

nath45.47 , looking for a film name for Ness, ran into Underground Inc, The Rise and Fall of Alternative Rock. This may get close to what you are looking for, about the fast success of Alt Rock, then how suddenly it was gone.

Also announced last month a large documentary on Lollapalooza is coming.

www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lollapalooza-festival-music-documentary-paramount-plus-1234672099/

Perfect, thanks c

There was a punk documentary series recently talking in depth on the rise of mainstream punk in the 1990s. A lot of good insight from Fat Mike, Mike Ness, Billie-Joe, Josh Homme, etc.

I was really trying to find something on that culture of 1999. A lot of documentaries talk about " da culture " of misogynist, frat boy behaviour that is at the core of Woodstock 99. As we've discussed here, that era saw a lot of envelope pushing content - Nu Metal, South Park, Jerry Springer, Howard Stern, I remember " OMG Marilyn Manson " being a thing, and there was alot of late night cable like shows aimed at young men, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, etc.

As the Woodstock doco talks about, how in 5 years did we go from the progressive Grunge and Alt Rock movements (I remember a lot of Teen shows tackling " big issues") to the culture on display at Woodstock 99.

Understandably, we are talking about two different generations - obviously late Gen X vs the early Gen Z.

Ah, the Shore attitude. No clue for docs on that. But yeah shit went from peace and love, to chaos and destruction REAL fast in the 90's. Huge part of the change was things going from college radio and small venues driving culture to MTV driving culture. And MTV pushed a lot of the same shore attitude and teenage angst stuff in the late 90's.

That was a point made for and against MTV in the Woodstock doco. MTV became such a driving force on pop culture by 1998/99, it was then (alleged by the Woodstock organisers) able to essentially control the narrative, portraying Woodstock 99 as a shitshow, when the organisers claimed " it wasn't that bad "