Everyone knows the cliché dream matches: Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Goldberg, vs. Hogan, vs. Cena, vs. Punk, vs. Lesnar; Undertaker vs. Sting; etc. etc. etc.

But I want to know what are some of your personal offbeat dream matches? Bonus points if there's a chance they could've actually happened (i.e., wrestlers involved were actually alive and in decent enough shape at overlapping times) and even more bonus points if you care to elaborate on how you'd book the build and/or match itself.

This idea was prompted by thinking it's a shame I'll never get to see T&A vs. Fire & Ice, and it's even a kick in the nuts that we didn't get T&A vs. Kronik in 2001.

Here's another one...

Did Pillman vs. Waltman ever happen anywhere?

Two monster mashups that could've been so bad they'd surely have been great:

1993: Giant Gonzalez (w/ Harvey Wippleman & Kim Chee) vs. Kamala (w/ Slick)

2007: Umaga (w/ Armando Alejandro Estrada) vs. The Great Khali

Umaga vs Khali would not be very good. Like Umaga needed someone to take his offense and Khali would never be that guy.

Taz vs Umaga would be fun, kind of like the BBB stuff only better.

I always wanted to see The Rock and Lita vs HHH and Steph back in 2000.

It was meant to happen but then we got the infamous Trips/Trish segment on Smackdown, when they were meant to be teaming against Y2J/Lita, then Trips walked out after Stephanie caught them. Then on Raw Foley booked this match, but HHH called Stephanie Trish by accident, so Steph walked out and Foley assigned Trish as HHH’s replacement partner.

They could’ve done it the Smackdown before Summerslam, after Lita won the title and they were both champs, but we ended up with Rock/Lita vs Steph/Kurt which then obvs lead to the love triangle so it was just a case of timing but this Lita mark would have loved to see it go down.

Sept 8, 2021 16:01:47 GMT UT said:

Umaga vs Khali would not be very good. Like Umaga needed someone to take his offense and Khali would never be that guy.

Taz vs Umaga would be fun, kind of like the BBB stuff only better.

On the contrary, I think Umaga could've played a compelling underdog monster and further think you're underrating Umaga's bumping and selling abilities. Based on the size differential and the fact no one likes Khali, I just presumed Umaga would be playing de facto face in this match too.

I suppose we could've had a shot at Taz vs. Umaga IRL in the form of Tazz vs. Jamal of 3-Minute Warning... maybe in mid-2002 on some UK-only PPV? :lol:

Sept 8, 2021 16:56:53 GMT 🤯 said:

Sept 8, 2021 16:01:47 GMT UT said:

Umaga vs Khali would not be very good. Like Umaga needed someone to take his offense and Khali would never be that guy.

Taz vs Umaga would be fun, kind of like the BBB stuff only better.

On the contrary, I think Umaga could've played a compelling underdog monster and further think you're underrating Umaga's bumping and selling abilities. Based on the size differential and the fact no one likes Khali, I just presumed Umaga would be playing de facto face in this match too.

I suppose we could've had a shot at Taz vs. Umaga IRL in the form of Tazz vs. Jamal of 3-Minute Warning... maybe in mid-2002 on some UK-only PPV? :lol:

Now you put it that way about Umaga potentially playing an underdog face, I think it could actually be quite good in a spectacle kinda way. Obvious Umaga would have to do the majority of the bumping but there’s no reason why they can’t do something fast, strong and sudden like Lesnar/Goldberg, Lesnar/McIntyre etc etc



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Going back to my Lita markdom - Lita/Trish/Steph (2000) and Lita/Trish/Mickie (2006) seemed like such obvious missed matches for Summerslam both years. At the time they would have seemed like a throwaway match to combine the feuds but looking back now at the careers of all of them, it’s a missed dream match to me.

Randy Savage vs Terry Funk in 1985 WWF
Vader vs. Ultimate Warrior on 1996 WWF TV (they worked house shows)
APA vs The Faces Of Fear (Meng and Barbarian) circa 1998
Hakushi vs Rey Misterio circa 1995/96

Sept 8, 2021 18:37:31 GMT Shootist said:

Randy Savage vs Terry Funk in 1985 WWF
Vader vs. Ultimate Warrior on 1996 WWF TV (they worked house shows)
APA vs The Faces Of Fear (Meng and Barbarian) circa 1998
Hakushi vs Rey Misterio circa 1995/96

Shootist knows how to dream! I'd have loved to see any or all of these matches.

Sept 8, 2021 19:04:30 GMT 🤯 said:

Sept 8, 2021 18:37:31 GMT Shootist said:

Randy Savage vs Terry Funk in 1985 WWF
Vader vs. Ultimate Warrior on 1996 WWF TV (they worked house shows)
APA vs The Faces Of Fear (Meng and Barbarian) circa 1998
Hakushi vs Rey Misterio circa 1995/96

Shootist knows how to dream! I'd have loved to see any or all of these matches.

Well then I'll post one it seems I've mentioned a lot on here. Still turn the Road Warriors heel in 1988 but have that happen as debutants in the WWF by destroying the Megapowers on SNME. LOD vs Megapowers at Summerslam '88!

Sept 9, 2021 0:28:33 GMT Shootist said:

Sept 8, 2021 19:04:30 GMT 🤯 said:

Shootist knows how to dream! I'd have loved to see any or all of these matches.

Well then I'll post one it seems I've mentioned a lot on here. Still turn the Road Warriors heel in 1988 but have that happen as debutants in the WWF by destroying the Megapowers on SNME. LOD vs Megapowers at Summerslam '88!

Good God, take my money!

Some random ones...

Considering Kurt was a heel until 2001 and Malenko was too and then he retired... Did we ever get a Kurt vs. Malenko match? Kurt wrestled at least half the Radicalz ad nauseum, and I'm sure considering their overlap he had a match somewhere at some point with Saturn... But Malenko?

Bringing up Hakushi makes me think of how I love/hate Baker-man for putting HBK vs. Hakushi in my head as a coulda/woulda/shoulda dream match.

Did Kevin Nash vs. Vader ever take place in any capacity? Especially early 1996 WWF? Feel like that would've been a great Battle of the Powerbombs.

Sept 9, 2021 0:46:23 GMT 🤯 said:

Sept 9, 2021 0:28:33 GMT Shootist said:

Well then I'll post one it seems I've mentioned a lot on here. Still turn the Road Warriors heel in 1988 but have that happen as debutants in the WWF by destroying the Megapowers on SNME. LOD vs Megapowers at Summerslam '88!

Good God, take my money!

Some random ones...

Considering Kurt was a heel until 2001 and Malenko was too and then he retired... Did we ever get a Kurt vs. Malenko match? Kurt wrestled at least half the Radicalz ad nauseum, and I'm sure considering their overlap he had a match somewhere at some point with Saturn... But Malenko?

Bringing up Hakushi makes me think of how I love/hate Baker -man for putting HBK vs. Hakushi in my head as a coulda/woulda/shoulda dream match.

Did Kevin Nash vs. Vader ever take place in any capacity? Especially early 1996 WWF? Feel like that would've been a great Battle of the Powerbombs.

According to wrestlingdata.com Angle and Malenko never crossed paths, good call though. Vader and Nash (as Oz) teamed up against the Patriots in late 1991 WCW. Their only other encounter was in the 1996 Royal Rumble.

Vader vs. Lex Luger, we had a teaser at Starrcade '91 as they were in the final four of Battlebowl, that's all I can think of.

Lex Luger vs Paul Orndorff

Bam Bam Bigelow vs Kamala either in the 80's or New Generation WWF

Dynamite Kid vs Ricky Steamboat

Brock Lesnar vs Batista- I even looked it up, they had one match on Raw in 2003 and a few encounters in OVW.

Bret Hart vs. Brian Pillman (1991/1992)

Barry Windham vs. Randy Savage (1988-1992)

Barry Windham vs. Bret Hart (1991/1992)

Dynamite Kid vs. Ric Flair (1983)

Dynamite Kid vs. Ricky Steamboat (1983)

Taz vs. Vader (1996)

Sabu vs. Undertaker (1996/1997)

Rey Mysterio vs. The Great Sasuke (1994-1997)

Rey Mysterio vs. Taka Michinoku (1997)
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Not totally offbeat because of the names, but:

Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat vs. Randy Savage

The greatest triple threat match that predates triple threat matches, so rarely cited.

Rey vs Taka is a great shout. Would’ve also loved to see Rey vs Essa Rios.

Always wanted Steen/Foley for some reason. I sorta saw Owens as a new age Cactus Jack.

Sept 9, 2021 21:03:02 GMT @ness said:

Always wanted Steen/Foley for some reason. I sorta saw Owens as a new age Cactus Jack.

Loser has to lose weight and shave off his neck beard!

Sept 9, 2021 21:04:07 GMT 🤯 said:

Sept 9, 2021 21:03:02 GMT @ness said:

Always wanted Steen/Foley for some reason. I sorta saw Owens as a new age Cactus Jack.

Loser has to lose weight and shave off his neck beard!

To really motivate Foley just tell him the loser doesn't get paid at all.

I wonder if he's still cheap AF.

Jeff Hardy vs Mick Foley. Christ.

Chyna vs Nicole Bass. Am I doing this right?

Sept 9, 2021 21:51:08 GMT kingoftheworld said:

Jeff Hardy vs Mick Foley. Christ.

Chyna vs Nicole Bass. Am I doing this right?

Oh man, definitely on the second one.

For Jeff dream matches, did he ever cross paths with Sabu? If not, man... Can you imagine!?

Sept 8, 2021 13:41:43 GMT 🤯 said:

This idea was prompted by thinking it's a shame I'll never get to see T&A vs. Fire & Ice

First thing I thought of upon reading the thread title was Bradshaw vs. Scott Norton leading to the big money APA vs. Fire & Ice hossfight of the century. 

So many of the ones you guys mentioned did happen.....in my various fanfic and draft projects.

Shootist pretty sure Kamala vs. Bigelow happened in real life. Let me check real quick....
Yep. Two of their matches are freely available on Youtube.
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A few more...

Hakushi vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
New Jack vs. Disco Inferno
New Jack vs. Jeff Jarrett
Lord Steven Regal vs. Jacques Rougeau with both guys trying to out-heel each other
Lord Steven Regal vs. Henry Godwinn
Midnight Express vs. Rockers
Steiners vs. Furnas & LaFon
Mr. Perfect vs. Ricky Steamboat 
Barry Windham vs. Ted Dibiase
Owen Hart vs. Kurt Angle
Owen Hart vs. Rey Mysterio
The Giant vs. Vader

🤯 Jeff wrestled one of his heroes, Sabu, in some TNA multi-mans and in an internet/Apter Mag famous NC indie tag match before the Hardys were stars, but I don't think they ever had a one on one match.

Baker I coulda sworn there was rumors of an Owen/Angle dark match. Kurt got good quick, but obviously not there yet.

Sept 9, 2021 23:25:01 GMT Baker said:

Sept 8, 2021 13:41:43 GMT 🤯 said:

This idea was prompted by thinking it's a shame I'll never get to see T&A vs. Fire & Ice

First thing I thought of upon reading the thread title was Bradshaw vs. Scott Norton leading to the big money APA vs. Fire & Ice hossfight of the century. 

So many of the ones you guys mentioned did happen.....in my various fanfic and draft projects.

Shootist pretty sure Kamala vs. Bigelow happened in real life. Let me check real quick....
Yep. Two of their matches are freely available on Youtube.
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Cool, I'll have to look those up. I knew Bundy and Bigelow had a minor tiff but never knew two of the more colorful LJN's of the era actually hooked it up.

Some more, since Baker sparked some other ideas for New Jack, including my only dream situation for John Cena:

New Jack vs Abdullah The Butcher
New Jack vs. Terry Funk
New Jack vs. John Cena
Barry Windham vs. Randy Orton
Owen Hart vs. Eddie Guerrero

Baker, I saw Sabu wrestle Abyss in a barb-wire match in 2005. Bloody stuff that my dad didn't get. He was a big fan of AJ Styles.

Sept 9, 2021 23:25:01 GMT Baker said:

Hakushi vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
Lord Steven Regal vs. Henry Godwinn
Midnight Express vs. Rockers
Steiners vs. Furnas & LaFon
Mr. Perfect vs. Ricky Steamboat 
Barry Windham vs. Ted Dibiase
Owen Hart vs. Kurt Angle
Owen Hart vs. Rey Mysterio
The Giant vs. Vader

All my dimes for all of these. Some I'm stupefied didn't ever happen anywhere. Namely Kushi/Scorp, Steiners/Can-Am Express, Perfect/Steamboat, and Windham/DiBiase.

Whoops. @ness is right. Forgot about that Owen/Angle dark match. For obvious reasons I think of them as competing in different eras.

Shootist good call on Owen/Eddie. The Bundy/Bigelow 1987 MSG match rules. It may very well be my favorite colossal jostle.

My big Cena dream match has long been Cena vs. Vader. Vader is one of the all time great dream match wrestlers. Cena vs. ECW Raven as the anti-Cena would also be cool.

Ed I really liked both Sabu/Abyss matches and even recommended them to Kilgore many moons ago. TNA put together a sweet little unofficial hardcore division for a few months there in 2005 featuring a resurgent Sabu being on fire. More...

Lex Luger vs. Rick Rude
Owen Hart vs. RVD
Brock Lesnar vs. Mick Foley

Sept 9, 2021 23:36:39 GMT Shootist said:

New Jack vs. Terry Funk
New Jack vs. John Cena
Barry Windham vs. Randy Orton
Owen Hart vs. Eddie Guerrero

Shootist still dreaming my kinda dreams with these!

2 Cold Scorpio vs AJ Styles. I'd love AJ & starting the match as heels. Then as the match goes on, Scorpio becomes so full of himself, thinking he can flip the switch. Thinking AJ is just a young punk from the south, Eventually, AJ turns babyface. Gaining fans' respect.

Sept 9, 2021 23:49:31 GMT Baker said:

Whoops. @ness is right. Forgot about that Owen/Angle dark match. For obvious reasons I think of them as competing in different eras.

Shootist good call on Owen/Eddie. The Bundy/Bigelow 1987 MSG match rules. It may very well be my favorite colossal jostle.

My big Cena dream match has long been Cena vs. Vader. Vader is one of the all time great dream match wrestlers. Cena vs. ECW Raven as the anti-Cena would also be cool.

Ed I really liked both Sabu/Abyss matches and even recommended them to Kilgore many moons ago. TNA put together a sweet little unofficial hardcore division for a few months there in 2005 featuring a resurgent Sabu being on fire. More...

Lex Luger vs. Rick Rude
Owen Hart vs. RVD
Brock Lesnar vs. Mick Foley

Owen/Eddie has been a dream match crutch for me for about as long as LOD/Megapowers has been. I thought many others would have Owen/Eddie as a standard dream match due to the similar styles and how their careers and lives were snuffed out.

Another one to put in the wrestlingdata machine to be sure I have my basis covered

Nope, never happened even as a part of a tag match in 1992 WCW, may I submit to you:

Barry Windham vs. Jake Roberts

I thought maybe Luger and Rude crossed paths in Florida but they only shared the ring 3 times in total. Teaming in Florida in early 1986 and reuniting against Sting and Rick Steiner on WCW's 1991 European tour plus Battlebowl at Starrcade '91.

This might just be the gummies starting to hit, but...

Get the F Out Match: Jerry Lynn vs. Jerry Flynn