Rampage ratings show one thing clearly. Ethan Page is their biggest star and should be pushed accordingly.

Jeez, if only Shaq was available to wrestle a mix tag match or Mike Tyson could fall asleep at ringside for WWE. That would be better.

Jan 31, 2022 4:21:52 GMT Blindy said:

Jan 31, 2022 4:04:55 GMT CM Punk'd said:

The fact that established guys like Cesaro, Finn Balor, Jinder Mahal, and Veer failed to make the Rumble, in favor of people like Johnny Knoxville, and Bad Bunny should tell you a lot about morale.

Those same guys will be the ones taking up the Wrestlemania slots too, I figured these wrestlers have gotten used to it. Cardi B wants in this year possibly, and if there are only 5-6 women wrestling on the biggest PPV of the year, Cardi B is getting one of these spots(Maybe vs Bayley although Lacey Evans tried to work Cardi B into a shoot). 

WWE is more about celebrities outside and bringing in former legends, fuck developing new talent. They are mostly a bunch of losers minus a gifted/trusted few. These are Band-Aids that get brought in and then the WWE is wondering why someone isn't up to snuff to dethrone Reigns or carry RAW to better ratings. 

I'll fix this for you.

" AEW is more about bringing in former legends, fuck developing new talent. They are mostly a bunch of losers minus a gifted/trusted few. These are Band-Aids that get brought in and then AEW is wondering why someone isn't up to snuff or can carry Rampage to better ratings. "

Because there are no other feds besides AEW and WWE right? AEW is bringing in former RoH guys that happened to do stints in WWE. Everyone they signed from WWE got known with RoH before that, and it was based on the RoH ties that they were hired. Guys who did not have RoH runs were passed over.

Jan 31, 2022 5:15:42 GMT NATH45 said:

Jan 31, 2022 4:21:52 GMT Blindy said:

Those same guys will be the ones taking up the Wrestlemania slots too, I figured these wrestlers have gotten used to it. Cardi B wants in this year possibly, and if there are only 5-6 women wrestling on the biggest PPV of the year, Cardi B is getting one of these spots(Maybe vs Bayley although Lacey Evans tried to work Cardi B into a shoot). 

WWE is more about celebrities outside and bringing in former legends, fuck developing new talent. They are mostly a bunch of losers minus a gifted/trusted few. These are Band-Aids that get brought in and then the WWE is wondering why someone isn't up to snuff to dethrone Reigns or carry RAW to better ratings. 

I'll fix this for you.

" AEW is more about bringing in former legends, fuck developing new talent. They are mostly a bunch of losers minus a gifted/trusted few. These are Band-Aids that get brought in and then AEW is wondering why someone isn't up to snuff or can carry Rampage to better ratings. "

Yet, here you remain to talk about AEW. They must be doing something right

Looks like the change in format may have backfired on AEW with the show recording it's lowest rating in weeks and falling under the 1 million mark.

The premier of South Park had an influence on ratings, but look at that drop-off post-Moxley.

Every week people misinterpret this graph. That first number is not people tuning into AEW then leaving. It is people who finished whatever else they were watching before wrestling changing the channel. That is why without fail it is the highest number each week, it is an outlier.

That is why Cody also frontlines he show, he knows people stop watching the channel when AEW starts, so he is trying to give them a reason real fast to stick around and give wrestling a shot.

Feb 4, 2022 7:03:39 GMT c said:

Every week people misinterpret this graph. That first number is not people tuning into AEW then leaving. It is people who finished whatever else they were watching before wrestling changing the channel. That is why without fail it is the highest number each week, it is an outlier.

That is why Cody also frontlines he show, he knows people stop watching the channel when AEW starts, so he is trying to give them a reason real fast to stick around and give wrestling a shot.

Yes, it's been out before in this thread that BBT provides a strong lead-in, but when the number is higher than usual and a different star is involved it's safe to presume that star helped that number.

So what are you saying, nearly 140,000 forget to change the channel, realise this isn't WWE and turn off within 15 minutes?


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AEW's January 28 episode of Rampage drew a viewership of 601,000 viewers in the overall ratings.

Sounds great.. right?

Tuesday’s live edition of WWE NXT 2.0 drew 619,000 viewers according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

Rampage hasn't beaten that number since October 29, 2021. It was also the last time Rampage did +600,000 viewers.

This past week, was the third time this year alone that NXT has pulled +600,000.

NXT is apparently the absolute worst wrestling show on the planet. Apparently.

I'm out of the loop with AEW at the moment but haven't the ratings been good apart from this week? You can't overreact to one rating. The trend of losing a chunk of viewers straight away is the more worrying part.

One plus you can take from the ratings is that the main event increased in viewers not once, but twice.

Feb 4, 2022 10:28:47 GMT NATH45 said:

So what are you saying, nearly 140,000 forget to change the channel, realise this isn't WWE and turn off within 15 minutes?

That the first segment is fans from BBT tuning out and AEW fans tuning in.

Feb 4, 2022 10:38:18 GMT Todd said:

I'm out of the loop with AEW at the moment but haven't the ratings been good apart from this week? You can't overreact to one rating. The trend of losing a chunk of viewers straight away is the more worrying part.

The concerning thing is that Punk/MJF was supposed to be one of their biggest matches to date and yet the show under-performed. On top of that it may have revealed that front-loading their shows maybe better for the overall number.

I think Warner's logic was sound there. I presume there is some demographic crossover between Big Bang and Dynamite. If Tony puts a big segment on first, it gives AEW the chance to hold that extra audience. This week it didn't happen but you win some, you lose some. One thing I'd like AEW to experiment with is single-episode stories. In other words, you kick the show off with a segment and it is resolved at the end of the night. I know WWE ran this into the ground over the years, but that is a good hook for casual fans. I haven't watched for a few weeks, but last I did, Dynamite is just eight segments with different talents. There are lots of long-running stories, but each story is individual to that feud. I'd like to see the show itself have a story to follow.

Feb 4, 2022 10:45:23 GMT Big Pete said:

Feb 4, 2022 10:38:18 GMT Todd said:

I'm out of the loop with AEW at the moment but haven't the ratings been good apart from this week? You can't overreact to one rating. The trend of losing a chunk of viewers straight away is the more worrying part.

The concerning thing is that Punk/MJF was supposed to be one of their biggest matches to date and yet the show under-performed. On top of that it may have revealed that front-loading their shows maybe better for the overall number.

This might be an unpopular opinion but CM Punk has not been presented or booked like a star at all in my view. I think his return has been hugely disappointing in its presentation. The wacky thing is his matches are good, promos are good, story is solid. So it's all presentation and it falls on Tony Khan. All those house show promos on Dynamite, pointless matches against jobbers. It hurt him. Just my view (good job we don't have a downvote button here!). It's not his fault, it's his presentation.

Feb 4, 2022 10:53:23 GMT Todd said:

Feb 4, 2022 10:45:23 GMT Big Pete said:

The concerning thing is that Punk/MJF was supposed to be one of their biggest matches to date and yet the show under-performed. On top of that it may have revealed that front-loading their shows maybe better for the overall number.

This might be an unpopular opinion but CM Punk has not been presented or booked like a star at all in my view. I think his return has been hugely disappointing in its presentation. The wacky thing is his matches are good, promos are good, story is solid. So it's all presentation and it falls on Tony Khan. All those house show promos on Dynamite, pointless matches against jobbers. It hurt him. Just my view (good job we don't have a downvote button here!). It's not his fault, it's his presentation.

I've enjoyed Punk's run but you're not wrong either, if TK really wanted to make him a draw he would have changed course and really shook the company up with Punk, Cole and Bryan coming in. A completely different format, new storylines, new direction, new theme the works. Instead it's the opposite where they've just assimilated to the roster and have taken other people's spot in the company.

This could certainly be seen as an indictment of TK, but as you said, it could just be an anamoly for a variety of reasons. We'll need a better sample size before we get too judgemental.

TK is a dog chasing a car. He wouldn't know what to do if he caught one.

Thus every time he signs someone, they just.. as you put it, assimilate.

Feb 4, 2022 11:05:49 GMT Big Pete said:

Feb 4, 2022 10:53:23 GMT Todd said:

This might be an unpopular opinion but CM Punk has not been presented or booked like a star at all in my view. I think his return has been hugely disappointing in its presentation. The wacky thing is his matches are good, promos are good, story is solid. So it's all presentation and it falls on Tony Khan. All those house show promos on Dynamite, pointless matches against jobbers. It hurt him. Just my view (good job we don't have a downvote button here!). It's not his fault, it's his presentation.

I've enjoyed Punk's run but you're not wrong either, if TK really wanted to make him a draw he would have changed course and really shook the company up with Punk, Cole and Bryan coming in. A completely different format, new storylines, new direction, new theme the works. Instead it's the opposite where they've just assimilated to the roster and have taken other people's spot in the company.

This was my big issue with people comparing Punk and Bryan coming in to the Outsiders debuting on Nitro. It isn't that Punk and Bryan aren't as big a pair of stars (I would argue they were bigger), it was that people missed the point of why the Outsiders was so huge. It was because it signified a change in presentation for WCW. That was never going to happen here, AEW's core audience satisfaction is ECW levels high which means they can't change anything without pissing off their core audience which would be mental for obvious reasons. I think it's very difficult for them to grow any further domestically in their current guise. I really do hope I'm wrong. It's also important not to get bogged down with TV ratings and to look to more reliable KPIs such as attendance and PPV buys, both of which are very healthy but again depend hugely on their core audience.

So, Dynamite.

Wednesday night's AEW Dynamite averaged 954,000 viewers on TBS, down 13.3% from last week. It's the lowest audience for the show since December 15, and it's Dynamite's biggest week-to-week drop since last April.

- F4wonline.com

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WWE Monday Night RAW episode of 31 January 2022 had an average viewership of 1.865 million over three hours of the show. The 18-49 demographic rating is 0.47.

Up by 5.61% and +99000 viewers on the previous week, and up by 1.42% on last year.

- itnwwe.com

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So RAW nearly doubled Dynamite's viewership. The second worst wrestling show in all of space and time, only second to NXT 2.0.. almost doubled the highly acclaimed, highly rated AEW Dynamite.

As mentioned, Tuesday’s live edition of WWE NXT 2.0 drew 619,000 viewers according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

AEW Rampage on Friday night averaged 517,000 viewers in the fast nationals ratings, according to Forbes.

So... NXT 2.0 outgunned Rampage by 102,000.





Wow.

Okay on this whole forbidden door topic. Remember when Genichiro Tenryu was on Wrestlemania? Remember when Mil Mascaras, was in the Royal Rumble? Remember the ECW invasion and Jerry Lawler appearing on ECW? Remember Harley Race vs Bob Backlund? Remember when El Canek, Hector Garza, Cibernetico, Mil Mascaras, Blue Demon Jr, Octagon, Tinieblas, Abismo Negro, Heavy Metal, Histeria were all on a WWF card? Remember when Bret Hart had a classic match against Mitsuharu Misawa?

It's so blatantly revisionist history on the part of Cody, Jericho and Tony Khan.

This is my rant that nobody cares about. I had to get this off my chest.

Lawyer invading ECW was some crazy shit. As was Dreamer in MCW.

The forbidden door really did not start until it was down to just WWE. Once WCW was gone and NJPW won the war in Japan, most feds solidify their talent and stopped sharing. It really was not until AEW that feds started to open up to share again. RoH was able to open some of these doors, but usually one at a time. No one really has done the mixer than AEW is doing pulling in people from everywhere they can.

This is the way feds all worked in the territory days, but since Vince took over on TV, it just was not done, so Tony is not entirely wrong about opening it.

Feb 10, 2022 16:33:34 GMT c said:

Lawyer invading ECW was some crazy shit. As was Dreamer in MCW.

The forbidden door really did not start until it was down to just WWE. Once WCW was gone and NJPW won the war in Japan, most feds solidify their talent and stopped sharing. It really was not until AEW that feds started to open up to share again. RoH was able to open some of these doors, but usually one at a time. No one really has done the mixer than AEW is doing pulling in people from everywhere they can.

This is the way feds all worked in the territory days, but since Vince took over on TV, it just was not done, so Tony is not entirely wrong about opening it.

Ok I can see if from that point of view, it hasn't been done in a long time, and it's exciting and something that should be done.  Tony isn't wrong for doing it, I just take issue with Cody and Jericho's claims that they are the innovators or something.  Jericho claiming that AEW is the reason Mickie James was in the Rumble for example.  WWE has a history of including outside promotions in the Rumble.  This wasn't a 1st. 

I get you man but it’s just marketing. He’s just putting his company over. He’s actually a pretty good promoter in that respect.

AEW broke down a lot of doors with feds. Usually feds even today do not do talent exchanges even without TV deals. AEW is one of the few places that actively is trying to get ties with every fed, including WWE. Matt said if they offered to induct the Hardy Boyz into the hall of fame, and not just Jeff, they likely would have agreed to it and Tony would have allowed it.

Mickie in the Rumble was something has not been done in decades. Been a long time since WWE really acknowledged other feds.

Sure they were not the first, but things changed so much from the days when it was common, it is a big change.

I think WWE has better wrestlers overall, but AEW has been giving better matches. Particularly the Bryan Danielson matches. Nothing in WWE comes close to those. But what else do they have? nobody on the aew roster comes close to a AJ Styles even if he wrestling a broomstick.

I can't wait for AEW to sign Jeff Hardy only to get upstaged by the USOS. Imagine thinking a past-his-prime hall of famer like Jeff is better than New Day and Usos

TNA was doing it for years.

Okada, Naito and Takahashi, Goto, Tanahashi, Sanada, Muta all appeared in TNA. And I'm sure there's been others. Mexican talent also. ROH talent appeared regularly during their early days too.

TNA had the X Cup, with teams from all over the world competing with representation from different companies, Noah, AAA Worldwide, AJPW.

TNA was also sending talent to Japan, Team 3D and The MCMGs held titles in NJPW. Kurt Angle also held a version of the IWGP title for a while parading it around on Impact.

People are acting like TK has parted the seas by hiring a few guys WWE released or had no plans for and leasing a guy like Jay White out. The man has literally been in Impact with Bullet Club the last little while.

Feb 10, 2022 20:35:12 GMT NATH45 said:

TNA was doing it for years.

Okada, Naito and Takahashi, Goto, Tanahashi, Sanada, Muta all appeared in TNA. And I'm sure there's been others. Mexican talent also. ROH talent appeared regularly during their early days too.

TNA had the X Cup, with teams from all over the world competing with representation from different companies, Noah, AAA Worldwide, AJPW.

TNA was also sending talent to Japan, Team 3D and The MCMGs held titles in NJPW. Kurt Angle also held a version of the IWGP title for a while parading it around on Impact.

People are acting like TK has parted the seas by hiring a few guys WWE released or had no plans for and leasing a guy like Jay White out. The man has literally been in Impact with Bullet Club the last little while.

This is another problem with him posting those forbidden door tweets last week. Not only was it nonsense, but Jay White being signed to NJPW and showing up on Dynamite is nothing new. KENTA has appeared twice. Jon Moxley has fought two different NJPW guys on TV. The IWGP US title has changed hands at an AEW show. Bullet Club gets name-dropped all the time.

He needs to stop this nonsense and move past the “OMG NJPW GUY IS HERE!” part of it and actually do something. I’m hoping we’re there now with White seemingly teaming with Cole & YB. I’m holding out hope that this means Omega is coming back soon.

Feb 10, 2022 20:35:12 GMT NATH45 said:

TNA was doing it for years.

Okada, Naito and Takahashi, Goto, Tanahashi, Sanada, Muta all appeared in TNA. And I'm sure there's been others. Mexican talent also. ROH talent appeared regularly during their early days too.

TNA had the X Cup, with teams from all over the world competing with representation from different companies, Noah, AAA Worldwide, AJPW.

TNA was also sending talent to Japan, Team 3D and The MCMGs held titles in NJPW. Kurt Angle also held a version of the IWGP title for a while parading it around on Impact.

People are acting like TK has parted the seas by hiring a few guys WWE released or had no plans for and leasing a guy like Jay White out. The man has literally been in Impact with Bullet Club the last little while.

TNA did everything better except promote itself though Tony may over promote sometimes. And only the wrestling world knew Dixie wasn't the brightest. A lot more in the media realize Tony doesn't know what he is talking about saying with comments like we beat every football and basketball game and was number 1 show on tv. He was talking about the key demo for that week but his key demo doesn't mean much to most people.