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Post by c on Aug 19, 2022 20:14:06 GMT
One thing I think that was pretty odd was when Moxley said that THE title didn't mean shit. Ummmm...that's not good business. Isn't the title/being Champion the ultimate prize in wrestling? Otherwise WTF are you killing yourself for? Even Punk was like...ummm lemme stop you there cause that was a dumbass thing to say. Then Mox goes on to say he's the heart and soul and that's what it's about and Punk said 'fine, be the heart and soul, I'll be the dollars and cents'. I can't argue with that. heart and soul doesn't pay the bills so whether people like it or not, guys like Punk are an inevitability because he puts asses in the seats and sells the tickets. I hate Hogan, but I can't deny people pay to see him. You can say he buried people, but I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as building this rivalry and others heading into the future aka selling tickets. The way I took that was the title that was not being defended did not mean shit. As in the interim title was the REAL title since that was the one being fought for right now. I assume Punk ripped down Kingston to set up Kingston vs Punk in Chicago to do NY vs Chicago.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2022 20:14:55 GMT
I am concerned about the rumors though, as if there are factions backstage that is never good and will rip AEW apart. And I can easily see them becoming fractured between the CHIKARA/CZW guys and the WWE guys who came in later for more pay and took over the main event spots.
But HHH will fix this fast. Rumors are he locked up Gargango and has been contacting people to see when their contracts end. HHH wants his boys back badly. With HBK in creative now Cole has to be a serious target. I cannot imagine a world where WWE does not want Miro, Black and Mox back too. Gonna be a time when a lot of contracts end around the same time and HHH raids the fuck out of AEW.
Tony got real lucky too, as I assume HHH REALLY wants Regal back too and if the scandal broke sooner that would have been the first person he grabbed.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Aug 19, 2022 20:25:03 GMT
One thing I think that was pretty odd was when Moxley said that THE title didn't mean shit. Ummmm...that's not good business. Isn't the title/being Champion the ultimate prize in wrestling? Otherwise WTF are you killing yourself for? Even Punk was like...ummm lemme stop you there cause that was a dumbass thing to say. Then Mox goes on to say he's the heart and soul and that's what it's about and Punk said 'fine, be the heart and soul, I'll be the dollars and cents'. I can't argue with that. heart and soul doesn't pay the bills so whether people like it or not, guys like Punk are an inevitability because he puts asses in the seats and sells the tickets. I hate Hogan, but I can't deny people pay to see him. You can say he buried people, but I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as building this rivalry and others heading into the future aka selling tickets. I think what Moxley meant, is that his title don't mean shit, meaning the interim title. He feels that it don't mean shit, unless he beats the lineal champ, that being Punk.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2022 20:29:02 GMT
I saw it as Punks title did not meant shit until Punk beats Moxley and proves he deserves to carry the belt.
Eitherway it was good hype for the match.
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Post by iron maiden on Aug 19, 2022 20:41:24 GMT
One thing I think that was pretty odd was when Moxley said that THE title didn't mean shit. Ummmm...that's not good business. Isn't the title/being Champion the ultimate prize in wrestling? Otherwise WTF are you killing yourself for? Even Punk was like...ummm lemme stop you there cause that was a dumbass thing to say. Then Mox goes on to say he's the heart and soul and that's what it's about and Punk said 'fine, be the heart and soul, I'll be the dollars and cents'. I can't argue with that. heart and soul doesn't pay the bills so whether people like it or not, guys like Punk are an inevitability because he puts asses in the seats and sells the tickets. I hate Hogan, but I can't deny people pay to see him. You can say he buried people, but I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as building this rivalry and others heading into the future aka selling tickets. I think what Moxley meant, is that his title don't mean shit, meaning the interim title. He feels that it don't mean shit, unless he beats the lineal champ, that being Punk. I saw it as Punks title did not meant shit until Punk beats Moxley and proves he deserves to carry the belt. Eitherway it was good hype for the match. Yes. You are both right. My bad. He followed it up by saying 'not until I beat you'. Still wasn't a fan of that part. Maybe I'm just prickly about it, after WWE has effectively devalued all their titles.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 19, 2022 21:57:21 GMT
Whatever happened backstage before, Punk achieved something very few people in wrestling can achieve these days.. he got people talking.
The arsehole probably walked back through the curtains to find a horny Tony Khan frothing at the bit.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2022 23:33:16 GMT
Which is a great point, Punk is a real vet now, and he would know exactly how to work the smarks and get heat from them. And this is exactly how you do it. The best part is, he actively tells you he manipulates you too while fucking doing it and you think you are above until you are not.
That RoH angle of signing his WWE papers on the RoH belt was one his most creative ways to get nuclear heat. As was changing his entire look, theme and even in ring style to conform to his future "WWE superstar" self. He would come out and do promos in the WWE suit, he changed his hair and swapped from Miseria Cantare to Cult of Personality, a more friendly song for the older crowd, and started to work the slower WWE style using primarily the Vice to finish matches.
He had fans hating him while he would talk about going on to main event Summerslam and Wrestlemania while people were still working gyms. He basically left indy wrestling by taking a huge shit on everything it stood for. And it was AWESOME. Miz later stole most of the material and used it in WWE with his feud with Danielson.
Punk always does smart gimmicks to get heel heat. In IWA he did straight edge since most of the fans would drink and he could get close enough to make his insults to them personal about how exactly he is better than you.
Now in AEW it seems his gimmick is the cocky vet because he knows people will buy into it. He is that asshole who sucks up the promoter to get his matches and manipulates the card backstage, burying their fan favorites while making deals to get rich himself. And he straight out says it asking if he is the bad guy here? The answer is yes.
If there is shit backstage it def is split from this though. And there will always likely be some drama as it is prowrestling, and every fed has drama. They all like to claim it is one big family, but not, people always feel slighted, underpaid, unappreciated and what not. This is why we get a million shoots a year. AEW not had to release many people, but now they are, we are seeing some of it come out. Like Janela being pissed off his gimmick with Kiss died. Then Kiss being upset she was benched forever. Colt likely not happy they brought in Punk and then put him into RoH. Evans not likely happy he was released either, despite saying it is all ok, as now he is in Mexico in a shit situation.
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Post by Baker on Aug 19, 2022 23:46:20 GMT
Saw an amusing post elsewhere that went something like "Punk is 95 Hogan but the Dungeon of Doom is all young guys because he has no friends to help get one last main event payday." I chuckled.
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Post by c on Aug 20, 2022 1:34:24 GMT
I really think if Punk was being this miserable to everyone the Bucks and Omega would have pushed for his removal. They all have stronger ties to Colt than Punk (Colt literally made the Bucks rich) and they should still have some push with Tony.
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Post by Michinokudriver on Aug 20, 2022 2:12:35 GMT
I'm assuming (if Bucks/Omega legit dislike Punk and want him gone) that Khan might well have overrode them, as he must have paid Punk Brinks trucks full of money to come back. Just ride out his contract, wait it out and it'll all be forgotten in a couple of years.
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Post by c on Aug 20, 2022 4:01:02 GMT
If he pisses off the Bucks they will end their careers in WWE. Ditto for Omega. HHH wants them and will match whatever Tony is paying to get them. Only thing he cannot offer is creative. And if Tony ignores them on something that really upsets them, then what is the point of creative in AEW? Just my take. Think people forget how strong of a play WWE made for these guys.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 20, 2022 4:15:31 GMT
Oh, the hilarity in thinking The Elite hold any power in AEW - case in point Cody leaving for WWE. And doubling down on that hilarity in thinking The Elite will walk for WWE - they know who their Daddy is.
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Post by c on Aug 20, 2022 4:54:21 GMT
AEW cannot offer them Wrestlemania though. Any wrestler who says they do not care if they do Wrestlemania or not is lying. AEW and NJPW can do big ppvs sure, but they are not Wrestlemania. Elite come to WWE they will be showcased for sure.
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Post by Blindy on Aug 20, 2022 11:40:08 GMT
The biggest tell of locker room divide is when Punk got his own locker room, Khan had to give it to get him to come on in but why would you even want that if your CM Punk? Being anti-social is one thing but why separate yourself from everybody? That gives a "He thinks he's better than everyone else" sort of feel to everybody.
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Post by c on Aug 20, 2022 12:14:34 GMT
That would be a standard rider sort of thing that likely his agent set up. I would assume Sting, Jericho and some others have that also in their riders. That said it is obvious that Jericho is talking with people backstage as he is working new talent a lot, as is Sting. And Punk was never on the same level of Jericho or Sting. Punk hit the top once, those guys lived there. Ditto for Arn and Tully.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 13:27:43 GMT
Punk is always going on and on about Bret, but Bret refused to have his own dressing room and dressed with everyone else.
Punk clearly thinks he's better than his hero!
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Post by RT on Aug 20, 2022 19:52:41 GMT
I feel safe in saying that Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks will never step foot inside a WWE ring. They built their careers on being the indy guys that never made the jump, turned down multiple offers to start AEW, and are now millionaires who are well into their 30’s.
I feel like of all the people that might go to WWE they’re the only ones I can say won’t be going.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 20, 2022 20:51:56 GMT
They've really got two AEWs. The first being the group of guys that came in when the company was first founded and the second being the former WWE guys.
Of course there's going to be tension. Most of the independent talent shouldn't have been on television in the first place and secondly they're being slowly replaced by the WWE guys, many of which are probably only a few years from retirement but are in the spotlight.
It's like when Mr.Burns wanted to win the Softball Championship and brings in major league stars at the expense of his PowerPlant workers.
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Post by RT on Aug 20, 2022 22:00:52 GMT
They've really got two AEWs. The first being the group of guys that came in when the company was first founded and the second being the former WWE guys. Of course there's going to be tension. Most of the independent talent shouldn't have been on television in the first place and secondly they're being slowly replaced by the WWE guys, many of which are probably only a few years from retirement but are in the spotlight. It's like when Mr.Burns wanted to win the Softball Championship and brings in major league stars at the expense of his PowerPlant workers. That’s a poor example because Jungle Boy never shaved his sideburns and is still getting pushed.
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Post by WMS on Aug 21, 2022 11:45:57 GMT
The biggest tell of locker room divide is when Punk got his own locker room, Khan had to give it to get him to come on in but why would you even want that if your CM Punk? Being anti-social is one thing but why separate yourself from everybody? That gives a "He thinks he's better than everyone else" sort of feel to everybody. Man chooses to get changed in his own space = being unsocial? Christ. Read his Instagram post from today. Man’s got plenty of friends in AEW. It’s not like he spends hours cooked up on his own changing room then goes directly to the ring then leaves. He’s gonna be mixing around with talents. Talents go to him for advice, speak about what they’re doing right and what they could do better with him. But yes, he’s giving a thinks he’s better than everyone else sort of feel.
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Post by Blindy on Aug 21, 2022 12:41:44 GMT
The biggest tell of locker room divide is when Punk got his own locker room, Khan had to give it to get him to come on in but why would you even want that if your CM Punk? Being anti-social is one thing but why separate yourself from everybody? That gives a "He thinks he's better than everyone else" sort of feel to everybody. Man chooses to get changed in his own space = being unsocial? Christ. Read his Instagram post from today. Man’s got plenty of friends in AEW. It’s not like he spends hours cooked up on his own changing room then goes directly to the ring then leaves. He’s gonna be mixing around with talents. Talents go to him for advice, speak about what they’re doing right and what they could do better with him. But yes, he’s giving a thinks he’s better than everyone else sort of feel. It's common association to being at a higher tier or being VIP. Danielson does not do this and he isn't far off star power wise. It's a terrible look and am stunned Punk even opted for this. Talent talk to everybody. Cody Rhodes when he was around, road agents like Jerry Lynn or Dean Malenko...plenty of people. No big deal what CM Punk is doing. He is speaking with the impressionable and wants to work with the younger guys of the company for a reason with exceptions ala Moxley.
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Post by Blindy on Aug 21, 2022 12:50:01 GMT
I feel safe in saying that Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks will never step foot inside a WWE ring. They built their careers on being the indy guys that never made the jump, turned down multiple offers to start AEW, and are now millionaires who are well into their 30’s. I feel like of all the people that might go to WWE they’re the only ones I can say won’t be going. We all said the same about Sting yet he stepped foot in WWE eventually.
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Post by RT on Aug 21, 2022 20:24:23 GMT
Sting joining WWE was surprising yes but that was still when WWE was the only place you could go for a good paycheck. He probably wanted one last run and some extra retirement money and had no other option. As soon as he was presented with a viable option to WWE he took it.
As for the locker room thing I doubt Punk is the only person with a private dressing room. I don’t see the likes of Chris Jericho or Jon Moxley or Sting getting changed with Dante Martin and Jungle Boy and Dark Order.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 21, 2022 20:28:51 GMT
I feel safe in saying that Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks will never step foot inside a WWE ring. They built their careers on being the indy guys that never made the jump, turned down multiple offers to start AEW, and are now millionaires who are well into their 30’s. I feel like of all the people that might go to WWE they’re the only ones I can say won’t be going. We all said the same about Sting yet he stepped foot in WWE eventually. I can't remember Sting founding a company though. DVD, merch sales, probably an upfront million just to sign on the dotted line. If you ate TNA crumbs for 10 years, you'd sign too. The Bucks have cash. And they'd have to sign off to some sort of exclusivity to WWE regarding trademark and licensing - and when selling t-shirts is what butters your bread, it would have to be a lot of money trading hands to see The Bucks in WWE. Realistically as workers, you wouldn't pay either more than half a million each.
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2022 20:29:36 GMT
Moxley was CZW and works GCW. I seriously doubt he needs or wants his own lockerroom.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 21, 2022 20:42:53 GMT
Is it not a bad thing to want your own space?
I doubt anyone of us, or the marks criticising this, routinely pull up a chair in the middle of their workplace and begin with " gather 'round children... "
These guys are at work, not playing mixed basketball at the YMCA. When you've got a promo to nail and a program to work, and probably a heap of other stuff to consider, you'd hope for some space away from guys like Fuego Del Sol running up with " Mr.Punk, can you sign my Thor comic? "
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Post by X-zero on Aug 23, 2022 3:09:01 GMT
So BTE reason Hangman didn't go out to confront Punk was he was doing drills with Dark Order.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 23, 2022 20:51:39 GMT
My favourite part was when Kenny Omega told the fans he should hate them, and never said he was joking. Then compared them all to a cat that pisses all over the floor in one of the most incoherent promos I've ever heard.
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Post by Emperor on Aug 23, 2022 21:20:30 GMT
Where is this promo? BTE?
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 24, 2022 0:45:26 GMT
Where is this promo? BTE? After the show, they taped a gassed out Omega incoherently rambling about his time off. He called himself a weird, isolated man and this promo was proof of that. He even said, no one should see this promo... then they shared it anyway.
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