Heinicke got away with that exact throw to McLaurin in the first half and then decided to throw it with even more air the second time!

First that horrible unnecessary roughness, now Eagles lose the ball on a clear facemask. Oof.

Nov 15, 2022 3:38:54 GMT RagnarokMike said:

First that horrible unnecessary roughness, now Eagles lose the ball on a clear facemask. Oof.

Well the first one was definitely a helmet to helmet penalty, but yes that one was a big miss. Clearly in this situation it is ridiculous that a "review" can't change the obvious problem.

How wasn't that a facemask on Davis?

Nov 15, 2022 3:39:43 GMT @admin said:

Nov 15, 2022 3:38:54 GMT RagnarokMike said:

First that horrible unnecessary roughness, now Eagles lose the ball on a clear facemask. Oof.

Well the first one was definitely a helmet to helmet penalty, but yes that one was a big miss. Clearly in this situation it is ridiculous that a "review" can't change the obvious problem.

I haven’t been watching the whole game, unless you’re talking a different play, when dude was in bounds on the sideline, was a runner and the defender didn’t lead with his crown…the helmet to helmet was legal.

Joey Slye is winning a few fantasy matchups tonight - 4FGs with two over 55.

Nov 15, 2022 3:46:22 GMT RagnarokMike said:

Nov 15, 2022 3:39:43 GMT @admin said:

Well the first one was definitely a helmet to helmet penalty, but yes that one was a big miss. Clearly in this situation it is ridiculous that a "review" can't change the obvious problem.

I haven’t been watching the whole game, unless you’re talking a different play, when dude was in bounds in the sideline, was a runner and the defender didn’t lead with his crown…the helmet to helmet was legal.

It was textbook helmet to helmet contact, what are you talking about?

Woah! Washington might actually do this!

Eagles have turned it over as many times tonight as they have all season, wild.

Nov 11, 2022 5:28:22 GMT @admin said:

Nov 11, 2022 5:14:09 GMT Da Gr8t I Is said:

A wins a win, i'll take it
#keeppounding#

I mean do you really want to win? It just means you'll be outside the top 5 in the draft again and likely stuck in QB purgatory for another year.

I see your point. But we want them to at least show some effort. If we lose, we at least went down fighting instead of us laying on our back. 

HUGE series by the Washington d-line. Sweat tackles Sanders for a short gain on first down, Allen blows up Dickerson and forces an incompletion, Sweat sacks Hurts trying to climb the pocket on third down.

Nov 15, 2022 3:48:09 GMT @admin said:

Nov 15, 2022 3:46:22 GMT RagnarokMike said:

I haven’t been watching the whole game, unless you’re talking a different play, when dude was in bounds in the sideline, was a runner and the defender didn’t lead with his crown…the helmet to helmet was legal.

It was textbook helmet to helmet contact, what are you talking about?

Under the part of the textbook that explains what’s legal, yes, he wasn’t defenseless, and dude didn’t lead with his crown…it’s not illegal to clang helmets with a runner. Be impossible to play defense if you couldn’t touch helmets under any circumstance. Literally the only way that would have been illegal is A) if he’s out of bounds, or B) if dude spiked him with his crown. He was in bounds and it was forehead to forehead. No real ambiguity in the play, once you see he’s in bounds, it was the wrong call. Unless you’re talking about some other play than the one right before the INT, not sure how you’re mistaking it.

LOL I'll take it

WHat a shit call, Heinecke begging for that and instantly getting up to celebrate is shameful. I'd flag him for embellishment for that shit. 

Oof, that’s harsh.

Oh my god you are so ridiculous. He CLEARLY led with his helmet.

Go on complain about that late hit too I bet.

Nov 15, 2022 4:04:59 GMT @admin said:

Oh my god you are so ridiculous. He CLEARLY led with his helmet.

Go on complain about that late hit too I bet.

He let up big time there, he could have mustered him far worse. Whistles are ridiculously tough to even hear. Just a miserable quarter of football altogether by the refs. I don't feel for Philly given their turnovers but still a terrible officiated game. Yet again. 

Taylor clearly wasn't effected by that helmet led hit for him to get up and celebrate and act like he made a game winning TD throw. 

Commanders knock off last undeated in 2 of last 3 years

You can't pick and choose when it's a penalty because of the severity of the injury suffered. Brandon Graham could have easily not hit him in the head there, he took at least two or three steps after Heinicke had given himself up. That wasn't even remotely close to a dubious call.

Nov 15, 2022 4:15:05 GMT @admin said:

You can't pick and choose when it's a penalty because of the severity of the injury suffered. Brandon Graham could have easily not hit him in the head there, he took at least two or three steps after Heinicke had given himself up.

You can't tell me that is the equivalent of bodyslamming a QB down well after the play is over. He could have drilled him and it would have been warranted for the personal foul, this is just tacky shit. Saying this is a "QB protected league" is where the fault lies. You go back to the Chiefs MNF game with Chris Jones "personal foul" and it's now the refs have zero clue how to even call this. 

It's a call that decided the game, the very epitome of what the refs are not suppose to do. By the rulebook, Heinicke should have gotten a taunting call for fistpumping & screaming in front of Graham after the flag was thrown but you can't pick and choose. 

The idea that refs shouldn't decide a game is completely fabricated by fans - they are supposed to apply the rules regardless of the time. You can't hit a QB, or any player for that matter, especially in the head, after a play is over.

And I think you know you are being ridiculous with that last point, but Heinicke didn't taunt in front of Graham at all - he is allowed to celebrate.

Nov 15, 2022 4:24:27 GMT @admin said:

The idea that refs shouldn't decide a game is completely fabricated by fans - they are supposed to apply the rules regardless of the time. You can't hit a QB, or any player for that matter, especially in the head, after a play is over.

And I think you know you are being ridiculous with that last point, but Heinicke didn't taunt in front of Graham at all - he is allowed to celebrate.

Unless it's blatant, then you need to understand as an official the fine line of what to call. If your truly going by the textbook, there would be plenty of more holding calls against OLineman, especially late game. 

I know it isn't taunting but it is by the rulebook showing up the opposition. Another call that sometimes gets called or sometimes isn't. Another judgment call that randomly happens by the refs. And he did celebrate(Which I would be embarrassed to do so for trying to get that call as a professional but that's a whole topic for another day) in front of Graham by definition. 

It's okay to hold the refs accountable and demand better. The Dallas Goedert no facemask call is garbage. There needs to be less power in the refs hands as shown, every single turnover should be challenged from A to Z. 

When the refs for the ________th time are trending all over social media and sports talk for how bad of a performance they did, something needs to be called out and changed. 

Nov 15, 2022 4:29:29 GMT Blindy said:

And he did celebrate(Which I would be embarrassed to do so for trying to get that call as a professional but that's a whole topic for another day) in front of Graham by definition.

No, he quite literally didn't. He got up and ran around behind Graham before doing his first down celebration. This is as silly as Rags saying the CJGJ roughing penalty wasn't him leading with his helmet.

These examples are exactly why your "people are complaining on social media" argument has no real legs. People love to be outraged by refereeing decisions, it's part of sports fandom and always will be, no matter how many adjustments are made. Fans will always cite the rules incorrectly, and different people will always perceive things differently. Sure, refs make mistakes but there are so many false equivalents made.

That is not lowering and (even or) forcibly making contact with your helmet. Only leading with the helmet to the degree of the head being on the top of the body, it's that forearm cross the jaw does most of the work, and even then lands legal, forehead to forehead. Hitting him with the Eagle wings, they're not turtles, they can't remove their head from the play. Silly is calling that a penalty, that is the tickiest of the tacky.

Nov 15, 2022 4:15:05 GMT @admin said:

You can't pick and choose when it's a penalty because of the severity of the injury suffered. Brandon Graham could have easily not hit him in the head there, he took at least two or three steps after Heinicke had given himself up. That wasn't even remotely close to a dubious call.

He literally made contact just right after the ref blew the whistle.  He also let up big time. Heineke flopped to get that call.

Calls like this is why I have so little respect for today's QB's

Nov 15, 2022 7:27:09 GMT RagnarokMike said:

That is not lowering and (even or) forcibly making contact with your helmet. Only leading with the helmet to the degree of the head being on the top of the body, it's that forearm cross the jaw does most of the work, and even then lands legal, forehead to forehead. Hitting him with the Eagle wings, they're not turtles, they can't remove their head from the play. Silly is calling that a penalty, that is the tickiest of the tacky.

I'd have to see it in motion, but that looks incidental to me, especially if he's a runner.

Nov 15, 2022 4:06:38 GMT Blindy said:

Nov 15, 2022 4:04:59 GMT @admin said:

Oh my god you are so ridiculous. He CLEARLY led with his helmet.

Go on complain about that late hit too I bet.

He let up big time there, he could have mustered him far worse. Whistles are ridiculously tough to even hear. Just a miserable quarter of football altogether by the refs. I don't feel for Philly given their turnovers but still a terrible officiated game. Yet again. 

Taylor clearly wasn't effected by that helmet led hit for him to get up and celebrate and act like he made a game winning TD throw. 

Personally, I think defenders should start blowing up QB's again.  At least earn the damn roughing calls.

Nov 15, 2022 4:55:43 GMT @admin said:

Nov 15, 2022 4:29:29 GMT Blindy said:

And he did celebrate(Which I would be embarrassed to do so for trying to get that call as a professional but that's a whole topic for another day) in front of Graham by definition.

No, he quite literally didn't. He got up and ran around behind Graham before doing his first down celebration. This is as silly as Rags saying the CJGJ roughing penalty wasn't him leading with his helmet.

These examples are exactly why your "people are complaining on social media" argument has no real legs. People love to be outraged by refereeing decisions, it's part of sports fandom and always will be, no matter how many adjustments are made. Fans will always cite the rules incorrectly, and different people will always perceive things differently. Sure, refs make mistakes but there are so many false equivalents made.

I am pro celebration and if it was me, I don't hit the QB for taunting or unsportsmanlike but we've seen guys get excited in front of a player and get hit with the flag for that before. He was pleading for the ref to call the flag, got it and was yelling in jubilation and got to celebrate with his teammates.

They deserve the flack when it is deserved, people want the athletes and coaches to decide the game and 1 call at the end did not decide the Eagles fate, they were sloppy all over. But there was no intent there of Graham who you expect to hear a late whistle to just stop momentum and not touch Heinicke. It's the same thing with QBs who hug around the sidelines when running, they touch with one foot the white line and now you expect a defender to not touch them going full speed. It's impractical. 

It's why I have advocated for years to have the equivalent of running vs roughing the kicker for QBs because it's a joke. Graham's tap(And it was a tap because Graham could have put muster on that shot and hurt the QB) vs just outright piledriving a QB after the play is over are not the same thing, I am sorry man. 

Just saying "Refs are human beings" is accepting mediocrity. It's the same thing as blaming head coaches for not bailing out a bad ref decision and saying "Why didn't he challenge it?". No how about you get the calls right and not put the onus on the coaches to have to challenge or set your refs up to have to review calls so they aren't left with eggs in their faces. The Gabe Davis bobble in the end zone could not be challenged under 2 minutes in the Vikings/Bills thriller so what are you suppose to do as a player or coach? 

Flopping is just part of sports. It’s a chess move, whether we like it as fans or not. Soccer, basketball, football. I don’t blame the players for doing it. You play to win the game.

Unless someone is making lewd gestures, celebrations are fine with me. I say everything besides those acts is fair game.