Thurston still believe that Nelson Media information is accurate despite them admitted recently it was not after network execs called them out saying their information did not at all match internal numbers. For a good two year period when he started to get a following he was using data that was non-accredited because it was not accurate.

But Tony gets 175 million now from WBS, and makes a lot of brand deals.  But Thurston also does not break down his estimates at all, and is just using a gut feeling.   

He does in all interviews that ask about this. Besides he does not really have to so anything since he won in the end. He outlasted Vince. Vince is shredding his stake in Endeavor knowing he is going to be voted off the board in the near future, following him getting pushed out of WWE.

Dec 4, 2023 12:57:01 GMT c said:

He does in all interviews that ask about this.

Got an example? From what I've seen he's very specific with which accolades he brings up and I've never seen him bring up profitability. The only time I've seen him even acknowledge it was to explain why the company was in the red.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/tony-khan-interview-all-elite-wrestling-business-profit-stars-injuries-1235571777/

Older one where Tony make it clearer:

apnews.com/article/soccer-sports-entertainment-nfl-wrestling-bbcdd954b63662db3fb327e0ac811cac

For a quant in business he is shit at talking business numbers though.

"I’m not turning over huge cash profits. But as we approach the new media rights renewal, that is really the key not only to weekly profitability and cash flow, but also another large multiplier on top of the business valuation."

www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/tony-khan-interview-all-elite-wrestling-business-profit-stars-injuries-1235571777/

Is about the only mention of the company being profitible as a whole, the only other mention were the back to back PPVs, not the entire fiscal year.

AP article mentions he is turning a profit. Problem with Tony is he will gross for rev and profit in the same interviews.  And no seems to stop him to clarify.  

He is believed from what I read to be just profitable. As in he is not losing money, but not gaining any significant money and what he does make is then wrapped into signing new people. Which is a fair cry from losing millions and millions a year that many others are laying out.

Should also note the sole people claiming Tony is not making money use no sources to make the claim other than their gut feelings. Be a much different story if mainstream journalists were making these claims with evidence, but Thurston saying his gut is that AEW is not profitable is not really a good source to back up this claim.

And practically, if what people are claiming about the finances of AEW were true, they would have went under now or showed signs of financial trouble. No one is report they are having trouble paying bills though, or even allowing outside investors.

‘He outlasted Vince’. 😂 Jesus Christ.

I’ll tag out at this point lads. I’m not arguing with a caricature.

Tell me when I'm telling lies.

A show being " wildly profitable " and the overall business being profitable over a financial year are two entirely different things. And that's what he's talking about in that first article. And then just brags about making $100 Million in revenue. And then talks about ' not turning over huge cash profits ' and being reliant on the media rights renewal, being the key not only to weekly profitability and cash flow. And of course, working still off the initial investment from his Dad.

At best Brock Lesnar is likely getting more sitting at home half the year than TK is banking.

Can we still block people on here?

Dec 4, 2023 13:22:53 GMT c said:

Tell me when I'm telling lies.

You and the truth have a very distant relationship. 

Dec 4, 2023 13:20:25 GMT c said:

And practically, if what people are claiming about the finances of AEW were true, they would have went under now or showed signs of financial trouble. No one is report they are having trouble paying bills though, or even allowing outside investors.

It's literally being financed on the interest earned on his Daddy's saving account. 

But if TK acted and lead in the real world the way he does in AEW, I too, as TK's father would throw a few hundred million at him to keep him away from the rest of my business. 

Honestly may be the most embarrassing thing I’ve read on the wrestling side of this site. AEW fandom is pretty unhinged at the best of times but this guy takes it to nauseating levels.

Dec 4, 2023 13:24:36 GMT c said:

AP article mentions he is turning a profit

The AP article you posted after the fact mentions that Tony claims AEW is making a profit with no actual quote.

There's no other article to corroborate this.

I trust AP more than a dirtsheet journalist that relies on data considered unreliable for his analyses.

Dec 4, 2023 13:34:22 GMT c said:

I trust AP more than a dirtsheet journalist that relies on data considered unreliable for his analyses.

AP made sure to mention it was Tony claiming it with nothing in the article or anything that followed to corroberate this.

More Eddie moving back to the Last of a Dying Breed character. Next up for him is Claudio in the AEW G1.

Jeff Hardy joining Matt complaining about how they are not being used in AEW. Not sure what they want. Jeff fucked up, then said it was because of his high risk style that he drank like he did. Then they are mad Tony will not let him back into a high risk match.

The irony is they are on TV almost every week. Unlike say, The Dark Order, Nyla Rose or Cabana who open shows in dark matches.

The Hardys can shove it. This has happened in WWE and ROH previously. They come in, win the tag titles, then when they are out of the picture Jeff drinks and Matt whines.

Only difference this time is Jeff did his drinking before they could win the AEW titles.

If it wasn’t for Matt creating the Broken Universe in Impact these guys would have retired already. They can barely move, Jeff can’t be trusted to do anything but job, and Matt isn’t nearly as influential as he thinks he is. Just shut up and enjoy your families and millions of dollars already.

Matt should become an agent, and Jeff retire to do his music at this point.

Not a mystery what this is all about either. They wanted to work Edge and Christian and were told no.

If The Hardys were agents, I'd give all the empty headed fucks a pass when it came to listening to them.

Dec 4, 2023 13:34:22 GMT c said:

I trust AP more than a dirtsheet journalist that relies on data considered unreliable for his analyses.

AP isn’t reporting Tony has a profit.

AP is reporting Tony said he did.

There’s a substantial difference between these two statements. They are miles and miles apart.

Dec 4, 2023 13:25:46 GMT Todd said:

Can we still block people on here?

Yes, and I suggest people use it if they so desire.

I guess identifying as a profitability company is enough for some.

But if your ain't happy with reported facts - just question the credibility of the source, and then use a perceived self appointed degree of credentials and experience in said industry to down play the contributions and findings of an actual contributor to it.

Does Brandon Thurston's education impress you enough to take his word seriously? Or see any value in it? Does he have the sufficient amount of boxes ticked at university to make you feel like you should listen?

It's the same MO in every thread - discredit the source and embellish the truth.

If you are ok accepting twitter as valid news source for investigative journalism go for it. Most of us kind of want a little more.

But no, I do not think any serious researcher would rate popularity based on Nelson media ratings AFTER they lost accreditation. It is like finding out your car's speedometer is not accurate, then telling a cop you were not speeding because it said you were under 50.

But again if your standards are so low these are acceptable for your truth claims, go for it.  But do not expect me or others to take you seriously.

I get it c, and it's become very apparent once again to the many of us that have engaged in this debate - you're intent on posting half-truths and delirium fueled bias. Open a Google Doc and let your thoughts run free if you don't want any engagement.

If you're prepared to have your nonsensical ramblings challenged then well, people will continue to challenge it.

You're itching to get the last word in.. I can feel it. But know this, before you tell us all to just ignore your shit.. if people didn't engage and challenge your views of the world, you'd likely be having a 6 week conversation with yourself otherwise.

Dec 4, 2023 21:07:37 GMT iron maiden said:

Dec 4, 2023 13:25:46 GMT Todd said:

Can we still block people on here?

Yes, and I suggest people use it if they so desire.

Ok, how?

Dec 4, 2023 22:09:29 GMT Todd said:

Dec 4, 2023 21:07:37 GMT iron maiden said:

Yes, and I suggest people use it if they so desire.

Ok, how?

Go to their profile, click the settings cog and block member is in there.

Dec 5, 2023 0:40:45 GMT @admin said:

Dec 4, 2023 22:09:29 GMT Todd said:

Ok, how?

Go to their profile, click the settings cog and block member is in there.

Don't block me Todd, I am sorry for the Zach Wilson obsessive love. :cry: 

Dirt sheets in a mood today. AEW released the VP of post-production and it seems no one leaked to the sheets why so they are claiming it is total disarray backstage.

Anyone who has been watching AEW should have noticed the high number of production errors making television, so not like this was a bad call.