Dec 16, 2023 0:48:34 GMT c said:

Kenny out indefinitely.  Word is he has diverticulitis, which can be a bitch to heal down.  Sure people will blame his wrestling style for this though.

Dumb to blame style if it’s diverticulitis.

Indefinitely is such a scary word. I hope he has a speedy recovery.

This was the same thing Brock had that they thought would end his career. It is a bitch to treat. Also impossible to put a timeline on.  

LMFAO. So all those rumors that WBD was looking to add a new show that people assumed was Raw turned out to be a reality series on midget wrestling on Discovery.

Dec 16, 2023 3:34:20 GMT c said:

LMFAO. So all those rumors that WBD was looking to add a new show that people assumed was Raw turned out to be a reality series on midget wrestling on Discovery.

You’re conflating conversations and rumors.

Dec 16, 2023 3:34:20 GMT c said:

LMFAO. So all those rumors that WBD was looking to add a new show that people assumed was Raw turned out to be a reality series on midget wrestling on Discovery.

So, Being The Elite?

Speaking of the Raw talk, Meltzer reports exclusivity is not part of the contract. So the contract now has nothing to do with AEW, since if WBD gets Raw, it just runs Monday around NBA, while AEW runs in it's current time slots.

Dec 16, 2023 3:44:28 GMT c said:

Speaking of the Raw talk, Meltzer reports exclusivity is not part of the contract. So the contract now has nothing to do with AEW, since if WBD gets Raw, it just runs Monday around NBA, while AEW runs in it's current time slots.

Which is it, c? Does WBD have enough money to pay all three, or it’s on its deathbed?

I do not think they have the cash that WWE wants for a network show. And no one has confirmed the rumors that they were interested in Punk. I think they wanted a presentation and price point in case the NBA deal fell through.

But it was you all who said that they would get Raw then unload AEW.

Also in the Dave reports, WBD may own a percentage of AEW.

Also in the weird news from today, talks with Mone fell through and there is no interest in AEW right now in bringing her back. Which likely means she returns to WWE at the Rumble as many expect.

That’s not a surprise … I’ve been getting DMG-CNTL vs. Four Horsewoman vibes for over a month.

Not anytime soon though as Flair is out for 9 months at least. Announced it on Smackdown that her knee was busted.

But everyone had to know HHH would reach out to her before she returned to Japan.

Omega doesn't seem like someone with any of the risk factors. And sounds like he has a more serious version wonder how that happened.

Dec 15, 2023 23:08:14 GMT Ed said:

If TK ever let go of the booking duties, I wonder who can replace him.

The guy who runs the e-fed I am in could do it.

He can appear on screen without looking lost.

He can communicate with people in a natural way.

He can build multiple storylines.

He only has one show to manage to focus energy to that one.

He has released people because only so much time to go around plus 100 CAS max

People actually care about his women division.

And knows every match doesn't need to be 20 minutes long.

Dec 16, 2023 7:24:53 GMT X-zero said:

Omega doesn't seem like someone with any of the risk factors. And sounds like he has a more serious version wonder how that happened.

Brock had a severe complicated form that needed multiple rounds of surgery and a foot of his colon removed.  Was believed if someone in his UFC fights landed a shot in the right place he would have died in the cage.  Was the reason he retired from UFC.  

Kenny so far does not appear to have the complicated form that needs surgery.   But it still is not fun as it is a widespread infection in multiple places with pus sacs.  Doing the hospital route they can try to blast them out with antibiotics before he gets a colon tear and get tested to make sure he already has not torn his colon. 

Wrestlers are higher risk for this since the diet they do to keep weight up is high protean, which tends to have low fiber.  And this hits people who do not consume much fiber.  Like Brock, Kenny needs to change his diet up for life to jack up his fiber levels.

Reason this all is indefinite for Kenny, is he needs to get the infection cleared, the sacs heals and change his diet before he returns.  Could get the go ahead in two weeks or two months.  Should they find a colon tear, the real risk of this condition, this number shoots up.  

Top guy to book AEW would be Quackenbush under supervision. Dude is a creative genius who worked with most of the roster at one point or another. Supervision will check the megalomaniac side of Quackenbush from emerging. Would require a mass overhaul of AEW to use Quack's system of points for titles and what not, but would make most matches in AEW suddenly have a lot more meaning if 3 wins a row translates into a title shot.  But would give divisions a lot more direction.  

Thank god that’s never happening.

Dec 16, 2023 3:42:56 GMT NATH45 said:

So, Being The Elite?

This joke needs more love. Hilarious.

Dec 16, 2023 7:56:39 GMT c said:

Top guy to book AEW would be Quackenbush under supervision. Dude is a creative genius who worked with most of the roster at one point or another. Supervision will check the megalomaniac side of Quackenbush from emerging. It would require a mass overhaul of AEW to use Quack's system of points for titles and whatnot but it would make most matches in AEW suddenly have a lot more meaning if 3 wins a row translates into a title shot.  But it would give divisions a lot more direction.  

That will never work. Quack wouldn't be able to get along with people for long periods.

There's arguably no one qualified for the job.

I can already feel someone dialling up a response.

It's easy to suggest XYZ guy can do it because he's done it in XYZ fed for years. But this ain't backyard/bingo hall stuff - it's national/international WWE-lite type of stuff. And even then, those who have played in that space haven't been successful long term.

The smartest thing Vince McMahon did over the last 20 years was recognise his need for an heir, and hence Triple H completing a 20 year tenure under Vince. In addition to HBK following suite. And I'm sure there's every talk of the next guy to complete an apprenticeship. Why is this important.. because you're training someone for a very specific role and that can't be taught anywhere else. Hence why it is so difficult to just hire someone off the street.

TK should pick 20 top guys. Then pick another 20 guys to fill the blanks and fire the rest and then cancel ROH all together. And then book his 3 shows around those 20 guys. Streamline the product and put his absolute best foot forward every show. The best guys with a renewed focus, some stronger medication and less marching powder and relaunch the brand.

Dec 16, 2023 21:12:17 GMT Ed said:

Dec 16, 2023 7:56:39 GMT c said:

Top guy to book AEW would be Quackenbush under supervision. Dude is a creative genius who worked with most of the roster at one point or another. Supervision will check the megalomaniac side of Quackenbush from emerging. It would require a mass overhaul of AEW to use Quack's system of points for titles and whatnot but it would make most matches in AEW suddenly have a lot more meaning if 3 wins a row translates into a title shot.  But it would give divisions a lot more direction.  

That will never work. Quack wouldn't be able to get along with people for long periods.

If he is kept in check he works out well.  He is at the WWE performance center a lot and people had nothing but nice things to say about him.  Bliss and others came out to defend him when he got cancelled.  I would just never let him run things his own way.  Which I assume is why they never got him in creative for WWE, Quack not really a fan of working as part of a team.


And yeah there is no one that can turn AEW into WWE.  But I would say AEW is not for people who want it to be WWE.  That was never the intention no matter how many people shit on it for not being WWE or run like WWE.  It was an alternative to WWE, but seems some cannot wrap their heads around people wanting something that is not WWE's vision of wrestling.

The same way two movies can be of different genres - yet writing, direction and storytelling are fundamentals in both.

Surely that's easy to comprehend.

AEW doesn't need to be WWE in terms of content, but it needs to be terms of consistency. Especially in terms of booking, direction and storytelling.

And it never will be a true alternative to WWE because AEW shares too many similarlies with WWE. It's a Sports Entertainment product at the end of the day competing for the same market. An alternative to WWE is UFC. Apart from the occasional bit of blood and a bad word, there isn't anything that AEW does that WWE can't do or isn't.

And I think, the use of the word " alternative " today with AEW is a sly way of excusing comparisons to WWE.

Again people want an alternative to WWE. This would be like me saying I like Star Trek and someone constantly saying it should be Star Wars instead, and pointing out all the ways it is not Star Wars, and bringing up all the finicinals for Star Wars to try to prove Star Wars is objectively better. Sure you can make constant comparisons because they are similar but it is annoying and obxnious to do so. If AEW fans want WWE style stuff, they would watch WWE. They want AEW for the stuff WWE does not do in an accessible format.

WWE does not do high flying matches as a lot of high flying moves are simply not done in the WWE style, or reserved for special spots. They do not do stiff striking in the WWE style. They do not do blood in the WWE style. They do not do drivers in the WWE style. The do not do high impact moves in the WWE style. And they do not showcase international talent and belts.

Like it or not WWE has a style they teach at the performance center that is a backbone to their product that many want an alternative to. While some believe the WWE style is the only pure type of wrestling, there are many, many other types from catch, to Lucha, to Puro, to southern, to indy. AEW showcases these styles, WWE showcases their own style. This is what for some reason many do not understand or just ignore outright. We have WWE for their style, we want another product for the rest.

Cancel AEW, AEW fans will just move to whatever becomes the alternative that gets most of the talent, likely GCW at this point.  Most of these fans were RoH, PWG and CZW fans prior anyway.  They want something that is not WWE, which for some reason upsets some people who want to believe the only wrestling worth watching is from Vince.

So to be an alternative is to be a spotty, botchy, dangerous product where people stiff each other and bleed without any context?

Right.

To counterpoint your argument, being an alternative doesn't simply equat to quality, or consistency. And simply stating " it's an alternative " doesn't excuse poor booking or a bad or inconsistent product.

Dec 18, 2023 0:19:58 GMT NATH45 said:

So to be an alternative is to be a spotty, botchy, dangerous product where people stiff each other and bleed without any context?

Right.

To counterpoint your argument, being an alternative doesn't simply equat to quality, or consistency. And simply stating " it's an alternative " doesn't excuse poor booking or a bad or inconsistent product.

Also, even if the in-ring product is a (somewhat) different style, then presentation is absolutely a copy.

You can argue, we're just a bunch of assholes on pw who want to see AEW fail, yet people are talking about it all over social medka.

'Inside The Ropes' most recent social media post is..

" Is Tony Khan the right man to take AEW forward or is it time to bring in a new face behind-the-scenes? "

It's out there.

And yes, a spotty, bitchy, dangerous product where people stiff each other and bleed without any context is exactly what we want. That is exactly what WWE is not. If you dislike it, do not watch. AEW dies, people will follow the talent to different fed that does this indy style of wrestling.

Most AEW fans are more about the matchmaking than long term storytelling as well, as that is not the priority of the product they want. Look at the six man on Rampage. It had no story leading up to it, and AEW fans loved it. Sure good storytelling and consistency are pluses, but not as highly desired as good matchmaking. Matches matter to AEW fans first and foremost, not the stories leading to them. This is what people seem to ignore about Tony's booking, he is not booking for WWE fans, he is booking for AEW fans. And yeah this means some shit is inconsistent, but also means we get more great matches as they do not need months of stories to happen. He can just book Dragon vs ZSJ with no build. Or Omega and Willy.

If people hate AEW that is a you problem really and you should not watch. AEW is not trying to be WWE and never was. And we do not need two WWE's anyway, so weird people are pushing for that.

The lack of storytelling is a huge issue. Major sports constantly tell stories to build to games. The UFC does.

It’s a common human construct, not abnormal to the WWE.

The problem, though, is Tony is trying to tell stories. And they’re bad.

Record scratches..

" Freeze frame! "



" You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.. "

I think the product would actually be better off if Tony went the pure matchmaking route. No shitty angles. No bad promos. No skits. Just go all-out. This hodgepodge approach doesn't work.

(And c - trying to say Tony isn't emulating the WWE is disingenuous. There's a shit ton of WWE coursing through AEW.)

Dec 18, 2023 2:27:17 GMT KJ said:

I think the product would actually be better off if Tony went the pure matchmaking route. No shitty angles. No bad promos. No skits. Just go all-out. This hodgepodge approach doesn't work.

Yep. The best thing happening in AEW right now is the Continental Classic. It's just matches between exciting wrestlers with real stakes.