At this point they need to say anything to remain relevant. But both her and Scott need to seriously ask themselves if the GOP will nominate a black man or woman to be president.

Then again it is the GOP primary and no one really has a platform and they are all just trying to get Fox News soundbytes.

Debates are gonna be hilarious given half of them live in the world of alternative facts. I do wish Trump would debate just to see them all struggle to deal with his alternative facts where he did things like build the wall via Mexico funding, and had world leaders come to him with tears in their eyes telling him how great he made America.

That all said, no one is more delusional than the RFK Jr people.  Fox still pushing him as a serious contender for the Democratic primary and conservative believes he will beat Biden.  Really wonder if he will go full conservative and claim the election was stolen from him at the DNC.

Early election research is suggesting that Sinema running in Arizona will hurt the GOP more than democrats. Which makes a lot of sense as her approval ratings with her her voters were down around 30 at one point with democrat voters in Arizona. The vast majority were not gonna vote for her a second time if they had any other option. However her running as an independent also gives the people who oppose the MAGA dominate GOP a moderate conservative to vote for.

While some democrats may still back her, she is expected to peel off far more voters from a MAGA candidate. And non-MAGA candidates are not likely to win the primary as all the main forerunners claimed Trump won in the state. And Lake declared she won in the state.

If Sinema spoils the GOP it will be absolutely hilarious.

Data:

emersoncollegepolling.com/arizona-2024-senator-kyrsten-sinemas-independent-candidacy-could-help-democrats-for-u-s-senate/

Joe Rogan is with a small group trying to get Tucker Carlson to run for president believing he is the only one who could beat Trump for the party nomination, and thus beat Biden in 2024. Drafting Tucker may start to pick up as more start to realize he is perhaps their best shot at turning the GOP away from Trump.

Arizona, Florida and Missouri GOP are pushing to put abortion bans on the 2024 ballot. They are also asking for money to be directed away from the election races to promotion of the bans. Ohio loss changes nothing for them, nor does calls from election strategists to remove this topic from the 2024 race.

Scott won his senate seat in Florida by less than 1%, then pushed to cut social security. Mix in abortion and this seat deemed very safe despite the prior, I think is in real jeopardy.

Arizona with Sinema acting as a spoiler, I think will lock in the defeat of her and the GOP candidate. Nothing seems to get women to the polls more than abortion bans. Missouri I am not super knowledgeable about, but likely will have less of an impact there than in the more swingy states.

Smith asked for a Jan 2nd trial in the DC case. This will be just as primaries start for the GOP. He said his case will take 4 to 6 weeks to present.

Expected Trump will claim he lacks the time for a trial until 2025, post inauguration. This judge ruled in the past that sitting presidents should not get special treatment, so unlikely they will give Trump special treatment because he is running for president. Smith will also make a case that delaying this trial into a possible presidency risks acting as a summary dismissal of all charges, denying the American people their rights.

On the radio today, for the first time, Manchin said he is giving serious thought to leaving the Democratic party and running third party again Biden and Trump if they are the leading candidates come Jan.  This echoes what No Labels has said, the group that would back his presidential run financially but only if it is Trump and Biden.

The goal of No Labels is to use Manchin to eat vote from Biden to put Trump back into the White House, with their own internal research showing it would likely be effective.  And for people still disputing this, No Labels gets most of its funding from people who also give to Trump.

Polls today has Vivek Ramaswamy taking the number 2 spot from DeSantis. DeSantis continues to lose support as Trump increases his attacks.

Some conservative law professors say if Trump is convicted in the DC Jan 6th case, they expect lawsuits barring him from office via the 14th amendment as that would elevates things to the point where he should be disqualified by letter and spirit of the law.

Aug 11, 2023 0:05:05 GMT c said:

Polls today has Vivek Ramaswamy taking the number 2 spot from DeSantis. DeSantis continues to lose support as Trump increases his attacks.

This is really interesting, Trump is happy to put Desantis on blast making Ron look weak when he doesn't respond in kind.
It will be interesting to see if Trump can lay a glove on Vivek Ramaswamy without getting branded racist

Aug 11, 2023 21:42:16 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 11, 2023 0:05:05 GMT c said:

Polls today has Vivek Ramaswamy taking the number 2 spot from DeSantis. DeSantis continues to lose support as Trump increases his attacks.

This is really interesting, Trump is happy to put Desantis on blast making Ron look weak when he doesn't respond in kind.
It will be interesting to see if Trump can lay a glove on Vivek Ramaswamy without getting branded racist

I mean why would that affect anything? Trump is a racist it’s well documented in news papers, business records, and court filings. Private investigators looking for birth certificates. It’s never stopped him from getting votes in the past.


Plus you’re sort of already doing the heavy lifting for him here. The word branded in the context… implies at least to me, that he’d automatically be branded racist cause the guy is black… what I’m saying is it likely wouldn’t effect anything because the base will just assume it’s a plot to label him racist whether he is or not.


Trump is very good at it too. Like he’ll say “they’ll label me racist”. He’s a master of setting up his defense before he commits the crime.

Racism is a positive in the GOP primary.  The one thing the party hates more than anything these days is accusations of racism, justified or not.

Many groups are saying that this election will be the first one in a new era where death threats against political candidates will be considered expected and normalized. The lack of action on death threats, and treatment of them as free speech, means people running for office at all levels are expected to get them in high quantity on social media, voice messages, email and even in regular mail. Majority of them are towards liberal opponents, although conservatives are getting some much needed love as well.

Groups dogpile candidates that get coverage by Trump or Fox as people take the calls to action as a go ahead to issue threats. Law enforcement has not been taking action until a plan of attack is made with the threats, meaning that for most threats, it becomes legal speech due to lack of enforcement.

A week from the debate and it seems Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson and Larry Elder will not meet requirements to attend the debate.

Interesting note is Pence, Trump and Christie all also fail to meet the qualifications as so far they have no agreed to the RNC terms to back the winner of the primary. Trump not expected to appear at the debate, but Pence not signing is interesting. That may simply be an oversight so far, but with Trump facing now 91 criminal charges in court, it could be Pence not willing to back him anymore. Christie publicly said he will not endorse someone facing criminal charges for president. Curious how they handle this. Without Trump alone the debate looks like a farce. Losing Christie and Pence too debate starts to become a total joke.

Aug 15, 2023 22:13:02 GMT c said:

A week from the debate and it seems Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson and Larry Elder will not meet requirements to attend the debate.

Interesting note is Pence, Trump and Christie all also fail to meet the qualifications as so far they have no agreed to the RNC terms to back the winner of the primary. Trump not expected to appear at the debate, but Pence not signing is interesting. That may simply be an oversight so far, but with Trump facing now 91 criminal charges in court, it could be Pence not willing to back him anymore. Christie publicly said he will not endorse someone facing criminal charges for president. Curious how they handle this. Without Trump alone the debate looks like a farce. Losing Christie and Pence too debate starts to become a total joke.

I thought Pence didn't meet the threshold for donations?

He got a ton of donations following the Jan 6th indictment of Trump.

As of right now, Trump and Christie will be barred from the Republican debate the GNC chair confirmed for refusing to pledge to support the primary winner.

More interesting, is this also bars him from appearing on several state primary ballots, including Florida, if he continues to maintain this stance. Same goes for Christie. The ballot level pledge does not need to be signed until after several primaries already have occured though as the early states almost never have this rule.

Sounds like Christie plans to sign at the absolute last moment to get on the debate stage.  Then simply not honor it if he loses.

Believed Trump will claim that he was unlawfully barred from the debates, that the RNC is trying to rig the election and ask networks for equal time in townhall formats that he can control and are packed with likely Trump voters, like the CNN one.

Aug 18, 2023 8:08:34 GMT c said:

As of right now, Trump and Christie will be barred from the Republican debate the GNC chair confirmed for refusing to pledge to support the primary winner.

More interesting, is this also bars him from appearing on several state primary ballots, including Florida, if he continues to maintain this stance. Same goes for Christie. The ballot level pledge does not need to be signed until after several primaries already have occured though as the early states almost never have this rule.

Sounds like Christie plans to sign at the absolute last moment to get on the debate stage.  Then simply not honor it if he loses.

Believed Trump will claim that he was unlawfully barred from the debates, that the RNC is trying to rig the election and ask networks for equal time in townhall formats that he can control and are packed with likely Trump voters, like the CNN one.

The NYT are saying now that Trump's planning an interview with Tucker Carlson on that same night.

Aug 11, 2023 22:19:18 GMT All34LOL said:

Aug 11, 2023 21:42:16 GMT iNCY said:

This is really interesting, Trump is happy to put Desantis on blast making Ron look weak when he doesn't respond in kind.
It will be interesting to see if Trump can lay a glove on Vivek Ramaswamy without getting branded racist

I mean why would that affect anything? Trump is a racist it’s well documented in news papers, business records, and court filings. Private investigators looking for birth certificates. It’s never stopped him from getting votes in the past.


Plus you’re sort of already doing the heavy lifting for him here. The word branded in the context… implies at least to me, that he’d automatically be branded racist cause the guy is black… what I’m saying is it likely wouldn’t effect anything because the base will just assume it’s a plot to label him racist whether he is or not.


Trump is very good at it too. Like he’ll say “they’ll label me racist”. He’s a master of setting up his defense before he commits the crime.

Yep. That's modern Republicanism 101. A "I know you are but what am I" ethos that has been allowed to germinate inside of a vintage G.I. Joe lunchbox.

Joe started to campaign in the Battleground states proper with a massive ad blitz on the economy and jobs. Across most industries and throughout the ranks there are more jobs than workers now. Nearing a point where to further growth US is gonna have to increase immigration heavily. Not a situation we been in at least since I have been alive.

States like Ohio are having prisoners do infrastructure work as they could not find people to do these jobs, trading free tech training to prisoners, who then when released can continue the work since there is no one else experienced.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/bidens-infrastructure-building-boom-missing-one-thing-workers-rcna100209

Guessing people never told Ohio that trade jobs lead to six figure careers. Need over 100k workers for just the inflation bill jobs, which is crazy.

Trump confirmed on Truth Social he will not be doing any primary debates.

Expected he will also not debate Biden claiming all media groups, including Fox, are too liberal for him. Biden will not likely take part in a debate with a far right moderator on a channel without national coverage.

Hogan and Manchin doing media runs talking about how if the election comes down to Trump and Biden, they No Labels will run someone for president. They continue to claim it will not help Trump despite their own research showing otherwise, and saying if Trump does not win the GOP nomination they will not run a candidate. The party again, only will exist for the presidential race in 2024, if Trump is the nomination, and dissolve after the election.

In prep no labels is now on 10 ballots: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota and Utah. In some liberal states they are facing challenges over whether or not they an actual political party and their weird history.

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4161274-hogan-says-no-labels-likely-to-launch-third-party-alternative-if-trump-biden-win-nominations/

Polls show that only 17% of dems do not favor Biden, and only 21% of the GOP does not favor Trump. The independent electorate that votes is only 8% of the total vote.

Their candidates pick is still favoring Manchin to get dem votes, but Hogan is considered as well. The fear with Hogan is he would cut too much into Trump's votes to put Trump back in office since his favorability ratings are far higher than than Trump's. Oddly seems the group distanced itself from Sinema.

Still talk of shutting down No Labels down federally as well for running a shadow campaign which violates the Federal Election Campaign Act. Calls for the donor list to be made public are coming, and thus far they absolutely refuse to disclose who is backing them.  We do know that Harlan Crow is one of the major donors, who is a massive GOP donor.

Perry Johnson and Larry Elder are suing the RNC for their failure to meet the requirements for the first debate. Both claim they had polls showing they had over 1% vote, but the RNC said they were not the type of polls they needed to qualify. In court they are claiming they were silenced by the RNC. Most people in America likely never heard of either. Or know the name Larry Elder but not why they know it.

Debate tonight, Christie pledged and is in, Trump did not and is not invited, even though he already said he was not attending.

Eight candidates will be there.

Protest outside of the GOP debate with members of congress in the crowd protesting holding a debate without Trump. They are holding Trump's VP debate signs.

Highlight of a night of misinformation an unhinged people, was either MTG after protesting the Fox debate, trying to get into the press room as a VIP guest or Trump saying that people need to show ID to go to a store and buy groceries.

DeSantis pit stop style makeup reapplications, the sole person to do so. and choking on his closing statement also stands up there.

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Unreal after catching up with the first debate, that the winner was fucking Trump.  No on really dared attack him, and almost always if they did they were trashed by the live crowd.  If you cannot criticize him, then you lost since he will criticize you. 

Biggest loser was Ron who was booed hard at times and absolutely dropped the ball focusing too much on making sure his makeup was reapplied every 15 minute and his weird facial reactions, than actually having a message. 

One part of the debates going overlooked, is almost every candidate wants to go to war with Mexico, our largest trading partner.

Seems the GOP is circling around killing the Department of Education in America as a party if they get the White House. Be a logistical disaster that would see red state schools utterly collapse, but they are willing to do it nuke all federal guidance about disability or gender/identity protections and just let schools fight things out in court.  

Oh yeah will also kill college sports as you need colleges to have sports, but they are hoping people do not put it together that without student loans, there will no big colleges anymore, and without big colleges, no money for the big college sports they claim to love so much.

Since it is clear Trump will win the primary, Lieberman announced in April No Labels will have a nomination session. Still plan to cancel this if Trump somehow is no longer the front runner. And of course, they claim again, that this has nothing to do with Trump getting into the White House, they just see no need to put a third party candidate against Biden if literally anyone else wins the nomination.

Supreme Court will hear John Castro v. Donald Trump next month. Castro doing Trump asking the court to disqualify him via the 14th amendment. Unlike other challenges Castro has legal standing as he is running against Trump in the primary. Curious how the judges answer it as Castro is a lawyer and framed a legal argument that they will be very tempted to answer.

RFK Jr is talking about dropping out of the Democratic primary and running third party now claiming the primary is rigged against him despite him peeking at 15% support from democrats.

Sounding like he may enter the race for that No Labels cash.