ral of escalation” already taking place from the West Bank, Lebanon and Syria to Iraq and Yemen.

Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said that international humanitarian law, which demands protection of civilians and infrastructure essential for their lives, is clearly being violated and stressed that “no party to an armed conflict is above” these laws.

“Ground operations by the Israel Defence Forces and continued bombardment are hitting civilians, hospitals, refugee camps, mosques, churches and UN facilities – including shelters. No one is safe,” Guterres said. “At the same time, Hamas and other militants use civilians as human shields and continue to launch rockets indiscriminately towards Israel.”

Nov 6, 2023 18:04:15 GMT KJ said:

C has only expressed concern for one side’s children. I just want that noted once more.

Yeah, screw those little brown kids for having the audacity to be born in Palestine, those little shits knew what they were doing.


You seem unable to separate civilians from Hamas. Terrorists are a virus than needs to be purged from society, but if you advocate for the killing of women and children in pursuit of that goal you are also a terrorist that deserves the same fate you put on your enemies.

Simple.

The craziest part of all of this as I have mentioned before is that the VERY same people who championed massive muslim immigration into the West are appalled at the pro-Palestinian protests, what did we expect?

The Caliphate goals of Islam as a religion are incompatible with democracy, ironically the closest relative to a Caliphate is Zionism which is also religious extremism dressed as patriotism. Have a look at Immigration by nation and its all pretty confusing.
Same advocates for the war on whiteness are shocked when it turns on them.

Yeah, Hamas can get fucked for all I care. I am not gonna defend them. We talked about them several times over the years with their rocket attacks. I support them in fighting against oppression but that ends when they raid villages and shoot rockets.

Caliphates and conservative Israel deserve each other as both are zealots that see the only way path forward is eradication of the other. Frankly the US and China should fuck off, and let them have it out finally if that is the only way they will settle this. Let the middle east have the war they wanted for 80 years, then when the smoke clears and they reorganize afterwards, move on.

Both letting Israel mindless slaughter palestine, while we hold back their allies is not gonna this conflict. It will just radicalize more who then avenge their islamic brethren. And sooner or later Iran will hit them with a massive terrorist strike in responses starting this all over again.  And being Iran could be a dirty nuke.

Children hospital hit today. Same deal, possible tunnels under it make it a target like every other building in Gaza. Anyone too sick to be moved, regardless of age, I guess is labeled Hamas now.

Also worth mentioning those killed in Palestine is citizens of every country in the world. More US citizens have been killed by Israel than died in Benghazi. 31 Americans are presumed dead in the Israeli strikes.

Nov 7, 2023 1:36:19 GMT c said:

Yeah, Hamas can get fucked for all I care. I am not gonna defend them. We talked about them several times over the years with their rocket attacks. I support them in fighting against oppression but that ends when they raid villages and shoot rockets.

Caliphates and conservative Israel deserve each other as both are zealots that see the only way path forward is eradication of the other. Frankly the US and China should fuck off, and let them have it out finally if that is the only way they will settle this. Let the middle east have the war they wanted for 80 years, then when the smoke clears and they reorganize afterwards, move on.

Both letting Israel mindless slaughter palestine, while we hold back their allies is not gonna this conflict. It will just radicalize more who then avenge their islamic brethren. And sooner or later Iran will hit them with a massive terrorist strike in responses starting this all over again.  And being Iran could be a dirty nuke.

I think we probably differ in our viewpoints here.
Islam holds contempt for Western civilisation and there is nothing more ludicrous than gay people advocating for Hamas.
In a similar way the Orthodox Jewish faith holds contempt for anyone not Jewish, I don't get why American Evangelicals are so pro Israel... I mean I do because they have really cooked ideas of Bible Prophecy, but we are pretty much all regarded as cattle in Jewish teaching.

Some White people are very quick to decry Christianity as perverse, but like few of the other religions it's teachings are of compassion and tolerance.

Zealots are zealots. Jewish zealots and Islamic zealots as just as bad as Christian zealots to me.

US Evangelicals consider Israel the Christian holy land and assume it is mostly Christians that live there. They believe it is a Christian majority, with a Jewish minority. They also do not realize most of the Bible is talking about Jews, so if Israel is the home of God's people, they must be Christians, like the Christians that followed Moses in the bible.

Care to see how much of the middle east we cover in history classes stateside <.<

Or how many Christian here have read the bible and then can understand it on a non-contextual surface level even <.< 

Nov 7, 2023 0:58:17 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 6, 2023 18:04:15 GMT KJ said:

C has only expressed concern for one side’s children. I just want that noted once more.

Yeah, screw those little brown kids for having the audacity to be born in Palestine, those little shits knew what they were doing.


You seem unable to separate civilians from Hamas. Terrorists are a virus than needs to be purged from society, but if you advocate for the killing of women and children in pursuit of that goal you are also a terrorist that deserves the same fate you put on your enemies.

Simple.

I’ve made it clear multiple times where I stand. I’ve engaged with you for two decades on this site, so I don’t expect you to actually track that since it was one page ago.

By the way, your entire premise “screw those little brown kids” is actually what C is saying about Israelis. He only speaks concern about one side. There’s nothing to be said about loss the other way experienced last month.

You can note both. It’s okay. I promise.

iNCY your point on inclusion and tolerance played out perfectly on social media less than a few days ago.

A trans right activist, attending a Pro-Palestine protest attempted to get over with the kids by speaking about how Palestine loves the trans folk. These kids told him straight out, they hate trans people. He moved on pretty quickly.

Regardless of the individual loss of human life, Islam is not exactly a religion of tolerance.

The irony of some of these self-perceived most marginalised people (trans, LBGQT) advocating for Islam as a religion of peace and love is mind-blowning.

Apparently there's an Israeli SNL type show that has done some skits on these college types visiting Hamas, and of course... hilarity ensured.

But still, and regardless, people are dying.

Nov 7, 2023 3:35:18 GMT NATH45 said:

iNCY your point on inclusion and tolerance played out perfectly on social media less than a few days ago.

A trans right activist, attending a Pro-Palestine protest attempted to get over with the kids by speaking about how Palestine loves the trans folk. These kids told him straight out, they hate trans people. He moved on pretty quickly.

Regardless of the individual loss of human life, Islam is not exactly a religion of tolerance.

The irony of some of these self-perceived most marginalised people (trans, LBGQT) advocating for Islam as a religion of peace and love is mind-blowning.

Apparently there's an Israeli SNL type show that has done some skits on these college types visiting Hamas, and of course... hilarity ensured.

But still, and regardless, people are dying.

Bill Maher and Sam Harris nailed the topic years ago.

Islam is antithetical to liberal principles.

Nov 7, 2023 3:42:43 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2023 3:35:18 GMT NATH45 said:

iNCY your point on inclusion and tolerance played out perfectly on social media less than a few days ago.

A trans right activist, attending a Pro-Palestine protest attempted to get over with the kids by speaking about how Palestine loves the trans folk. These kids told him straight out, they hate trans people. He moved on pretty quickly.

Regardless of the individual loss of human life, Islam is not exactly a religion of tolerance.

The irony of some of these self-perceived most marginalised people (trans, LBGQT) advocating for Islam as a religion of peace and love is mind-blowning.

Apparently there's an Israeli SNL type show that has done some skits on these college types visiting Hamas, and of course... hilarity ensured.

But still, and regardless, people are dying.

Bill Maher and Sam Harris nailed the topic years ago.

Islam is antithetical to liberal principles.

I agree with you, but I don't know that the Jewish faith is more tolerant.
I'm all for acknowledging the deaths of all the Israelis and calling it a terrible crime, that is an event that happened as terrible as it was, it is done... All the while Israel is slaughtering civilians in their pursuit of Hamas.
Any time someone points it out the counterpoint from the Israel propagandists is that Hamas could stop this anytime... except the victims aren't Hamas

I and super shocked no one brought up the tunnel justification for bombing is essentially total bullshit. If Hamas wanted to be safe from the bombing, they simply could follow one of the many tunnels Israel already noted leave the Gaza stripe and enter into Israel proper. About half a dozen they know about from prior conflicts and likely far more they do not know about.

Hamas is not likely in Gaza at all anymore and Israel should know that from how little armed resistant they are facing. The drones they are sending into tunnels are also finding them mostly empty.

The human shield and hiding under hospitel stories are all bullshit. And nearly the exact words that the lobbys write for politicians to repeat.

Nov 7, 2023 5:02:29 GMT c said:

I and super shocked no one brought up the tunnel justification for bombing is essentially total bullshit. If Hamas wanted to be safe from the bombing, they simply could follow one of the many tunnels Israel already noted leave the Gaza stripe and enter into Israel proper. About half a dozen they know about from prior conflicts and likely far more they do not know about.

Hamas is not likely in Gaza at all anymore and Israel should know that from how little armed resistant they are facing. The drones they are sending into tunnels are also finding them mostly empty.

The human shield and hiding under hospitel stories are all bullshit. And nearly the exact words that the lobbys write for politicians to repeat.

I fully believe Hamas built their system to maximize civilian casualties, if nothing else, for the optics.

I don’t think it’s acknowledged enough Hamas was elected into power. And that’s when they had a far more anti-Jewish (vs. Anti-Zionist) rhetoric. Of course they haven’t held an election since …

I’d be genuinely curious to get a handle on the average Palestinians view on Hamas pre-October 2023.

Nov 7, 2023 5:02:29 GMT c said:

I and super shocked no one brought up the tunnel justification for bombing is essentially total bullshit. If Hamas wanted to be safe from the bombing, they simply could follow one of the many tunnels Israel already noted leave the Gaza stripe and enter into Israel proper. About half a dozen they know about from prior conflicts and likely far more they do not know about.

Hamas is not likely in Gaza at all anymore and Israel should know that from how little armed resistant they are facing. The drones they are sending into tunnels are also finding them mostly empty.

The human shield and hiding under hospitel stories are all bullshit. And nearly the exact words that the lobbys write for politicians to repeat.

You act like Hamas are actually fighters.  They only fight when the targets are women and children who can't fight back.

Nov 7, 2023 5:12:19 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2023 5:02:29 GMT c said:

I and super shocked no one brought up the tunnel justification for bombing is essentially total bullshit. If Hamas wanted to be safe from the bombing, they simply could follow one of the many tunnels Israel already noted leave the Gaza stripe and enter into Israel proper. About half a dozen they know about from prior conflicts and likely far more they do not know about.

Hamas is not likely in Gaza at all anymore and Israel should know that from how little armed resistant they are facing. The drones they are sending into tunnels are also finding them mostly empty.

The human shield and hiding under hospitel stories are all bullshit. And nearly the exact words that the lobbys write for politicians to repeat.

I fully believe Hamas built their system to maximize civilian casualties, if nothing else, for the optics.

I don’t think it’s acknowledged enough Hamas was elected into power. And that’s when they had a far more anti-Jewish (vs. Anti-Zionist) rhetoric. Of course they haven’t held an election since …

I’d be genuinely curious to get a handle on the average Palestinians view on Hamas pre-October 2023.

For the same reason Isis got votes in Afghanistan as they are the only people with the infrastructure to perform simple tasks like collecting rubbish etc.

I have long argued that if the US switched from military support to soft diplomacy the crisis in the middle east would be ended. Build schools and hospitals then broadcast a free children's channel into the region with Sesame Street, Bluey, Daniel Tiger all translated into Arabic. Would likely end the ill will in a generation.

Nov 7, 2023 9:01:00 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 7, 2023 5:12:19 GMT KJ said:

I fully believe Hamas built their system to maximize civilian casualties, if nothing else, for the optics.

I don’t think it’s acknowledged enough Hamas was elected into power. And that’s when they had a far more anti-Jewish (vs. Anti-Zionist) rhetoric. Of course they haven’t held an election since …

I’d be genuinely curious to get a handle on the average Palestinians view on Hamas pre-October 2023.

For the same reason Isis got votes in Afghanistan as they are the only people with the infrastructure to perform simple tasks like collecting rubbish etc.

I have long argued that if the US switched from military support to soft diplomacy the crisis in the middle east would be ended. Build schools and hospitals then broadcast a free children's channel into the region with Sesame Street, Bluey, Daniel Tiger all translated into Arabic. Would likely end the ill will in a generation.

That’s why I propose the “no state” solution. We (being the rest of the world” should relocate the entire country. Then we build a huge walll around the whole thing. And turn it into a museum of the many interpretations of the ancient god some Shepards worshiped that some how spawned multiple religions and multiple sects inside those religions. That a couple thousand years later everyone is still fighting about.


I solved it.

Nov 7, 2023 3:42:43 GMT KJ said:

Nov 7, 2023 3:35:18 GMT NATH45 said:

iNCY your point on inclusion and tolerance played out perfectly on social media less than a few days ago.

A trans right activist, attending a Pro-Palestine protest attempted to get over with the kids by speaking about how Palestine loves the trans folk. These kids told him straight out, they hate trans people. He moved on pretty quickly.

Regardless of the individual loss of human life, Islam is not exactly a religion of tolerance.

The irony of some of these self-perceived most marginalised people (trans, LBGQT) advocating for Islam as a religion of peace and love is mind-blowning.

Apparently there's an Israeli SNL type show that has done some skits on these college types visiting Hamas, and of course... hilarity ensured.

But still, and regardless, people are dying.

Bill Maher and Sam Harris nailed the topic years ago.

Islam is antithetical to liberal principles.

Sure but, it’s not like they came up with that. And further it’s not like I couldn’t apply it to all religions.

Countries pulling their ambassadors and some severing diplomatic ties with Israel.

Meanwhile in Israel, people do not understand why the world is so mad at them for simply defending themselves.

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Russia and Iran appealing to the UN publically, and likely China privately, to address the Israel nuclear comments.

There are also demands that nuclear inspectors be appointed to Israel as they are Iran.

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Also an increasingly large amount of Hamas communication is coming from Lebanon.  Qassam Brigades is the Hamas army, and what should be the target here, although Israel also declared war on the politicians of Hamas.   And it appears outside of some Martyrs they quickly made their way to Lebanon to avoid the destruction of Gaza.  While Israel can shoot over the border, their actions are far more limited.  In Lebanon they are joined by Hezbollah.

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G7 meeting today and the number 1 topic being why is the US funding this bloodshed.

Nov 7, 2023 11:30:31 GMT All34LOL said:

Nov 7, 2023 3:42:43 GMT KJ said:

Bill Maher and Sam Harris nailed the topic years ago.

Islam is antithetical to liberal principles.

Sure but, it’s not like they came up with that. And further it’s not like I couldn’t apply it to all religions.

No, they didn’t. But it’s a great example of public debate on the topic.

And yes, you can apply it to any religion, which is why theocracies shouldn’t exist.

Liberals are only siding with Palestine because they’re being told to. It’s honestly some of the strangest social science experiment I am watching happen in real time on every subject. Humans being sheep to their political alignment. They’ll literally say screw religion just to back their politics. It’s sad to watch humans be brainwashed to this point. I went from just straight hating liberals to understanding that they are just victims to a billionaires experiment.

It’s something that has been talked about by philosophers for ages too. Losing religion to politics. I mean, I don’t personally know of a philosopher who said this but I’m sure of it.

Finding God is knowing that neither side is right in this. Not sitting there defending one side vehemently especially when you don’t identify as ANY religion or have any family involved. You don’t even know what you’re defending. Neither side is right in this and that’s coming from the only Muslim on this board.

US has 1000 citizens left in Gaza, many lacking safe passage to Rafah crossing because Israel keeps bombing people trying to flee.

As the bombings continue more and more will die.  Americans are literally supporting Israel killing Americans.

Nov 7, 2023 5:44:56 GMT thereallt said:

Nov 7, 2023 5:02:29 GMT c said:

I and super shocked no one brought up the tunnel justification for bombing is essentially total bullshit. If Hamas wanted to be safe from the bombing, they simply could follow one of the many tunnels Israel already noted leave the Gaza stripe and enter into Israel proper. About half a dozen they know about from prior conflicts and likely far more they do not know about.

Hamas is not likely in Gaza at all anymore and Israel should know that from how little armed resistant they are facing. The drones they are sending into tunnels are also finding them mostly empty.

The human shield and hiding under hospitel stories are all bullshit. And nearly the exact words that the lobbys write for politicians to repeat.

You act like Hamas are actually fighters.  They only fight when the targets are women and children who can't fight back.

What I am uncomfortable with is the 'economics' of the Israeli decision.
They could stop the aerial bombardment and put ground forces in and go door to door in gaza.
The Israelis government obviously doesn't want to do this, probably because the loss to IDF soldiers would be unacceptable to the broader Israeli society.

Therefore they are dropping bombs, showing that they value the life of a Palestinian child far lower than that of an Israeli soldier, is that right?

I take the same issue with US Drone strikes.
If you don't care enough about the target to risk the lives of your own troops to take it, then you probably shouldn't be doing it.

I wonder what ration the government of Israel uses, how many civilian lives in Gaza is the life of one Jewish soldier worth?

Hmmmm....

" Yesterday Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu raised the prospect of Israel taking control of the administration of the Gaza Strip once Hamas is defeated.

"Clearly Israel is going to have to exercise ultimate security control over the Gaza strip, because we saw what happened when we don't," Eylon Levy, spokesperson for the Israeli government, told Patricia Karvelas on RN Breakfast when asked to comment on Netanyahu's words.

He said he could not go into detail on what "ultimate security control" would mean, but said the Gaza Strip would have to be demilitarised. "

Reports are diplomats in the Middle East are warning Biden that their countries are very displeased by our support for Israel and that they if things continue as is, they may reconsider their support for us as they will be pressured to stop supporting a country enabling war crimes against an ally.

When the war comes home.

A fancy burger store in Melbourne has been blown up. The store, Burgertory is owned by a prominent supporter of Palestine who recently wrote an open letter to the Jewish community explaining why he was filmed leading anti-Israel chants.

He led chants of “Shame, shame USA, how many kids did you kill today”, and “from the River to the Sea” sharing the footage on his Instagram page.

The social media posts quickly sparked controversy forcing the entrepreneur to clarify the remarks.

“At no stage have I ever called for harm to any individual, and I want to emphasise that I have deep and meaningful friendships with members of the Jewish community,” he said.

Hilarious US story of someone smashing her car into a jewish school, except it was a very antisemitic jewish school.

US is on the verge of a college lockdown of all protests against Israel. Labeling any criticism as antisemitic. Nuance is totally lost here.

The phrase from the river to the sea they are trying to rebrand as hate speech saying it promotes Israeli genocide, ignoring the second line of course palestine will be free. I like the inference that a free palestine would destroy Israel, when Israel basically destroyed palestine when it was created.

Nots sure how Israel does not see it is just hurting Jews worldwide. Calling everything antisemitic to manage criticism of the war, will devalue the term to one that people start to see as like calling something woke. People will not care if they are accused of antisemitism as everything is becoming antisemitic.  Which means also when real hate crimes occurs people will not care, as they will not know if it another overreaction or not without extra research, which most simply will not do.

Nov 11, 2023 5:30:37 GMT c said:

Hilarious US story of someone smashing her car into a jewish school, except it was a very antisemitic jewish school.

US is on the verge of a college lockdown of all protests against Israel. Labeling any criticism as antisemitic. Nuance is totally lost here.

The phrase from the river to the sea they are trying to rebrand as hate speech saying it promotes Israeli genocide, ignoring the second line of course palestine will be free. I like the inference that a free palestine would destroy Israel, when Israel basically destroyed palestine when it was created.

Nots sure how Israel does not see it is just hurting Jews worldwide. Calling everything antisemitic to manage criticism of the war, will devalue the term to one that people start to see as like calling something woke. People will not care if they are accused of antisemitism as everything is becoming antisemitic.  Which means also when real hate crimes occurs people will not care, as they will not know if it another overreaction or not without extra research, which most simply will not do.

Israel didn't destroy anything.   1949 there was a Palestinian state as well.   Until all of the Arab countries in the region tried to destroy the state of Israel and got their asses kicked.

There is going to be a pro-Palestinian march today in London, on Remembrance Day. Although confirmed to be happening a few hours after the service, and a few miles away from the Cenotaph, that hasn't stopped the far-right from saying they're going to hijack the memorial service.

More hilarious that a far-right branch of football fans are going to London to 'protect' the Cenotaph. Yeah, that'll do the trick won't it?

Nov 11, 2023 10:23:23 GMT thereallt said:

Nov 11, 2023 5:30:37 GMT c said:

Hilarious US story of someone smashing her car into a jewish school, except it was a very antisemitic jewish school.

US is on the verge of a college lockdown of all protests against Israel. Labeling any criticism as antisemitic. Nuance is totally lost here.

The phrase from the river to the sea they are trying to rebrand as hate speech saying it promotes Israeli genocide, ignoring the second line of course palestine will be free. I like the inference that a free palestine would destroy Israel, when Israel basically destroyed palestine when it was created.

Nots sure how Israel does not see it is just hurting Jews worldwide. Calling everything antisemitic to manage criticism of the war, will devalue the term to one that people start to see as like calling something woke. People will not care if they are accused of antisemitism as everything is becoming antisemitic.  Which means also when real hate crimes occurs people will not care, as they will not know if it another overreaction or not without extra research, which most simply will not do.

Israel didn't destroy anything.   1949 there was a Palestinian state as well.   Until all of the Arab countries in the region tried to destroy the state of Israel and got their asses kicked.

And then to show they were the good guys, they took 78% of Mandatory Palestine from the Arabs, and expelled 750,000 people at least literally the next day.

Rewind the clock 10 years prior, The Brits were essentially importing Jews with a policy of open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases to build this Jewish state, at the expense of those already living there. Oh yeah.. they killed about 5,000 of those Arabs in the process, so you can see why, hey maybe, just maybe, The Israelis aren't all that well liked in the area.

Continually pretending Israel is 100% innocent, I don't know whether it's naive or arrogance.

This is like living in the worst street on the worst side of town watching the two worst neighbours anyone could have at war with each other. Except one is richer, has cousins in high places and gets to pretend he's innocent and didn't have a hand in starting this shit.