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Post by UT on Feb 10, 2018 17:49:24 GMT
Top Ten Oscar Snubs 10. Fargo 09. Apocalypse Now 08. Gangs of New York 07. Raiders of the Lost Ark 06. The Shawshank Redemption 05. The Social Network 04. Pulp Fiction 03. Raging Bull 02. Goodfellas 01. Saving Private Ryan
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Post by UT on Feb 10, 2018 17:59:43 GMT
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Post by UT on Feb 10, 2018 18:07:21 GMT
I don't know what to really think about Fargo , it was on an original longer list of mine but lost consideration on my list because I had a different movie from the same year. I knew I was going to pick a movie from this year though because I will always rebel against movies like The English Patient , which will be an obvious theme for me in this countdown.
As for the movie itself , it's one I've become someone indifferent to. I like some of the stuff , I think McDormand is delightful and charming but overall the movie drags for me in some parts and I hate a few of the detours they make.
More than anything though it drives me crazy the way they approach their accents , I'm from the general area and have been to many of the places shown in the movie and they completely exaggerate the accent and the dialect. This probably doesn't bother most people but some of the longer conversation pieces drive me up the wall. Not to say it isn't anything like that - but they could dial it back like 50% and completely hit the nail on the head and I'd probably enjoy it more for it.
It's probably why the movie (to me) is at it's best when Buscemi and the other guy is on screen. They are great.
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Post by Emperor on Feb 10, 2018 18:26:05 GMT
When I watched Fargo I didn't get it. At all. If it's meant to be funny, the humour went way over my head. I'm sure it's more than a bunch of goofy accents and kooky lines, but yeah, nothing about this film pleased me.
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Post by UT on Feb 10, 2018 18:49:43 GMT
When I watched Fargo I didn't get it. At all. If it's meant to be funny, the humour went way over my head. I'm sure it's more than a bunch of goofy accents and kooky lines, but yeah, nothing about this film pleased me. Yeah a lot of the attempts at humor are more annoying than funny and they run them too long , I can chuckle at a few of the conversations because I can see similar things happen but some just take far too long and become annoying. There are funny parts , but that's where I go back to Buscemi being the best part. His interactions with his partner can be funny but the few conversations he has with the people of Fargo are when the movie actually delivers. The scene with Macy in the beginning of the movie and more so the parking lot attendant asking for four dollars are the funnier parts. So yeah I get why some people like this movie , I don't get the overwhelming love showed for it by others. It's another reason I've been apprehensive to watch the TV show despite all the praise it gets.
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Post by mikec on Feb 10, 2018 22:35:37 GMT
I really enjoy Fargo. It was number ten on my list, mostly because I haven’t seen The English Patient so I can’t comment on how big the snub is. I’m sure for me it ranks somewhere as the English Patient doesn’t look anything like a movie I would enjoy.
I can’t really explain why I found Fargo funny and you guys didn’t, but it just tickles me right down to the last minute.
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Post by 🤯 on Feb 10, 2018 22:53:09 GMT
I had Fargo at #10 on my list too, and similar to UT, it was more a way to rebel against that never-ending piece of trash English Patient. Fucking HATED that shit, and it's just made all the worse by people who love it and praise it.
As far as Fargo itself, for sure probably not the best Coen brothers movie... But it felt memorable and different. The gallows humor, boring bleakness, and violence all kinda blended together to make this interesting, unique moviescape. And, not being from that part of the country, but having an aunt and cousins from Minnesota and watching Making a Murderer, I always thought the accents were pretty spot-on. :lol:
Overall, I could've given my tenth place vote to "Anything But English Patient".
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Post by Emperor on Feb 10, 2018 23:06:20 GMT
Whoa, PW loathes The English Patient! Now I gotsa to watch to see what all the fuss (or anti-fuss) is about...
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Post by PB on Feb 10, 2018 23:33:06 GMT
I really liked The English Patient. I like Fargo more, but not by enough to call it a huge snub. I think history has had its say and Fargo has held up better and earned its place in film history, whereas The English Patient has been largely forgotten. I think it was a weak year nomination wise to be honest, and while Fargo would have been my choice, The English PAtient is more than worthy in that group.
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Post by UT on Feb 10, 2018 23:34:24 GMT
I don't think we've even seen it , my problem is that it's just a movie you expect to win the Oscar. It seems almost made solely to win and Oscar ... all these years later know one talks about The English Patients place in Pop Culture history but Fargo even if I don't love it is fairly unique and people will defend it to death.
I voted for Jerry Maguire from that year , that movie holds up and has had far more impact than The Fucking English Patient.
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Post by 🤯 on Feb 11, 2018 4:26:31 GMT
Wife and I've seen it. We broke down to watch it after learning that it was the all-time favorite movie of some of our family members. It was out of morning curiosity that we checked it out, endured the whole thing waiting to "get it", and never did. A waste of 4+ hours.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 11, 2018 11:39:24 GMT
It's no secret that with a lot of these 'snubs', I'm merely riding the bandwagon as I haven't seen a lot of them. In this case, The English Patience is one of those movies I haven't seen but just about everything I've heard about the movie points to it being an overwrought movie.
Meanwhile, Fargo is a classic crime movie that exhibits the Coen's strengths as film makers. So many lesser films rely heavily on cliches or unimaginative writing, whereas Fargo is breathing with character. The whole movie is driven by one character's sheer stupidity and his inability to understand the causality of his actions. I feel if a movie like this came out three decades prior, it would have only been told from his perspective and been a good movie, but in this feature we get three and they all converge masterfully. Jerry is a desperate idiot who nobody but his wife likes and he betrays her, Carl is a low-life in way over his head who makes a trail of rookie mistakes which ultimately hurt him. Then there's Margie who is the moral centre of the movie who represents the earnestness of Brainerd, but has the capacity to out-wit all those around her. The movie has fantastic details through out which tell you so much about these characters and like a lot of fantastic movies, has it's share of iconic moments. In a way, I think it's a shame that the wood-chipper scene is so synonomous with this movie, since such a shocking moment has been defanged significantly since it's 96 premier.
Despite being based in '87, Fargo was the more contemporary movie and has resonated more with audiences than the other movies.
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Post by UT on Feb 11, 2018 16:17:31 GMT
9. Apocalypse Now We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene! ~ Kurtz
Released 1979
Credits Director: Francis Ford Coppola Writer: John Milius Writer: Francis Ford Coppola
Cast Martin Sheen (Capt. Benjamin Willard) Marlon Brando (Col. Kurtz) Robert Duvall (Lt. Col. Kilgore) Sam Bottoms (Lance) Laurence Fishburne (Clean)
Critical 8.5/10 (IMDB) 96% (RT Critics) 94% (RT Audience)
Snubbed By Kramer vs Kramer
Oscars It Did Win - Best Cinematography - Best Sound
Other Nominations - Best Actor in Supporting Role - Best Director - Best Writing Based on Previous Material - Best Art Direction - Best Film Editing
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Post by UT on Feb 11, 2018 16:22:26 GMT
I haven't seen either of these movies , so I can't really comment on the snubs aspect of it. As for Apocalypse Now though I just don't have interest in seeing it , I've seen Hearts of Darkness and thought it was fascinating but kind of took away any possible motivation to watch the actual movie. It doesn't help that the more and more I think about movies , I realize I'm not a real big fan of Coppola or the his style of directing. I know I'm definitely in the minority of that one.
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Post by UT on Feb 11, 2018 16:25:18 GMT
I had Fargo at #10 on my list too, and similar to UT, it was more a way to rebel against that never-ending piece of trash English Patient. Fucking HATED that shit, and it's just made all the worse by people who love it and praise it. As far as Fargo itself, for sure probably not the best Coen brothers movie... But it felt memorable and different. The gallows humor, boring bleakness, and violence all kinda blended together to make this interesting, unique moviescape. And, not being from that part of the country, but having an aunt and cousins from Minnesota and watching Making a Murderer, I always thought the accents were pretty spot-on. Overall, I could've given my tenth place vote to "Anything But English Patient". There's a big difference between Making a Murderer and Fargo , well big might not be the word but I can definitely tell the difference and the fact Fargo is turning it up to 11 to try and get a point across. Either way , dontcha know , it bugged me , yeah? The funny thing about what Big Pete said is that I can't really argue with too much of it , but the movie still doesn't connect with me or make me laugh or keep me engaged all the way through. It has moments and a few of the characters can be entertaining at time but not enough for the movie to succeed with me.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 11, 2018 17:21:27 GMT
The problem with Fargo is that it ends on an anti-climax. Hollywood has conditioned their audiences to expect a heart-wrenching testimony and an explosive and bloody resolution. Instead, Jerry fails to uphold his end of the bargain and flees like a coward and the criminals turn on one another. By the time Margie rocks up, she's caught Gaear red-handed (literally).
Combined with unsympathetic characters and a lack of tension, it's possible for audiences to find the movie underwhelming.
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Post by thereallt on Feb 11, 2018 17:25:10 GMT
I can 't really call this too much of a snub. First time I saw Kramer vs. Kramer I was 8 years old and it completely sucked me in from start to finish. One of my favorite courtroom dramas ever.
By contrast I've always found Apocalypse Now to be a very difficult watch. The signature scenes are very memorable and it has some very iconic dialogue, but outside of those two things the movie is an absolute chore to get through. I never had any desire to see it again after the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 17:39:30 GMT
I really love Apocalypse Now. It was one of the first movies I watched on my 55 inch 4K curve when I bought it last year and it was just such an amazingly well shot movie that looked so great on this rig. It's kind of like Bladerunner in that it's easy to go into watching it for the first time expecting something completely different from what it is, and being underwhelmed by it as a result. But the story is so fucking deep on so many different levels, it's not an action movie at all it's a journey into the mouth of fucking madness, true madness, the horror... the horror...
Easily one of the best movies out of the 1970's decade, probably top 3 or top 5 for me. I've never seen Kramer Kramer before but I've heard great things about it, I need to check it out someday, I got a feeling I won't like it as much as Apocalypse Now though.
Count me in as one of those that never got the hype surrounding Fargo. Solid 7/10 movie at best.
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Post by 🤯 on Feb 12, 2018 1:39:48 GMT
I haven't seen either of these movies , so I can't really comment on the snubs aspect of it. As for Apocalypse Now though I just don't have interest in seeing it , I've seen Hearts of Darkness and thought it was fascinating but kind of took away any possible motivation to watch the actual movie. It doesn't help that the more and more I think about movies , I realize I'm not a real big fan of Coppola or the his style of directing. I know I'm definitely in the minority of that one. Apocalypse Now was up there for me, but was admittedly an instance where I hadn't seen the winner but doubted it could be better or more culturally lasting than AN. UT, you bring up an interesting thing... I've never really understood what direction actually is, or how it stands out at distinct. In this case, what are some Coppola trademarks (including ones you dislike)? Overall, as far as Coppola projects go, I'd have to pick AN over GF, GF2, or then the entire GF saga as a whole. AN is just such a surreal experience, a lot in the vein of 2001 to me, as well as touching on thematic elements that were very intriguing to me. It seems there's a contingent of folks on PW who just aren't into war movies though, and I feel like maybe it's too tough to penetrate that veil if you're not. But man, I really think AN was fantastic and holds up. The other year I thought I was over-romanticizing it based on one viewing when I was younger. Watched it again, the Redux, and was amazed at how compelling and engrossing it was.
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Post by UT on Feb 12, 2018 2:23:09 GMT
I haven't seen either of these movies , so I can't really comment on the snubs aspect of it. As for Apocalypse Now though I just don't have interest in seeing it , I've seen Hearts of Darkness and thought it was fascinating but kind of took away any possible motivation to watch the actual movie. It doesn't help that the more and more I think about movies , I realize I'm not a real big fan of Coppola or the his style of directing. I know I'm definitely in the minority of that one. Apocalypse Now was up there for me, but was admittedly an instance where I hadn't seen the winner but doubted it could be better or more culturally lasting than AN. UT , you bring up an interesting thing... I've never really understood what direction actually is, or how it stands out at distinct. In this case, what are some Coppola trademarks (including ones you dislike)? To be fair , I still don't completely understand ALL of it yet either but I'm continuing to learn as I go. I've read some interesting things and listened to podcasts that kind of shed a lot more light on it for me. None of it changes my opinions on movies I like and don't like, but it's opened my mind or gave me some perspective on why I gravitate to some directors and can't connect with others. I think my disconnect with Coppola is that he operate on such a grand scale , huge themes throughout his movies that are far more personal than other directors. I ain't working with a huge sample size but when I talk about my lack of connection to The Godfathers without completely understanding why I was different than most - I read that about Coppola and it really made sense to me. It's nothing against Coppola or me saying he isn't a great director - just that I don't think his movies will ever be my cup of tea - especially since most seem to be the same type of grandious operatic themes as far I've come to understand. There's a director coming up later , with a movie that I kind of took my first real deep look at and I completely got why I love it so much and love the director so much more. I won't get into it now but I'll take him any day over Coppola.
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Post by mikec on Feb 12, 2018 2:54:43 GMT
I haven’t seen Apocalypse Now. Kramer Vs. Kramer is a movie where a couple splits and the Mom leaves and the Dad raises the kid for awhile then comes back and takes the kid. It’s a good watch, but certainly not operating on the same levels as what I assume AN is and if the first Oscar countdown says much it’s that we like war movies on PW. Not a surprising movie on the countdown.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 12, 2018 3:36:09 GMT
Apocalypse Now is the more ambitious movie, but it's a difficult movie to digest and isn't as cohesive as Kramer vs. Kramer. It was an honorable mention on my list (as was another war related movie...which lost out to a war movie) but I didn't feel strongly enough about it.
Yes, but we also love mentally disturbed/challenged characters.
Maybe it's because we can all relate?
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Post by Shootist on Feb 12, 2018 6:23:51 GMT
Fargo was number 4 on my list. I like the embellished dark yokel humour tied in with a film noir type plot. Too bad the Academy didn't take the Cohen Bros. into the fold earlier as critical darlings. This film opened their eyes I believe to their talents but they were still hung up on Brit sap stories.
There really wasn't much of a gap between Apocalypse Now and Kramer vs. Kramer. Apocalypse Now is an all time favorite but Kramer vs. Kramer was equally deserving for both it's captivating drama and ace performances from Hoffman and Streep.
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Post by UT on Feb 12, 2018 15:57:29 GMT
Another entry where I haven't seen either movie , but I've heard such differing opinions that it doesn't surprise me it's going to end up being the lowest rated movie in this countdown. People love it or hate it and I have reservations about committing three hours of my afternoon to a movie I might loathe. Even though I do love some Scorsese.
Looking at that entire year though , it seemed like a weak Oscars. Surprised they ended up giving it to Chicago over a Scorsese , Leo and Day Lewis vehicle. Seems like in a weak year for nominations that would just be the easy movie to give it to.
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Post by 🤯 on Feb 12, 2018 16:18:04 GMT
Think this might've made Wife's snub list and not mine, as she loves this movie way more than me (not that I dislike it). Honestly, it's my second favorite DDL character after There Will Be Blood. And now I'm thinking there should be a DDL countdown at some point. And a Dustin Hoffman one. But anyway... UT, I'd encourage you to check it out. I say this primarily because with every post you reveal yourself to have movie tastes that increasingly mirror Wife's almost exactly. Plus, even if the story of Gangs doesn't necessarily grip you, the character performances that it's loaded with are a lot of fun (maybe minus Cameron Diaz, per usual). It's kind of like a highly stylized 1860s Departed in a way. Leo playing a mole-like character in an Eastern Seaboard-based environment brimming with corruption, mistrust, and gory violence.
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Post by UT on Feb 12, 2018 16:21:27 GMT
Well I'll definitely check it out then 🤯 , I've noticed too that me and Wife have similar movie tastes. I look forward to her lists coming in because she usually bumps up a few of my top picks. 1860's Departed though? Fucking count me in.
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Post by mikec on Feb 12, 2018 16:24:19 GMT
I considered going LOTR Two Towers over Chicago as a snub but didn’t feel strongly enough about any of the movies to feel bad for them. If Adaptation, About Schmidt or even Far From Heaven been nominated I would’ve put them on my list.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 12, 2018 16:35:15 GMT
It may still come up, but I had the Pianist as my snub. I'd understand it being passed over due to Polanski, but they gave him Best Director so I don't see any reason why they skipped over it, especially for a movie as trite as Chicago.
Give me Irreversible, City of God and Adaptation over The Hours, Chicago and LotR: TT.
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Post by thereallt on Feb 12, 2018 17:09:07 GMT
Gangs is my favorite Daniel Day Lewis performance ever and Adrian Brody winning best actor over him was simply laughable IMO. But that's really the only legit snub I see relating to Gangs of New York. Lackluster efforts from both Leo and Cameron Diaz bring the movie down quite a bit and the pacing drags in certain parts.
The Two Towers was my vote to win the Oscar this year.
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