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Post by 🤯 on Feb 16, 2018 16:28:45 GMT
Someone raised this point elsewhere before, but to echo it, I feel like Pulp Fiction's cult favorite icon status actually benefits from it not winning the Oscar.
For all I know, it's possibly what gives things like Apocalypse Now and Cassidy & Kid even more "street cred" with me as cult favorite icons.
In fact, I wonder if Pulp would've been even better served by not even being nominated? I feel like a full-out snub like that would've better fit the quirky Quentin Tarantino anti-conformity vibe.
All that aside, 1994 was too stacked of a year for me to personally feel like anything was a snub.
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Post by RT on Feb 16, 2018 16:53:55 GMT
Hey good time for this fucking movie to finally show up , I honestly wish that the movie could manifest it's own lips just so it could kiss my ass , that's what I truly think about Pulp Fiction. And honestly I wouldn't have as much disdain for it if not for the legion of fans who believe it's impossible not to like it and assume you're wrong or just don't "get it" if you're not one singing it's praises. I'm not a huge Tarantino fan in general , Django and Resevoir Dogs are the only two films of his I really enjoy but Pulp Fiction was one of the most boring waste of 2 1/2 hours I can remember from a movie and haven't had any desire to revisit it years later. All that is to say I understand that it was an important movie in cinematic history , people I enjoy and respect have defended that case and I get it - but I still don't give it the Oscar over Forrest Gump , a movie I find far more palatable , more rewatchable , better acted and better character work. Same with Shawshank which I find to also be infinitely better - so I don't see how it can be a snub at all. We're fighting. Like I said already, Pulp Fiction is my #1. Yeah it lost to a good, deserving movie, but fuck that. 1994 was the year grunge was at its peak, we saw a punk rock resurgence, pop culture in general had totally shed the 80's and created its own identity, and The Oscars could have reflected that in a big way. But they chose the safe pick. Pulp Fiction was both ahead of its time and also a perfect reflection of the early 90's in general. It's a fresh work of art that is still influencing movies and directors to this day. It should have won hands down.
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Post by thereallt on Feb 16, 2018 17:17:14 GMT
Pulp Fiction was #9 on my list for one reason and one reason alone and that is Samuel Jackson getting royally fucked out of Best Supporting Actor that year. There is no way in he blue hell you will ever convince me Martin Landau was better in Ed Wood than Samuel Jackson was in Pulp Fiction.
But once again Shawshank is a better movie than Pulp Fiction, so if I don't consider that much of a snub then Pulp Fiction isn't going register much
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Post by mikec on Feb 16, 2018 18:08:27 GMT
If QT had taken out every scene that was related to Bruce Willis I would think it was the best movie of that year. Willis drags it to third of that list of nominees for me. Jackson is dynamic, reminds me of how I feel about The Dark Knight where the minute he’s off the screen I’m snoozing, he’s so much ahead of what anyone else is doing.
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Post by Emperor on Feb 16, 2018 18:17:21 GMT
Most of Pulp Fiction is fantastic. The dialogue and antics is pure entertainment, despite the overarching story not being particularly great. But then there's some scenes I don't care for at all, most notably Travolta's and Thurman's scene. If I ever watch Pulp Fiction again, that's a skip. I don't even remember the Bruce Willis stuff which suggests it's pretty forgettable. Its high points are really high, some of Tarantino's very best scenes, but it's not consistent enough to match up with Shawshank and Gump.
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Post by 🤯 on Feb 16, 2018 18:59:29 GMT
How are people hating on or else forgetting Bruce Willis' scenes in Pulp!?
His chase scene with Ving Rhames and escape from Zed's lair are totally memorable and entertaining. If anything, I'd argue that whoever played his potbelly-craving girlfriend is what ruined his other scenes.
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Post by RT on Feb 16, 2018 19:45:44 GMT
Bruce Willis' part in that movie culminates in one of the craziest scenes in movie history and people are calling his scenes forgettable?
No.
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Post by Shootist on Feb 16, 2018 21:05:51 GMT
Seeing it won for best writing the academy about go it right for Pulp Fiction. Could it have won best picture? Sure but it was a victim of being released in a very strong year.
That script is still fucking brilliant and that would have been the ultimate snub. Travolta and Thurman also have one of the memorable scenes (even though Uma is unconscious) that culminates at Lance's house.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Feb 16, 2018 22:46:40 GMT
Predictions on the Top Three.
1. Raging Bull 2. Goodfellas 3. Saving Private Ryan
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Post by mikec on Feb 17, 2018 0:18:53 GMT
Bruce Willis' part in that movie culminates in one of the craziest scenes in movie history and people are calling his scenes forgettable? No. I don’t think they’re forgettable. I think they’re trash. 🤯 I don’t like/care for the gimp stuff, but the taxi ride is the wooooooooooooorst. (Extra o’s For how loooooooooong it’s the wooooooooooorst) All those scenes with Bruce are made worse by just how incredible SLJ is. Jules could’ve read the phone book and I would’ve been in.
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Post by PB on Feb 17, 2018 1:02:55 GMT
Yeah Pulp Fiction has great moments but isn’t a great film. I like it better than Gump, but if Gump is 4/10 then Pulp Fictionus 5 or 6. Shawshank is 8 or 9 and the deserved winner.
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Post by 🤯 on Feb 17, 2018 3:40:15 GMT
And why is everyone treating Lion King like chopped liver!?
Nothing aside from maybe the end parts of Gump had me on the verge of tears like Mufasa's death.
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Post by thereallt on Feb 17, 2018 3:53:16 GMT
Predictions on the Top Three. 1. Raging Bull 2. Goodfellas 3. Saving Private Ryan Those 3 are a safe bet as they are hands down 3 of the biggest Oscar robberies of all-time.
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Post by RagnarokMike on Feb 17, 2018 4:26:22 GMT
Pulp Fiction is one of the few films I find endlessly rewatchable, I love every segment of it, not every second, but almost...each strand is brilliant in it's own right, yeah, the SLJ bits are the best of the best, but I adore the whole thing...just not as much as the Shawshank Redemption (still better than Gump).
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Post by SM on Feb 17, 2018 6:12:43 GMT
Predictions on the Top Three. 1. Raging Bull 2. Goodfellas 3. Saving Private Ryan Star Wars is making the list I think, so 1 of those isn’t.
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Post by RagnarokMike on Feb 17, 2018 6:49:15 GMT
Definitely "Saving Private Ryan," it's almost universally agreed upon that SPR losing to "Shakespeare in Love" is one of the most baffling turnouts of the Oscars, so that'll probably be #1. So if either Raging Bull or Goodfellas doesn't make it, I'm thinking Raging Bull, because while I've never seen it, I've heard great things of "Ordinary People." Got enough film buffs here, that may be true enough that it's no snub. "Dances with Wolves" had a decent reception too, but seems to grow more lukewarm as time goes on, while "Goodfellas" holds strong as a gangster classic, but it also might not have been so much to call it a snub, so I guess it could go either way if one of those two don't make it. I'm not a big enough Star Wars or Woody Allen fan to have an opinion on that year.
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Post by Shootist on Feb 17, 2018 7:49:41 GMT
I agree with CM Punk'd on the predicted top three. Star Wars wasn't really a snub and has never been prominently featured on snub lists. Annie Hall is held in pretty high regard as a worthy winner. So far only one of mine has made the top 10 but two of the three Punk'd listed is on my list as well.
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Post by mikec on Feb 17, 2018 15:53:25 GMT
If Brokeback Mountain didn’t make the list we did the list wrong.
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Post by UT on Feb 17, 2018 16:00:58 GMT
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Post by mikec on Feb 17, 2018 16:10:57 GMT
Welp I’d say we made the list wrong. Raging Bull was the one of CM’s list I was least sure of.
I’ve not seen it or Ordinary People.
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Post by UT on Feb 17, 2018 16:12:04 GMT
I hadn't watched Raging Bull before I submitted my list , I watched it a day or two before we started the countdown and didn't feel like changing my list but had I seen it sooner it probably would of made the top five of my list. Seems weird from me to love a black and white , period piece so much but when it's a masterclass of film making and acting such as Raging Bull you can't help but to walk away being moved and engrossed.
I've seen a lot of De Niro's career and I don't know that he's ever had a better performance than in Raging Bull. He's plays the intensity , the crazy obsessiveness , the boxing , the creepy so god damn well that you buy into everything the movie has to sell. He's backed up by a great performance by Pesci who drops some of the best lines and keeps some levity throughout at least the first part of an intense movie and plays the emotional scenes great as things really start to unravel.
So yeah , I don't know much about Ordinary People but I find it really hard to believe that it's up to the same class as Raging Bull. Unfair of me to really say that but I just respect what Scorsese and the cast of Raging Bull did so much and I know it's still making an impact today.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 17, 2018 16:29:19 GMT
Raging Bull is a fantastic movie and I'll forever feel honoured that I was able to study it as apart of my syllabus growing up. It's look into masculinity is fascinating and the way the movie is pieced together is nearly flawless.
In saying that, I prefer Elephants over Bulls. You heard me, Elephant Man was the biggest snub of 82 and arguably of all-time given it gets glossed over in these discussions. Again, biographical movies like this tend to suck (don't get me started on Theory of Everything, just don't) but this was an exception and proved that if Hollywood can give these artists chances and give them cart blanche, they'll deliver you a masterpiece. Elephant Man has amazing performances, a well laid out narrative that hits all the right notes and an ending that's perfect for the movie. Yes, it's a very British movie, but PW I implore you to check it out.
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Post by UT on Feb 17, 2018 16:29:22 GMT
Welp I’d say we made the list wrong. Raging Bull was the one of CM’s list I was least sure of. I’ve not seen it or Ordinary People. I was surprised it missed the list as well , but I think it was only on three lists and I know I put it at #10 out of respect because it definitely should of beaten Crash. Anything should of beaten Crash though. I just knocked it down because it's not a movie I ever plan on watching a second time , it was a good movie , well made movie and definitely better than Crash but it's just not my type of movie that's going to get me hooked. Had I seen Raging Bull a few days earlier it probably would have been bumped from my list altogether. That was an all around terrible year for the Oscars though , and I had only seen Crash and Brokeback Mountain so I had to put Brokeback. I would of put Walk the Line over the both of them.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 17, 2018 16:40:16 GMT
Yeah, 05 was a strange year for cinema. Plenty of 'good' movies but nothing I'd consider throwing awards at. One of the few years where adopting the PI method would check out. Would any movie from that year make a Top 100? Outside of Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, of course.
Paradise Now would probably be my pick, although admittedly I'd want to pick Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I'd also feel guilty if I didn't give Nic Cage a shout out for Lords of War - that's pushing for a Top 5 spot in my Cage countdown.
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Post by UT on Feb 17, 2018 16:50:56 GMT
Yeah, 05 was a strange year for cinema. Plenty of 'good' movies but nothing I'd consider throwing awards at. One of the few years where adopting the PI method would check out. Would any movie from that year make a Top 100? Outside of Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, of course. Paradise Now would probably be my pick, although admittedly I'd want to pick Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I'd also feel guilty if I didn't give Nic Cage a shout out for Lords of War - that's pushing for a Top 5 spot in my Cage countdown. A top 100 of what? Walk the Line would make a personal Top 100 of mine , but I do love Johnny Cash. I also think it was a really well made biopic with Reese Witherspoon in her best role ever - and I love me some Reese Witherspoon. Crash is generally considered to be the worst Oscar winner of the modern era though so I was still surprised to see Brokeback get so little love.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Feb 17, 2018 16:53:20 GMT
Martin Scorsese's prime years should have been regaled with Oscars for Best Picture and Director. But somehow it wasn't to be. The Academy must have had a major grudge on Scorsese during this time. I don't see how else he would continue to lose against lesser films and directors.
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Post by Big Pete on Feb 17, 2018 17:02:52 GMT
Yeah, 05 was a strange year for cinema. Plenty of 'good' movies but nothing I'd consider throwing awards at. One of the few years where adopting the PI method would check out. Would any movie from that year make a Top 100? Outside of Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, of course. Paradise Now would probably be my pick, although admittedly I'd want to pick Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I'd also feel guilty if I didn't give Nic Cage a shout out for Lords of War - that's pushing for a Top 5 spot in my Cage countdown. A top 100 of what? Walk the Line would make a personal Top 100 of mine , but I do love Johnny Cash. I also think it was a really well made biopic with Reese Witherspoon in her best role ever - and I love me some Reese Witherspoon. Crash is generally considered to be the worst Oscar winner of the modern era though so I was still surprised to see Brokeback get so little love. I reckon it would have a hard time making a definitive list. I could see how movies like Sin City, Batman Begins, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, V for Vendetta, Capote, Good Night and Good Luck, History of Violence etc. could make personal lists but they'd be glossed over by better or more influential movies.
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Post by mikec on Feb 17, 2018 17:03:45 GMT
Brokeback Mountain is a tremendous movie. I can see it not getting much traction on a wrestling message board, but it very much deserved a best picture award, even against better competition. And Crash is awful.
That’s not to say it deserved to be in the top 3 or its better than Raging Bull, but not in the top ten is surprising.
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Post by UT on Feb 17, 2018 17:18:26 GMT
Brokeback Mountain is a tremendous movie. I can see it not getting much traction on a wrestling message board, but it very much deserved a best picture award, even against better competition. And Crash is awful. That’s not to say it deserved to be in the top 3 or its better than Raging Bull, but not in the top ten is surprising. Wrestling board is a key aspect for sure , but I don't think we are THAT bad at PW. I can personally admit part of the reason I don't go back and rewatch it as much is because I have no interest in watching two men make love , make out or any of the sort. It doesn't offend me but it's also not something I find visually engrossing either and I could say the same for many of opposite sex love scenes in certain movies. It's a good movie , I'm glad to say that I've seen it and I will admit it should have beaten Crash. I just like a ton of other movies more and feel more connected to them.
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Post by UT on Feb 17, 2018 17:19:43 GMT
A top 100 of what? Walk the Line would make a personal Top 100 of mine , but I do love Johnny Cash. I also think it was a really well made biopic with Reese Witherspoon in her best role ever - and I love me some Reese Witherspoon. Crash is generally considered to be the worst Oscar winner of the modern era though so I was still surprised to see Brokeback get so little love. I reckon it would have a hard time making a definitive list. I could see how movies like Sin City, Batman Begins, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, V for Vendetta, Capote, Good Night and Good Luck, History of Violence etc. could make personal lists but they'd be glossed over by better or more influential movies. Sin City is a good shout , I watched that movie SO much back in the day - probably once a week for like a year. I loved it and don't know what happened but I haven't went back and watched it in probably a decade or so.
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