Seriously , is there anything this kid cannot do? He absolute lit up the combine after already being considered by many to be the best prospect in the class. Looking at the measurables and taking into account from everyone that he seems to be a stand up GREAT person ... he seems like a player you'd create in Madden. 

I can't help but feel that it leads to him being a bust - not anything I've seen from the player or anything - I think he is remarkable and the best player in the draft. It just always seems that whenever there is a prospect this perfect and this can't miss , they always miss for one reason or another. I don't see a way if he stays healthy he is going to flop but the football gods always find a way to remind us there is no sure things in football. 

The Browns have to take him #1 don't they? Fuck these quarterbackers - any number of them will be there at #4.

I don’t care how good he is, I can’t imagine ever suggesting an RB should be a number one pick. They’re just not valuable enough in the league.

Mar 5, 2018 20:31:49 GMT mikec said:

I don’t care how good he is, I can’t imagine ever suggesting an RB should be a number one pick. They’re just not valuable enough in the league.

This. The Steelers have the same PPG with and without Lev Bell since he was drafted. I hope the Browns go Barkley #1 so the Giants can have their pick of the quarterbacks. 

Both the Browns and Giants need quarterbacks, so I imagine Barkley is gonna go third.

Normally I would be against taking a running back with the first overall pick but considering Cleveland also owns the fourth overall pick and can take one of the top three QBs there, I would understand if they selected Barkley first. Cleveland feels like a cursed franchise anyway so whichever QB they end up taking will probably be a bust.

Who is everyone's favorite QB prospect?

I wish Barkley fell to the Jets at 6 and I would take him over any QB in this draft. Helps he is a Jets fan and maybe a future keeper for team Blindy in our keeper league.

I would only be cool with Rosen or Mayfield at 6 for the Jets, do not trade up for any QB by any means and I would be very scared of Darnold(Didn't impress his 2nd full year, refusing to throw at the combine to stick to sunny SoCal with his targets seem like red flags to me) and J. Allen(I saw this with Hackenbust that you can't take these inaccurate QBs and think you can get away with it....he has a rifle and is big but his technique is piss poor, I have seen enough). Mayfield's attitude may scare me but on a young, hungry team, I think he can be awesome. I like him even if he is undersized but then again I liked Sanchez and I thought if Sanchez kept his head on straight and didn't have such a garbage OC, he might have fared better but alas.

Rosen is not going to make it to 6, maybe I will watch him every Sunday in Big Blue though.

I would be cool with Lamar Jackson in round 2 but I doubt he slides but just saying. Please don't fuck this draft up McCagnan and Co. Please Denver win Kirk Cousins, move a QB down for the Jets. Screw Minnesota. 

Bring back MCGAWD and draft Mayfield and let the mentorship begin. Yeah it din't work for Johnny Manziel but I don't think Mayfield is going to be that, I think he cares about the game too much unlike Manziel. 

Mar 5, 2018 22:15:15 GMT @admin said:

Mar 5, 2018 20:31:49 GMT mikec said:

I don’t care how good he is, I can’t imagine ever suggesting an RB should be a number one pick. They’re just not valuable enough in the league.

This. The Steelers have the same PPG with and without Lev Bell since he was drafted. I hope the Browns go Barkley #1 so the Giants can have their pick of the quarterbacks. 

They also have a Hall of Fame quarterback and one of the best receivers of all time in that offense. 

You could look at it another way , the fact that highly picked running backs have changed the fortunes of their team for a few years now. 

Fournette was a huge factor that took the Jaguars to at least a competitive level. I doubted the pick at the time but he proved to be worth it. 

Todd Gurley was arguably the MVP of the league last year and carried a Rams offense to the playoffs. 

Zeke Elliot had a monster rookie year and the Cowboys flourished , took him out of the equation and they floundered. Even behind the "best line in football". 

Granted guys like Hunt and Kimara prove you can also find guys later on , but that doesn't mean that Barkley doesn't have value at the top of the draft. If he as good as advertised than I'd take him #1 overall and build an offense around that - you don't pass up blue chip prospects at any position if they are supposed to be the surest thing in the draft. 

Mar 6, 2018 0:05:56 GMT @theshow said:

Normally I would be against taking a running back with the first overall pick but considering Cleveland also owns the fourth overall pick and can take one of the top three QBs there, I would understand if they selected Barkley first. Cleveland feels like a cursed franchise anyway so whichever QB they end up taking will probably be a bust.

Who is everyone's favorite QB prospect?

I like Mayfield , got a lot of Brees in him I think. Allen is inconsistent with his accuracy , Rosen seems like a giant douchebag I'll be happy to root against and Darnold is a wild card with whom I don't know what to think about. 

I'd probably rank them:

1. Mayfield 
2. Darnold 
3. Allen 
4. Rosen

Mar 6, 2018 0:31:18 GMT UT said:

Mar 5, 2018 22:15:15 GMT @admin said:

This. The Steelers have the same PPG with and without Lev Bell since he was drafted. I hope the Browns go Barkley #1 so the Giants can have their pick of the quarterbacks. 

They also have a Hall of Fame quarterback and one of the best receivers of all time in that offense. 

You could look at it another way , the fact that highly picked running backs have changed the fortunes of their team for a few years now. 

Fournette was a huge factor that took the Jaguars to at least a competitive level. I doubted the pick at the time but he proved to be worth it. 

Todd Gurley was arguably the MVP of the league last year and carried a Rams offense to the playoffs. 

Zeke Elliot had a monster rookie year and the Cowboys flourished , took him out of the equation and they floundered. Even behind the "best line in football". 

Granted guys like Hunt and Kimara prove you can also find guys later on , but that doesn't mean that Barkley doesn't have value at the top of the draft. If he as good as advertised than I'd take him #1 overall and build an offense around that - you don't pass up blue chip prospects at any position if they are supposed to be the surest thing in the draft. 

Hard to give Fournette more credit than the Jags defense and they were also fine the games he didn’t play, and it took three years for Gurley and I need to see it more than one time to prove he isn’t the back of the season before.

And of course you pass up “the surest thing in the draft” if it isn’t at a position of value. I wouldn’t draft a sure thing center at number one either.

If the draft were being billed as bad as the Eric Fisher draft maybe I see the argument, but it’s not being graded that poorly and I would rather take my chances on getting an adequate running back later over an all pro first.

The Browns trading away from Wentz a couple of years ago also figures into things in my opinion. Their fans have already suffered through the lowest of the low, but imagine if they again pass up a QB and whoever the Giants pick ends up being a stud.

I get the theory of “there are three QBs, one will be left”, but I think any team with the ability to pick their one or take whoever’s left should always take their qb.

Take Barkley at number 1. The Browns will most likely have a choice have a choice of 2 of the 3 QBS remaining. Plus none of them are leaps and bounds better than the others.

Mar 7, 2018 2:55:33 GMT mikec said:

I get the theory of “there are three QBs, one will be left”, but I think any team with the ability to pick their one or take whoever’s left should always take their qb.

Agreed.   If you need a QB, you absolutely select the QB that you like best and the Browns are definitely in that category.

I kind of hope they don't though.   Cleveland is where QB's go to die, I'm not sure even Aaron Rodgers could  lead the Browns to a winning season.    

Mar 7, 2018 3:41:36 GMT Ed said:

Take Barkley at number 1. The Browns will most likely have a choice have a choice of 2 of the 3 QBS remaining. Plus none of them are leaps and bounds better than the others.

If they pass on a QB there’s practically no way that no team trades up to the Colts spot to take the second QB in front of Cleveland. You skip the first pick, you will get the third best QB in the draft.

Mar 6, 2018 17:01:49 GMT mikec said:

Mar 6, 2018 0:31:18 GMT UT said:

They also have a Hall of Fame quarterback and one of the best receivers of all time in that offense. 

You could look at it another way , the fact that highly picked running backs have changed the fortunes of their team for a few years now. 

Fournette was a huge factor that took the Jaguars to at least a competitive level. I doubted the pick at the time but he proved to be worth it. 

Todd Gurley was arguably the MVP of the league last year and carried a Rams offense to the playoffs. 

Zeke Elliot had a monster rookie year and the Cowboys flourished , took him out of the equation and they floundered. Even behind the "best line in football". 

Granted guys like Hunt and Kimara prove you can also find guys later on , but that doesn't mean that Barkley doesn't have value at the top of the draft. If he as good as advertised than I'd take him #1 overall and build an offense around that - you don't pass up blue chip prospects at any position if they are supposed to be the surest thing in the draft. 

Hard to give Fournette more credit than the Jags defense and they were also fine the games he didn’t play, and it took three years for Gurley and I need to see it more than one time to prove he isn’t the back of the season before.

And of course you pass up “the surest thing in the draft” if it isn’t at a position of value. I wouldn’t draft a sure thing center at number one either.

If the draft were being billed as bad as the Eric Fisher draft maybe I see the argument, but it’s not being graded that poorly and I would rather take my chances on getting an adequate running back later over an all pro first.

A running back surely can be a position of value , and yes if he's a "sure thing" you damn right I'd take almost any position at number one. I mean if you're going to tell me this guy at whatever position is going to have a 10 year career , 7 All Pro Teams , a few seasons as a MVP candidate than I'll take him every time. People like to act as if taking these quarterbacks is the only option all the time but what are the chances you even get a starter two years from now? 40%? The chances he's ever an All Pro or amongst the best? 20%? It's silly to think that a quarterback at #1 is the only option when you are probably statistically more likely to set your franchise back a few years than move it forward - obviously there is a chance they are amazing and you build a dynasty too but that's not the only way to build a team - especially from the ground up like the Browns are. 

Stick to your board , take the best players available and build a roster - otherwise the quarterback isn't going to matter. 

Mar 7, 2018 13:57:46 GMT mikec said:

Mar 7, 2018 3:41:36 GMT Ed said:

Take Barkley at number 1. The Browns will most likely have a choice have a choice of 2 of the 3 QBS remaining. Plus none of them are leaps and bounds better than the others.

If they pass on a QB there’s practically no way that no team trades up to the Colts spot to take the second QB in front of Cleveland. You skip the first pick, you will get the third best QB in the draft.

Or the best quarterback that you wanted all along? That's the thing , especially with this draft is that there is no real frontrunner right now and probably won't be come April. We don't know which of these four are going to be the best , could be Allen , could be Mayfield , could be Rosen and it could be Darnold. The Browns could have any number of them as the best QB on the board and would obviously take that into consideration when making their first pick. 

Take the best player first , and gamble with the second. 

Personally if I were them I'd offer Cousins like 40 million this season on a front loaded contract that drops to like 20 by year three , lock him up and build a team to see what you got. He isn't going to win them world championships but they can't worry about that right now - they need to get to .500 first and be able to competently evaluate the actual talent they have otherwise it's going to be a continuous blackhole. 

I think that every team has scouts and makes calculations as to who their preference is. If I’m running an organization, I’m taking my preference, not the third QB on my board hoping I was wrong.

As to the rest, meh. It’s not really worth the argument of saying “I disagree, well I disagree” for many more posts. I don’t think having a top level RB is necessary in the league and I don’t think you waste an opportunity like having the number one pick in a good draft on an RB. I am not a draftologist, but unless the draft is barren at premium positions I wouldn’t probably draft him at four either.

You assuming they all have the same preference though , not every team is going to have the same quarterback at their #1 prospect - I'm not saying take their third favorite QB and hope they were wrong. Take the sure thing with your first pick and gamble that your favorite quarterback falls back to you three picks later - especially once you take into consideration the buzz around the draft. I just don't understand the logic behind taking a player that regardless of what happens is more than likely going to be a bust than a success over a guy you could at least pencil into your lineup for the next decade and think is going to be one of the best in the game.

It's not really necessary , but it's a plus and teams proved this past season that you can succeed building your offense around a premium running back - the idea of where to take him in the draft differs as there has been success in any number of rounds but the idea that running backs are some dying breed and don't matter is what that has proven to be blown out of proportion. A running back can make the entire offense better , especially one as good as Barkley.

Gurley's reemergence made Goff better. Zeke no doubt made Dak better. Kimara made the Saints offense better. When Hunt was rolling the Chiefs offense was better. It's cliche but it still holds some truth , a running game can still be the best friend to a quarterback.

I’d rather take the QB I want and gamble that the RB I also love is there at number four than the other way around. Though I agree that there’s a chance they get both him and their favorite QB if they draft him first, the same is true if they draft a QB first and I’d rather have my preferred QB than my preferred RB in the draft.

And players bust out at every position. Trent Richardson was can’t miss.

I liked the way DJ put it on the latest Move the Sticks: a package of Darnold, Minkah and Ronald Jones looks better than Barkley, Allen and Isaiah Oliver.

Finally! One of my favorite weeks of the NFL season - the draft buzz is circling - the mocks are aplenty and I've finally spent weeks deep diving way too many college football players who will likely never matter but I don't give a shit. I love the draft.

Rumors for about the last 5 - 6 days is that Josh Allen is going to be the Browns #1 pick and I cringe for them. I had early rankings but after doing a little more research I've concluded that Allen is far and away my least favorite QB prospect and one most likely to bust out - he wasn't even that great in college at Wyoming. So typical Browns pick. I'd take all three guys ahead of him and ESPECIALLY Darnold who I like a lot more than I did months ago.

1. Cleveland Browns - Josh Allen , QB , Wyoming
2. New York Giants - Saquon Barkley , RB , Penn State 
3. New York Jets - Sam Darnold , QB , USC 
4. Cleveland Browns - Bradley Chubb , Edge , South Carolina 
5. Buffalo Bills (via Broncos) - Josh Rosen , QB , UCLA 
6. Green Bay Packers (via Colts) - Denzel Ward , CB , Ohio State 
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Derwin James , DB , Florida State 
8. Chicago Bears - Quinten Nelson , OG , Notre Dame 
9. San Francisco 49ers - Roquan Smith , LB , Georgia 
10. Arizona Cardinals (via Oakland) - Baker Mayfield , QB , Oklahoma 
11. Miami Dolphins - Vita Vea , DT , Washington 
12. Denver Broncos (via Buffalo) - Minkah Fitzpatrick , DB , Alabama 
13. Washington Redskins - Tremaine Edmunds , LB , Virginia Tech 
14. Indianapolis Colts - Mike McGlinchey , OT , Notre Dame 
15. Oakland Raiders - Jaire Alexander , CB , Louisville 
16. New England Patriots (via Baltimore) - Lamarr Jackson , QB , Louisville 
17. Los Angeles Chargers - Daron Payne , DT , Alabama 
18. Seattle Seahawks - Will Hernandez , OG , UTEP 
19. Dallas Cowboys - Calvin Ridley , WR , Alabama 
20. Detroit Lions - Marcus Davenport , DE , UTSA 
21. Cincinnati Bengals - Rashaan Evans , LB , Alabama 
22. Denver Broncos (via Buffalo) - Derrius Guice , RB , LSU 
23. Baltimore Ravens (via New England) - DJ Moore , WR , Maryland 
24. Carolina Panthers - Joshua Jackson , DB , Iowa 
25. Tennessee Titans - Harold Landry , Edge , Boston College 
26. Atlanta Falcons - Taven Bryan , DT , Florida 
27. New Orleans Saints - Hayden Hurst , TE , South Carolina 
28. Pittsburgh Steelers - Lorenzo Carter , LB/Edge , Georgia 
29. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kolton Miller , OT , UCLA 
30. Cleveland Browns (via Vikings) Sony Michel , RB , Georgia 
31. New England Patriots - Mike Hughes , CB , UCF 
32. Indianapolis Colts (via Philadelphia) - James Daniels , OC , Iowa 

Tear that mock apart ladies! Just know that you're wrong ahead of time.

I put it together in about 20 minutes hoping for some back and forth. Wish I could of put my thoughts behind every pick/trade but didn't have the time.

Obviously we have no real way of knowing but I'm sticking with my belief that the Giants will be drafting a QB at #2 or trading down if someone is desperate to get whoever Cleveland doesn't take.

I agree that it looks quite likely that the Colts will trade out of #6 but it will be with a team who moves up to get a QB who might still be on the board.

I think Dallas are more likely to get Cortland Sutton than Calvin Ridley.

Also aren’t the colts on record saying they won’t go lower than 12? I read them somewhere saying there were 4 QBs and 8 top tier prospects and they weren’t going to miss on them.

Apr 24, 2018 4:20:00 GMT @admin said:

Obviously we have no real way of knowing but I'm sticking with my belief that the Giants will be drafting a QB at #2 or trading down if someone is desperate to get whoever Cleveland doesn't take.

I agree that it looks quite likely that the Colts will trade out of #6 but it will be with a team who moves up to get a QB who might still be on the board.

I think Dallas are more likely to get Cortland Sutton than Calvin Ridley.

I don't know , I think the Giants are rightfully asking a lot and while it could all be smoke and mirrors with Gettlemens statements - it looks more and more likely to me that they take Barkley. Plus I want to root for him so him going to the Giants would prohibit that and make total sense. 

They could trade down with anyone really , I don't think it has to be a quarterback friendly team. And to mikec's point - I heard today they were will to go down to 15 or 16 because they feel as if they are on a quick rebuild and think there are stars to be had in the whole top half of the draft. I put the Packers there , which is unlikely but not out of the question and it's Gutekunst's first draft and he will want to make a splash and we have one GLARING need at cornerback and there is a huge drop off after Ward IMO. I doubt it happens but it makes sense to get ahead of the Bucs , Bears , Niners and Raiders if they want a legitimate shot at Ward. Also we have 12 draft picks , not all of them can make this team - so I expect a trade up from the Packers in at least the first two rounds. 

As for Sutton , I get it and the mocks have all but penciled it in but I don't think a lot of those scenarios have Ridley dropping there , which I think he could. Plus Sutton is too much like Dez Bryant as a player - possession and really a poor route runner who relies on his physicality to win jump balls and such. They need someone with speed and route running ability and Ridley is that and a MUCH better complimentary piece to Dak and the rest of Dallas's offense. 

Part of the reason why Dez is out of Dallas besides his contract is his lack of route running and overall style of play doesn't fit where the Cowboys want to go. They need guys who can get separation and Sutton isn't exactly that type of prospect. 

If the Browns don’t draft Barkley first, they need to go fuck themselves. You got 1st and 4th pick. Get Barkley first. Worst case scenario, you lose out on Darnold and Rosen. So what? Then you got Allen and Mayfield.

I’m amped for tonight’s first round draft. When have both the Giants and Jets each had a pick in the top 3? I’m going to say never.

My predictions for the first four picks considering there could be trades everywhere after that are:

Browns- Baker Mayfield. Seems to be what a lot of owners think the Browns are going to do with the first pick.

Giants- Saquon Barkley. Oh how I hope. If the Giants take a QB, I wouldn’t be so mad but they have a chance to recreate the greatest show in football with that offense. Plus, it could make OBJ expendable depending on how great SB really is. If OBJ continues to play games, the Giants could trade him and build around Barkley.

Jets- Sam Darnold. It’s kind of who the fan base wanted during the season so it makes sense. Of course the Jets could fuck up the draft and take a Tight End.

Browns- Bradley Chubb. If the Giants take a QB, Chubb will fall in the draft as Cleveland will certainly take Barkley here. However, I wouldn’t be mad at Cleveland if they took Ridley at 4 (who will be a superstar) and matched him up with Baker and Flash.

LETS GO!

Draft party!

I've crammed in every podcast I could over the past week or so in anticipation for tonight. Whatever happens it's exciting to have my team picking early for the first time since I've been a fan. Looking forward to seeing how the dominoes fall.