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Post by SM on Mar 28, 2018 17:41:02 GMT
Minority Report was #5 on my list and only because I love 4 films more. This is one of my favorite sci-fi films. Tom Cruise is so good in this and I really enjoy the themes of this film.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 28, 2018 17:49:31 GMT
It's been a while since I read the Dick short, and I actually read it after seeing the movie, and/but I do recall it being petty different. But I don't know if there was enough in the short to provide for a 1:1 movie adaptation. The movie was always going to need to be expanded IMO, and I think the movie did fine in how it approached it. It's way less of an offense than how Starship Troopers veered away from the book (at least in tone).
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Post by UT on Mar 28, 2018 18:04:35 GMT
It's been a while since I read the Dick short, and I actually read it after seeing the movie, and/but I do recall it being petty different. But I don't know if there was enough in the short to provide for a 1:1 movie adaptation. The movie was always going to need to be expanded IMO, and I think the movie did fine in how it approached it. It's way less of an offense than how Starship Troopers veered away from the book (at least in tone). From what I've read there are quite a bit of differences. A lot to do with Anderton. One of the most important and best changes was the fact that in the book apparently , Anderton was a middle aged kind of washed up cop with no family or anything. Now obviously in the movie it's Cruise who has an estranged wife and deceased child - but that (to me) is one of the most important parts of the movie because without that feeling of empathy for Cruise and seeing him mouth the words to those heartbreaking home video's you wouldn't care nearly as much about him or the journey. It creates an important emotional connection to the most pivotal person in the movie. And then obviously if that's the case , he doesn't kill Crowe in the book because there would be no reason to. I don't even think there is a Crowe in the book to my knowledge. There's a handful more things people were upset about but I agree with the changes made because they were the right choices for the movie , and I doubt a 1:1 adaptation was possible from what I gather. The book sounds kind of lame compared to the movie but that's just an opinion spurned from ignorance as I haven't read the short story.
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Post by PB on Mar 28, 2018 20:55:17 GMT
I love Minority Report because of its ambition. When a Blockbuster doesn't assume its audience is stupid and may want to think about big issues, it automatically gets a few brownie points from me. Now that isn't enough in an of itself for a film to be good of course, but it's a personal bias that helps me enjoy something. So Minority Report asks these big questions about free will and determinism and justice and love in a Steven Spielberg movie starring Tom Cruise? That's very exciting to me.
On top of this I think it's one of Cruise's last great performances before he became a parody of himself. I think the world that the film inhabits, while not unique in cinema, is really vivid and well constructed and believable. There are weaknesses of course. I don't think the rest of the cast are great and it suffers from there being much better films in the genre, but I love it and am glad it has made this list.
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Post by UT on Mar 29, 2018 14:08:10 GMT
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Post by UT on Mar 29, 2018 14:12:10 GMT
This is the second time now Catch Me If You Can appears on a Top Ten and it was shocking to me that it was in even more danger than Minority Report of missing the overall list until the last few lists came in and really jumped it up. I love the movie , it was my #4 favorite Spielberg and IMO really shows his kind of range as a director.
Consider the fact that this was released the same year as Minority Report and just how insanely different and great they are , and the fact they excel in a lot of different ways and it really speaks to the masterclass of director that Spielberg stands alone in. The stories of being on the run can be somewhat similar but the tone , the way it was shot , the performances are all totally different.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 29, 2018 15:22:25 GMT
This is the second time now Catch Me If You Can appears on a Top Ten and it was shocking to me that it was in even more danger than Minority Report of missing the overall list until the last few lists came in and really jumped it up. I love the movie , it was my #4 favorite Spielberg and IMO really shows his kind of range as a director. Consider the fact that this was released the same year as Minority Report and just how insanely different and great they are , and the fact they excel in a lot of different ways and it really speaks to the masterclass of director that Spielberg stands alone in. The stories of being on the run can be somewhat similar but the tone , the way it was shot , the performances are all totally different. I remember randomly seeing this in theatres with my parents and being strangely very invested in seeing it despite knowing nothing about it. I also remember really enjoying it, but then never rewatching it. I don't think I ever realized it was directed by Spielberg until either the previous countdown that it appeared on or when preparing my list for this. I also didn't realize it came out the same year as Minority Report. That factoid plus how different they are is pretty neat to think about.
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Post by RT on Mar 29, 2018 15:37:49 GMT
1. Close Encounters of the Third Kind 2. 3. 4. 5. Hook 6. 7. 8. 9. Catch Me If You Can 10.
I actually forgot this was a Spielberg movie until I was doing my list. Just a really good movie all around. One of my favourite "rainy day" movies.
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Post by UT on Mar 30, 2018 14:19:02 GMT
This is one of the polarizing movies between me and a small group of friends who also love movies , we've had a few small debates over it at work a few times. They don't totally agree with my stance on why I don't rate it higher but with me , rewatchability is a huge factor for any movie and while I acknowledge its a wonderful and powerful movie that I am happy I seen once and a movie I respect the living hell out of - I don't know that I'll ever be in the mood on a lazy Sunday afternoon and be like "Hey , lets watch Schindler's list". So yeah it made my list because it deserves to be recognized but I bumped it down for those very reasons.
Overall it's one of Spielbergs most important movies to his very own resume , it's one of the main arguments in his favor of being the greatest director of all time because it clearly showed his versatility in terms of type's of movie he can make and the subject matter in which he covers. You can tell it was a very important movie to him. Also a pretty fucking boss move by him donating all the money he would have made off this film to charity for survivors of genocide.
It's one of the most revered and widely considered one of the best movies ever made. It crushed the Oscars as well - and its one I'm most curious to what others on here have to say .. kind of surprised it only finished #6.
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Post by Emperor on Mar 30, 2018 14:41:38 GMT
When I rank films and make lists for countdowns, I prioritise entertainment value over everything else. Often but not always the most entertaining films have excellent characters/story/acting/cinematography, so it's rarely a problem for me where I love a film but it's "objectively" bad in some way.
Schindler's List suffers from the reverse problem. I didn't find it very entertaining, but it's obvious that it's brilliant (albeit very dark) story told in a brilliant way, so I ranked it higher than it would be ranked if I went solely by my usual criteria. Some scenes were absolutely fantastic and mesmerising, whether it's because of the horrifying imagery, or maybe a suspenseful scene, or a thought-provoking dialogue. However, as a whole, I found myself disinterested in the majority of the scenes, and I feel that the film would have been a lot better, or at least more palatable, if significant portions of the film were cut out. But I'll give credit where credit is due: the film looks stunning, Neeson and Fiennes are absolutely phenomenal, and the final scene tugged at the heartstrings like few other scenes do, in spite of me not being fully invested in the story.
Since personal enjoyment and rewatchability often go in hand in hand, UT's views on this film match my own. I recognise its power in capturing the atrocities of WWII, but I'd never want to watch it again.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 30, 2018 15:32:44 GMT
kind of surprised it only finished #6. Like I said on the previous page: Figure E.T., Jaws, Jurrasic Park, SPR, and at least one IJ movie fill out 5 of the remaining seven spots. Guess they're filling out the final five. Six feels about right for Schindler's List, without having ever seen it, just based on how important it was but also for the drawbacks that you gents have mentioned.
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Post by Big Pete on Mar 30, 2018 15:41:31 GMT
Schindler's List - Great movie, not a great 'Spielberg' movie. Like others, I watch Spielberg to escape, not to be confronted with images of our terrible past. I still had to give it a vote as one of his better movies, but it was never going to be a Top 5 pick from me.
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Post by SM on Mar 30, 2018 16:59:52 GMT
Schindler’s list is his best movie, but it didn’t make my list. My list was of my favorites and Schindler’s List while great has 0 rewatch value.
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Post by mikec on Mar 30, 2018 18:00:53 GMT
I’ve never seen Schindler’s List.
Catch Me If You Can and Minirity Report we’re both in my top 5 though. Very entertaining movies that are easy to rewatch. I think if I’d had time to go back over his movies they might have slid down my list (turns out I have way more experience with directors who ape Spielberg than Spielberg himself), but I have no regrets with those two going high on my list.
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Post by thereallt on Mar 30, 2018 19:57:51 GMT
Schindler's List was my easy #1. As a rule I DO NOT cry during movies, yet I bawled like a baby by the end of Schindler's List. No other film has ever been able to get that kind of reaction out of me. It's easily the most powerful film I've ever seen.
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Post by 🤯 on Mar 30, 2018 20:40:00 GMT
I’ve never seen Schindler’s List. Catch Me If You Can and Minirity Report we’re both in my top 5 though. Very entertaining movies that are easy to rewatch. I think if I’d had time to go back over his movies they might have slid down my list (turns out I have way more experience with directors who ape Spielberg than Spielberg himself), but I have no regrets with those two going high on my list. I'm curious to know who these Spielberg apes are. Schindler's List was my easy #1. As a rule I DO NOT cry during movies, yet I bawled like a baby by the end of Schindler's List. No other film has ever been able to get that kind of reaction out of me. It's easily the most powerful film I've ever seen. How do you follow such a rule? I always want to seem tough too and even emotionally callous during tearjekrer moments, but then I feel the tears well up regardless of what I want. Maybe I just have some deep-seated(seeded?) unresolved personal issues?
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Post by PB on Mar 30, 2018 21:27:16 GMT
I wanted to watch Schindler's List for this list, but just never had a 3 hour plus window and I didn't want to watch it in parts. I've no doubt it would rank high if I'd seen it, but I have just never been in the frame of mind to actually watch it.
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Post by mikec on Mar 30, 2018 22:51:01 GMT
I’ve never seen Schindler’s List. Catch Me If You Can and Minirity Report we’re both in my top 5 though. Very entertaining movies that are easy to rewatch. I think if I’d had time to go back over his movies they might have slid down my list (turns out I have way more experience with directors who ape Spielberg than Spielberg himself), but I have no regrets with those two going high on my list. I'm curious to know who these Spielberg apes are. The one that immediately comes to mind is JJ Abrams. Also I could never try to hold in the tears. Movies make me cry all the time. Not often for sad bits, usually just the cheesy happy ending bits. When I was a kid my grandpa told me (after Curly Sue of all cheesy things) that if you didn’t cry for something like that you weren’t human. I felt bad for fighting back tears then, I don’t do it anymore.
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Post by Lionheart on Mar 31, 2018 3:22:00 GMT
First things first, I was initially shocked to see Schindler's List placed so low. That is easily without a doubt the best Spielberg film on objective grounds. But then I yet again realized that most people voted based on how much they liked the movie, myself included. So, the quality is rather irrelevant. I just assumed the movie would get placed on top without even thinking about it, but this actually makes sense. I only placed it at #2 myself, but I was still shocked because it is so hard to keep that fine distinction in your mind between quality and enjoyment. Most statements people make about movies can interchangeably mean either and most people I know refuse to admit there even is a distinction.
It is actually interesting to see that Emperor placed it higher than he would have if based on his personal enjoyment alone, as I would have assumed everyone was voting solely based on their own enjoyment.
This is an important movie for me because it is one of the first technically phenomenal movies that I ever watched and loved. I wasn't into film that much until I was around 18, and I watched a group of films at that point that just blew me away and gave me that awe inspiring feeling that led me to see the magic in movies. That can still happen now, but the first few times had more of an effect since I wasn't used to seeing anything like them. I'm probably forgetting one, but I think the order was first seeing Patton and then Ben-Hur and then Schindler's List.
I haven't seen the film again since then so I can't recall too many specifics, but I remember the powerful feeling I had as the movie ended and knowing I had made such a great decision to spend my time on watching it. It almost made me want to do nothing but watch more movies. It isn't just a good movie though that made that happen, it's just such an inspiring movie and although focusing on such a negative topic it managed to emit such a strong feeling of hope. There are other movies, like Taxi Driver, that affected me in a much different way. I was really impressed by how good that one was as well but it made me not want to watch another movie for a while because it was so depressing. Schindler's List may be the best movie I have seen that gave me the more positive kind of feeling.
Anyway, how in the cold blue HELL is Catch Me If You Can at #7? I expected that one to be top 3 for sure. It's the first Spielberg movie I ever saw, so maybe I am biased, but that is a damn likable movie. Anyone who didn't put that higher is crazy.
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Post by UT on Mar 31, 2018 16:40:16 GMT
ET is such great , perfect movie - it was my #2 and could have easily made my #1 on any given day. It's pure Spielberg magic IMO and I might fight anyone who wants to disparage it.
It's a movie that I heard get a lot of crap for like a decade and I never really went back to it and just figured meh , it must not hold up as well - but then I rediscovered it with both my kids at different times and watching it through their eyes really just renewed my love and made me realize those ET haters just didn't seem to get it anymore and probably don't remember it very well. My kids laughed , got intense , cried and the whole nine yards just like so many kids did the first time they seen it. The movie holds up better than just about any other from that era because the themes are strong and the connection Spielberg made with the audience will never fade.
It's Spielbergs most successful movie of all time , nothing comes THAT close. And if you can go back and revisit this alongside a child , or your child - you'll rediscover the magic. It's the like the perfect family movie and #5 is too god damn low.
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Post by thereallt on Mar 31, 2018 17:59:28 GMT
Confession time.... I am NOT a huge fan of E.T. Even considering it was THE family film of my generation I just never really could get into it, even when I was a child. I honesty found it kind of boring. It was still a better alien film than Close Encounters though.
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Post by RT on Apr 1, 2018 1:48:54 GMT
1. Close Encounters of the Third Kind 2. 3. E.T. 4. 5. Hook 6. 7. 8. 9. Catch Me If You Can 10. Schindler's List
I wasn't sure if Schindler's List would rank high or not. When this first got decided I figured it was a guaranteed top 3, but then as I looked at Spielberg's filmography and saw all the movies I was forgetting, I figured it would slide a bit, and I was right.
It's an excellent movie but far from Spielberg's best, I think. It was sloppy at times and I always thought that shooting it in black and white was too gimmicky for Spielberg. I always felt what made that movie great was the cast, not Spielberg himself. Neeson, Kingsley and Fiennes made that film.
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 1, 2018 3:40:15 GMT
I hated E.T. growing up, and think I still do to this day. Come at me, UT!
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Post by thereallt on Apr 1, 2018 3:53:21 GMT
I couldn't disagree more. Shooting in B&W really brought out the bleak atmosphere and sense of hopelessness in the ghettos. The film would have lost quite a bit of it's power if it had been shot fully in color IMO.
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Post by UT on Apr 1, 2018 14:55:47 GMT
I was more than a little surprised this made it this high , I seen it awhile back with my daughter on Netflix and thought it was solid (she loved it) but in no way fucking possible is it a better movie , or family movie than ET which finished right behind it. Shame on all of you PW. And 🤯 - that fight will be coming brother. Imma lite you up like ET's finger , bitch.
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Post by 🤯 on Apr 1, 2018 18:19:30 GMT
I was more than a little surprised this made it this high , I seen it awhile back with my daughter on Netflix and thought it was solid (she loved it) but in no way fucking possible is it a better movie , or family movie than ET which finished right behind it. Shame on all of you PW. And 🤯 - that fight will be coming brother. Imma lite you up like ET's finger , bitch. What the fuck... Haven't seen BFG yet, and even being an ET hater, I'm pretty WTF about this ranking...
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Post by RT on Apr 1, 2018 19:04:47 GMT
The BFG fucking sucked. My kids didn't even like it. What the hell?
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