Why on earth is Moxley trademarking Jay White's nickname?

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{Spoiler}That's a joke.

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{Spoiler}But I don't give a flying fuck about Sami Callahan. He's a shit switchblade. Moxley will interest me much less if he's tagging with that guy.

Oh yeah... They coming...

Aug 16, 2021 19:24:41 GMT Emperor said:

Why on earth is Moxley trademarking Jay White's nickname?

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{Spoiler}That's a joke.

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{Spoiler}But I don't give a flying fuck about Sami Callahan. He's a shit switchblade. Moxley will interest me much less if he's tagging with that guy.

He is the wrestling equivalent of the little brother saying MOM SAID YOU HAVE TO TAKE ME!

Ugh.

Still baffling that Jim Ross wasn't at least taken off TV after calling Thunder Rosa and Britt Baker "damaged goods" after their crazy, bloody main event.

Like, just have Tony Khan come out on Tv, tap him on the shoulder, "You're never doing commentary again." Cut off his headset, have Lance Archer drag him to the back.

Aug 16, 2021 19:09:00 GMT KITN said:

Max Caster is selling his AEW gear on ebay because he's a stupid motherfucker. "Hey, look, we just want you to attend a couple of sensitivity courses because there's, like, four things you can't say in your raps. That's literally it."

"FUCK YOU, I'LL NEVER WRESTLE AGAIN! I'LL KILL YOU!"

They are bringing in a guy who has used a homophobic slur in the past this Friday, Sammy Guevara turned down Impact wanting to do something with him after what he said and is pushed heavily still, Max Caster is just trying to make money since he is getting 2 months worth of unpaid sensitivity courses. Unpaid.

Aug 16, 2021 20:29:22 GMT Blindy said:

Aug 16, 2021 19:09:00 GMT KITN said:

Max Caster is selling his AEW gear on ebay because he's a stupid motherfucker. "Hey, look, we just want you to attend a couple of sensitivity courses because there's, like, four things you can't say in your raps. That's literally it."

"FUCK YOU, I'LL NEVER WRESTLE AGAIN! I'LL KILL YOU!"

They are bringing in a guy who has used a homophobic slur in the past this Friday, Sammy Guevara turned down Impact wanting to do something with him after what he said and is pushed heavily still, Max Caster is just trying to make money since he is getting 2 months worth of unpaid sensitivity courses. Unpaid.

Honestly, the whole thing is fucked up. You have a heel that actually gets heat, you know that thing they're supposed to do and he gets punished for it, because most of society has turned into whiny little bitches.

Can you honestly imagine if this shit happened back in the day? Guys like Chris Jericho, The Rock, and Shawn Michaels never would have become the stars they did.

Aug 16, 2021 20:36:03 GMT Lony said:

Aug 16, 2021 20:29:22 GMT Blindy said:

They are bringing in a guy who has used a homophobic slur in the past this Friday, Sammy Guevara turned down Impact wanting to do something with him after what he said and is pushed heavily still, Max Caster is just trying to make money since he is getting 2 months worth of unpaid sensitivity courses. Unpaid.

Honestly, the whole thing is fucked up. You have a heel that actually gets heat, you know that thing they're supposed to do and he gets punished for it, because most of society has turned into whiny little bitches.

Can you honestly imagine if this shit happened back in the day? Guys like Chris Jericho, The Rock, and Shawn Michaels never would have become the stars they did.

Tony Khan listens to social media and that's AEW prerogative so it just won't fly in this day and age. Probably not the best thing Caster has said but I doubt Tony Khan had no idea about the rap or anything being aired on that episode, that seems suspect to me. Seemed to throw Caster under the bus despite this going through editing and all, probably the worst way to go about it IMO.


I just find it funny they are bringing in CM Punk shortly after all of this, a guy that makes people uncomfortable in the locker room because it's a business ploy. 

So.....is Punk actually showing up this week?

Seems to me that if he doesn't, a lot of people are going to be upset.....

There's absolutely no way Punk doesn't show up on Rampage.

It’s an odd place to debut him. I know it’s in Chicago but to me it’s a missed opportunity to get a big number, whether it be a big Dynamite rating or a big PPV number. I would understand if it was the first episode of Rampage to kick it off but it’s not. Makes me think Punk asked for the earliest Chicago show and got it.

Oh yeah, CM Punk is gonna show up, at this point he's going to have too. I would imagine there would be backlash that AEW, wouldn't want to deal with, if he doesn't. Not to mention, a damn good way to lose members of their fan base.

Aug 16, 2021 20:36:03 GMT Lony said:

Aug 16, 2021 20:29:22 GMT Blindy said:

They are bringing in a guy who has used a homophobic slur in the past this Friday, Sammy Guevara turned down Impact wanting to do something with him after what he said and is pushed heavily still, Max Caster is just trying to make money since he is getting 2 months worth of unpaid sensitivity courses. Unpaid.

Honestly, the whole thing is fucked up. You have a heel that actually gets heat, you know that thing they're supposed to do and he gets punished for it, because most of society has turned into whiny little bitches.

Can you honestly imagine if this shit happened back in the day? Guys like Chris Jericho, The Rock, and Shawn Michaels never would have become the stars they did.

It did. You had the FCC and different crazy Mother's groups going after the WWF and later the WWE all the time. Except WWF didn't give a fuck in those days. (See the Woodstock 99 thread on some context into late 1990s pop culture)

And today, you either go about being offensive unapologetically or bow down to the pressure. How a program like Family Guy exists in 2021 is hilarious. A show that routinely mocks race, regilion, the disabled, etc.

I saw an episode recently where Peter traded Meg to a minor character for sex. The punchline was the minor character confused a 'hot girl' for Meg and asked if she could 'scream and beg for help' or something along those lines, once Peter realised the mistake, he grinned and said 'I think that can be arranged'

Now, how offensive was Max Caster's comment compared to that?

Was a different time, especially as interest is at an all time low the last thing you wanna do is piss off sponsors/the network since that's where the real money is coming from especially WWE.

Nah his rap wasn't even that bad, it got way blown out of proportion.

I'm just saying imagine The Rock being suspended for two months because of saying he'd forcibly shove things up people's candy asses, or Chris Jericho suspended for calling a woman a two dollar ho. It would be absolutely ridiculous, just like this is. Obviously though, it's Tony Khan's company, so he can do as he pleases, I just think the situation wasn't handled all that well.

Also Khan not knowing about the rap before they aired Dark on YouTube? I don't buy that for a second, unless he's that incompetent to not know how his company is being run. He absolutely knew about it and threw Caster's ass under the bus to protect his own ass.

Aug 16, 2021 22:39:45 GMT Lony said:

Nah his rap wasn't even that bad, it got way blown out of proportion.

I'm just saying imagine The Rock being suspended for two months because of saying he'd forcibly shove things up people's candy asses, or Chris Jericho suspended for calling a woman a two dollar ho. It would be absolutely ridiculous, just like this is. Obviously though, it's Tony Khan's company, so he can do as he pleases, I just think the situation wasn't handled all that well.

Also Khan not knowing about the rap before they aired Dark on YouTube? I don't buy that for a second, unless he's that incompetent to not know how his company is being run. He absolutely knew about it and threw Caster's ass under the bus to protect his own ass.

Using the excuse of "it was ok 20 years ago!" is dumb. Do better.

Aug 16, 2021 23:27:50 GMT RT said:

Aug 16, 2021 22:39:45 GMT Lony said:

Nah his rap wasn't even that bad, it got way blown out of proportion.

I'm just saying imagine The Rock being suspended for two months because of saying he'd forcibly shove things up people's candy asses, or Chris Jericho suspended for calling a woman a two dollar ho. It would be absolutely ridiculous, just like this is. Obviously though, it's Tony Khan's company, so he can do as he pleases, I just think the situation wasn't handled all that well.

Also Khan not knowing about the rap before they aired Dark on YouTube? I don't buy that for a second, unless he's that incompetent to not know how his company is being run. He absolutely knew about it and threw Caster's ass under the bus to protect his own ass.

Using the excuse of "it was ok 20 years ago!" is dumb. Do better.

Not at all, but Max Caster the wrestler is a fictional character, no different than any other fictional character on TV, that occasionally say and do questionable things, you wouldn't however expect actors to take sensitivity training after playing a role.

As far as I'm concerned this is no different. Tony Khan got backlash and instead iof manning up, he decided to throw one of his employees under the bus and act like he had no idea.

Aug 16, 2021 23:32:57 GMT Lony said:

Aug 16, 2021 23:27:50 GMT RT said:

Using the excuse of "it was ok 20 years ago!" is dumb. Do better.

Not at all, but Max Caster the wrestler is a fictional character, no different than any other fictional character on TV, that occasionally say and do questionable things, you wouldn't however expect actors to take sensitivity training after playing a role.

As far as I'm concerned this is no different. Tony Khan got backlash and instead iof manning up, he decided to throw one of his employees under the bus and act like he had no idea.

He paid for Jimmy Havoc's rehab until he let him go. Why does Caster get 2 months vs Guevara's 1? Because the latter said this years prior, which Khan punished him for when he wasn't even on his payroll? 

When someone messes up next, probably MJF, then what? 3 months just because? And I like MJF but the stuff he says on social media that I showed proof of pages ago gets no scolding by Khan, and if anything is rewarded with main event TV time because he's being such a great heel. I get why someone like Caster sees that and thinks it's unfair. 

Darby Allin has allegations going against him and is allowed to be on weekly TV, allegations far worse than the one slipup Caster had with his rap(Keep in mind he's always walked over the line but it was this due to social media outrage that got Khan's attention).

There's no consistency from Khan at all in what he deems offensive vs what isn't. Fat shaming people is fine but The Simone Biles/mental health joke is where you get angry?

His temper tantrum shows they do not need him. AEW got too much talent, people like are simply not needed. What he did then does not matter anymore now. And he got two months so he would not return while Dragon and Punk were debuting.

Frankly most promoters I know would not bring back guys who got the backlash Caster did.  It just is not good for business and is a liability.  

Tony Kahn will eventually evolve into Nick.

This also was not his first offense. He had heat with Moxley for comments about Renee.

Aug 16, 2021 23:54:26 GMT c said:

His temper tantrum shows they do not need him. AEW got too much talent, people like are simply not needed. What he did then does not matter anymore now. And he got two months so he would not return while Dragon and Punk were debuting.

Frankly most promoters I know would not bring back guys who got the backlash Caster did.  It just is not good for business and is a liability.  

What is the temper tantrum? Selling his gear for money? Unfollowing a few people on twitter? He hasn't thrown the company under the bus unlike what Khan and co. did to him to take a fall for the editing crew not catching the rap.

He ended the auction but said this:


This set of gear has been worn on AEW Dynamite. I’ve worn this in matches against Chris Jericho, MJF, the Young Bucks, Jon Moxley, SCU, & more.



Need some extra $ this month and I don’t think I’ll be needing this stuff anymore… Get it off my hands! Will personalize an autograph on kneepads at request.



Perfect collectors item for AEW fans!



Thanks!

Guy needs the money. No shame in it, especially if he's losing 2 months worth of pay.

Aug 16, 2021 23:32:57 GMT Lony said:

Aug 16, 2021 23:27:50 GMT RT said:

Using the excuse of "it was ok 20 years ago!" is dumb. Do better.

Not at all, but Max Caster the wrestler is a fictional character, no different than any other fictional character on TV, that occasionally say and do questionable things, you wouldn't however expect actors to take sensitivity training after playing a role.

As far as I'm concerned this is no different. Tony Khan got backlash and instead iof manning up, he decided to throw one of his employees under the bus and act like he had no idea.

Fictional character like MJF, who is arguably the best heel on the planet and doesn't have to make rape jokes and anti-vax comments to get over?

You're about to go out on the road in front of crowds at an incredibly important time in your new company's history during a pandemic, and you walk out on stage and joke about a famous rape case and call PCR tests fake. He should be thanking Tony Khan for not firing him on the spot and frankly I'm amazed that you're defending him.

And whether Khan knew or not doesn't matter. You think if I was on my job site laughing about rape and a customer complained to my boss that he would take the blame and not punish me? Are you serious?

Remember with Zeb Colter broke character and had to remind everyone that wrestling isn't real. 

And that is the wrestling paradox. 

The media and detractors will constantly remind the business, that " wrestling is fake " then something comes along, and they can't distinguish between the character on screen and the person playing the role. In this case, a character said something naughty. 

But I guess being a heel in AEW is really just about high-fiving each other, too-sweeting and being generally obnoxious. By default, MJF is the greatest heel in the company and he's barely scratching the surface of what a heel used to be. 

He's coming off like a pouty little child who's sulking because they've been told off. Why can't anyone just admit they fucked up, own it, and move on and do better in the future?

Anyone defending this by comparing it to edgy stuff in wrestling years ago is so far off base. HE MADE A RAPE JOKE ON A SHOW WHERE THEY WERE RAISING MONEY FOR A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARITY.

End of the day the boss did not want this shit in his fed and he brought it into the fed. AEW is lucky it did not cost them sponsors.  Or Duke suing them, they do not find jokes like that humorous there and have a great legal department.  That PCR joke could have resulted in a youtube strike against AEW.  Given they heavily make use of youtube, getting banned from there just so someone can try to get heat is not a good idea.  


It does not matter whether he said the things or the character. It was offensive either way and not something a lot of the locker room wanted associated with AEW. He did not get the heat he wanted anyway from the rap, so not sure where people are going with this. The live crowd was not into it and the people at home were not into it. There was no one like wow that rap got me really fired up to see him get his ass beat. It was wtf, I do not want to continue watching a product like this.

Let's just all agree that AEW's inner circle (not's Jericho's Inner Circle) aren't as clean-cut as they want you to believe - after all, they ran with Joey Ryan & Marty Scrull for a long time. What's a little joke, when your boys are allegedly guilty of it.

You bring that up far more often than is remotely warranted or necessary. Just because you don't like them as wrestlers or their public personas doesn't mean it's OK to accuse them of something there is zero accusations or evidence for. Implication by proximity is a ridiculous angle to take.

Aug 17, 2021 3:26:48 GMT @admin said:

You bring that up far more often than is remotely warranted or necessary. Just because you don't like them as wrestlers or their public personas doesn't mean it's OK to accuse them of something there is zero accusations or evidence for. Implication by proximity is a ridiculous angle to take.

They knew.

Ryan Nemeth boycotted Bar Wrestling once he found out about Joey Ryan (this was pre-#speakingout) and stated Joey Ryan even had a "post-assault speech"

Shelly Martinez tweeted her dislike for Joey Ryan, and even noted that "His little buddies can kiss my butt, too. They knew and didn’t care.”

And Marty Scrull, when there's comments on forums from 2012, 2013 and later 2018 asking about 'the rumours' that Marty likes them young, and when it turns out to be true. It's either BritWres' best kept secret or part of the culture. Knowing what we know now, it was part of the culture. 


 

The thing is, AEW is made up of more members than the Bucks and Kenny. So for all the Joey Ryan, Marty Scurll, Chasyn Rance affiliations it doesn't matter because TK hasn't hired any of them. Caster crossed a line on TK's show and while I don't think it was the crime of the century, pulling him off a couple of shows is the smart move.

If it's legitimate than it's stupid because AEW is his best chance to success and they've been very generous with their push. I tend to think it's a non-event and Caster is just keeping his name out there and playing a character, just like Janela attending some right-wing meeting was a way to blur the lines.

Aug 17, 2021 1:43:38 GMT RT said:

Aug 16, 2021 23:32:57 GMT Lony said:

Not at all, but Max Caster the wrestler is a fictional character, no different than any other fictional character on TV, that occasionally say and do questionable things, you wouldn't however expect actors to take sensitivity training after playing a role.

As far as I'm concerned this is no different. Tony Khan got backlash and instead iof manning up, he decided to throw one of his employees under the bus and act like he had no idea.

Fictional character like MJF, who is arguably the best heel on the planet and doesn't have to make rape jokes and anti-vax comments to get over?

You're about to go out on the road in front of crowds at an incredibly important time in your new company's history during a pandemic, and you walk out on stage and joke about a famous rape case and call PCR tests fake. He should be thanking Tony Khan for not firing him on the spot and frankly I'm amazed that you're defending him.

And whether Khan knew or not doesn't matter. You think if I was on my job site laughing about rape and a customer complained to my boss that he would take the blame and not punish me? Are you serious?

Gotcha, so Khan draws the line at rape jokes, but has no problem bringing in a convicted rapist. I would assume he'd be more concerned with an actual rapist being on his show, instead of someone making jokes, but I guess not. Like I said, obviously Khan can do as he pleases, but from where I'm sitting it seems unjust when you don't have a problem paying Mike Tyson money to be on your shows.