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Post by KING KID on Nov 15, 2019 10:56:33 GMT
I say he gets a 10 game suspension (no playoffs) meaning he can’t come back until Week 4 of next season. So yeah I’m saying they suspend him for the rest of this season and he can return Week 4 of next.
It’ll be tough to do but let’s see how this plays out.
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Post by Blindy on Nov 15, 2019 11:03:18 GMT
Not sure why Kitchens is so shocked, he allows this punk to run rampant over this and doesn't hold accountability to this. Myles Suh is allowed free reign to do whatever he wants.
Myles Suh is just a selfish player, cares about the stats and would miss games in a do or die scenario each week for Cleveland because all of that losing early in his career tells him what losing players do. He's a loser who jumps for offsides to get the QB to Stat pad.
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Post by KING KID on Nov 15, 2019 15:42:16 GMT
Is anyone having a rougher season then Mason Rudolph though?
First he gets KOd with a helmet to helmet. Now this. Dude doesn’t even belong as a starter and is in the middle of so much crazy shit always. Bad Luck Mason.
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Post by KING KID on Nov 15, 2019 16:30:09 GMT
The Detroit Lions have announced that Matt Stafford is OUT for the game this weekend against Dallas.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Nov 15, 2019 17:41:15 GMT
It's an indefinite suspension for Myles Garrett, with the minimum being the rest of the season, including any potential playoff games. And Maurkice Pouncey is getting three games for his actions.
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Post by KING KID on Nov 15, 2019 18:12:14 GMT
Yeah and he has to file for reinstatement next season which is crazy.
What a fucking mess.
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Post by RagnarokMike on Nov 15, 2019 18:24:07 GMT
3 games is reasonable for Pouncey losing his shit at Punky Brownster's bitch ass.
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Post by UT on Nov 15, 2019 22:00:45 GMT
The more I think about it and go back and watch it , I’m not that mad at Garrett. The helmet swing was idiotic and dangerous and for that he’s going to get punished but ... Rudolph is playing victim and had more than his share in that starting and escalating to the point it did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 23:18:42 GMT
Yeah Rudolph is milking it in the press. Can't blame him I suppose, anything for people to forget for 2 minutes just how fucking terrible he is.
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Post by Blindy on Nov 16, 2019 0:56:52 GMT
The more I think about it and go back and watch it , I’m not that mad at Garrett. The helmet swing was idiotic and dangerous and for that he’s going to get punished but ... Rudolph is playing victim and had more than his share in that starting and escalating to the point it did. Look at it in Rudolph's shoes. He got cheapshotted by Earl Thomas in a rivalry game in his chance to finally play in The pros and then after the ball came put Garrett tried to do the same thing that ended Trevor Simieans season on national TV and Rudolph took exception to that. If Myles head coach isn't going to make him held accountable for his late roughness fouls then sadly the players have to. Rudolph was sticking up for himself because again he was put at the risk of a serious injury by complete negligence of an opposing player. Do I condone his action of ripping someone's facemask off? No it's crazy but I doubt he expects this guy to take his helmet and try and bash his head in with it either. How else is Rudolph going to stand up for himself to the opposition? Somehow driving a QB after the ball is away is understood by a majority of defenders in 2019 except for Garrett who thinks because he's the former no1 pick that he is above the rule and player safety.
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Post by @admin on Nov 16, 2019 2:06:19 GMT
I think it’s pretty ridiculous that Ogunjobi got a game and Rudolph only got a fine. Maybe the NFL thought it would be more of a punishment for the Steelers to have him continue to play?
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Post by thereallt on Nov 16, 2019 2:13:20 GMT
The more I think about it and go back and watch it , I’m not that mad at Garrett. The helmet swing was idiotic and dangerous and for that he’s going to get punished but ... Rudolph is playing victim and had more than his share in that starting and escalating to the point it did. My thoughts exactly. The fact Rudolph isn't getting punished at all is ridiculous. He instigated the whole damn thing.
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Post by thereallt on Nov 16, 2019 2:23:36 GMT
The more I think about it and go back and watch it , I’m not that mad at Garrett. The helmet swing was idiotic and dangerous and for that he’s going to get punished but ... Rudolph is playing victim and had more than his share in that starting and escalating to the point it did. Look at it in Rudolph's shoes. He got cheapshotted by Earl Thomas in a rivalry game in his chance to finally play in The pros and then after the ball came put Garrett tried to do the same thing that ended Trevor Simieans season on national TV and Rudolph took exception to that. If Myles head coach isn't going to make him held accountable for his late roughness fouls then sadly the players have to. Rudolph was sticking up for himself because again he was put at the risk of a serious injury by complete negligence of an opposing player. Do I condone his action of ripping someone's facemask off? No it's crazy but I doubt he expects this guy to take his helmet and try and bash his head in with it either. How else is Rudolph going to stand up for himself to the opposition? Somehow driving a QB after the ball is away is understood by a majority of defenders in 2019 except for Garrett who thinks because he's the former no1 pick that he is above the rule and player safety. He might not have expected that, but he had to expect some kind of reaction. Don't start shit and there won't be shit.
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Post by UT on Nov 16, 2019 2:57:41 GMT
Look at it in Rudolph's shoes. He got cheapshotted by Earl Thomas in a rivalry game in his chance to finally play in The pros and then after the ball came put Garrett tried to do the same thing that ended Trevor Simieans season on national TV and Rudolph took exception to that. If Myles head coach isn't going to make him held accountable for his late roughness fouls then sadly the players have to. Rudolph was sticking up for himself because again he was put at the risk of a serious injury by complete negligence of an opposing player. Do I condone his action of ripping someone's facemask off? No it's crazy but I doubt he expects this guy to take his helmet and try and bash his head in with it either. How else is Rudolph going to stand up for himself to the opposition? Somehow driving a QB after the ball is away is understood by a majority of defenders in 2019 except for Garrett who thinks because he's the former no1 pick that he is above the rule and player safety. He might not have expected that, but he had to expect some kind of reaction. Don't start shit and there won't be shit. Pretty much and then there is the fact that even after it seemingly stopped he continued to instigate with his helmet off , like It’s over ... go back to the huddle and shut up. Again swinging a helmet is stupid and inexcusable but Rudolph needs to also be held accountable for his part.
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Post by RagnarokMike on Nov 16, 2019 3:42:49 GMT
It was bad enough when Juju got suspended on a first offense, but to suspend Rudolph means you have to start suspending for every scuffle, that was the extent of what he did, and I wouldn't be surprised Ogunjobi got his overturned (like the other player who had as bad of a hit in the game Juju got suspended for). Garrett instigating and Rudolph escalating is shit you see all the time for no real attention, it was only all the shit he did after getting up that got Garrett suspended, most definitely the helmet attack, probably walks otherwise, maybe a fine each.
Rudolph was fined, going of every precedent out there, that's the extent of what he deserved...he WAS held accountable for HIS part.
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Post by thereallt on Nov 16, 2019 14:04:04 GMT
It was bad enough when Juju got suspended on a first offense, but to suspend Rudolph means you have to start suspending for every scuffle, that was the extent of what he did, and I wouldn't be surprised Ogunjobi got his overturned (like the other player who had as bad of a hit in the game Juju got suspended for). Rudolph instigating and Garrett escalating is shit you see all the time for no real attention, it was only all the shit he did after getting up that got Garrett suspended, most definitely the helmet attack, probably walks otherwise, maybe a fine each. Rudolph was fined, going of every precedent out there, that's the extent of what he deserved...he WAS held accountable for HIS part. Fixed it for you..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 14:47:27 GMT
Texans have picked up Hargreaves. If the Texans are planning to load the secondary and defensive line to stop Jackson, that is a risky plan. Texans lack the talent in the secondary to make that work and some of the their best players are linebackers. Will be interesting. Houston was the only team to put in a claim for Hargreaves and his numbers with TB are the numbers of a bust/fail so this was a risky and odd move. Why add lackluster pieces to your secondary just to add names? I still don't understand how this franchise let both The Honey Badger and Jadaveon Clowney to leave. It's a fucking shame how they'll waste this Deshaun Watson/Deandre Hopkins duo for their whole prime. They had the defense to win and all they had to do was pay the right people and get a fucking O-Line that would give Watson an opportunity to not get killed and they would be a legit threat. There's no excuse for having Watson, Hopkins, Watt, Mercilus, Badger, Clowney and not build the team the right way. I mean, look at Baltimore and Pittsburgh. When the fuck have they ever been so poorly set up as a team no matter what obstacles they faced. Only just seen this. Feels like an outdated take tbh. Clowney wanted Mack money. He's a very good player. Elite run stopping guy, versatile. He's inconsistent, gets too many flags, not a great pass rusher. Not in the same league as the top edge players in the league. I can see why they let him go. You can't overpay for anybody with Watson's contract coming up. The situation is also mitigated by the presence of Mercilus who is also a good player but had to play out of position as a cover LB last season (which he sucks at). Tyrann Mathieu is not near as good as people say he is. I don't watch the Chiefs religiously so Mike is the best guy to ask but I hear he is hardly knocking it out of the park there either. He's too much of a ball hawk and he gets burned. He is living off his reputation of a few years ago. Kareem Jackson is a bigger loss for the Texans. And what's this about the o-line? They've had about as big a turnaround as you could hope for in a single year. Traded for Tunsil who's been solid. Drafted Tytus Howard who's been fucking great, plus Max Scharping on the inside. They've made Carlos Hyde look like fucking Zeke Elliott at times, and the Texans are 4th in total offense. They are an average pass protection line, which is lightyears ahead of just last year. Bill O'Brien may be a miserable prick and a mediocre head coach in some aspects, but he has done a nice job as the GM. I don't see how anyone could argue that.
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Post by Blindy on Nov 16, 2019 18:15:57 GMT
I think it’s pretty ridiculous that Ogunjobi got a game and Rudolph only got a fine. Maybe the NFL thought it would be more of a punishment for the Steelers to have him continue to play? He deserves it for cowardly pushing someone with their back turned. Pathetic. He has the size on Rudolph be a man and get in his face.
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Post by Blindy on Nov 16, 2019 18:21:15 GMT
Look at it in Rudolph's shoes. He got cheapshotted by Earl Thomas in a rivalry game in his chance to finally play in The pros and then after the ball came put Garrett tried to do the same thing that ended Trevor Simieans season on national TV and Rudolph took exception to that. If Myles head coach isn't going to make him held accountable for his late roughness fouls then sadly the players have to. Rudolph was sticking up for himself because again he was put at the risk of a serious injury by complete negligence of an opposing player. Do I condone his action of ripping someone's facemask off? No it's crazy but I doubt he expects this guy to take his helmet and try and bash his head in with it either. How else is Rudolph going to stand up for himself to the opposition? Somehow driving a QB after the ball is away is understood by a majority of defenders in 2019 except for Garrett who thinks because he's the former no1 pick that he is above the rule and player safety. He might not have expected that, but he had to expect some kind of reaction. Don't start shit and there won't be shit. That's the equivalent of cutting someone off on the road only to be welcomed with a gunshot through your window grazing you through someone else's road rage. If the league or Kitchens isnt going to stop this garbage from happening then the player has to take it in their own hand. Garrett didn't get ejected for twice crushing a QB and offered a half ass apology for nearly snapping a QB ankle after the ball was thrown away and wasn't ejected for slapping the helmet of Delanie Walker the week prior, it encourages this type of dirty play so when Garrett goes to a late hit after the ball is thrown out, Rudolph tried to tell the guy who dwarfs him in size to knock it off because no one else holds him accountable. Doesn't warrant smashing someone with a weapon. Myles Suhs record in the pros says all you need to know. He's a career loser who will chance jumping offsides to get a shot in on the QB to show how badass he is. Last year he felt Gregg Williams held him back, now what's the excuse for him? Williams isn't there to plead bounty. Wonder what Beckhams thoughts were on his teammate crushing a first year starters skull in after accusing Williams of trying to injure him. Quiet huh.
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Post by KING KID on Nov 16, 2019 18:21:36 GMT
The Texans O-Line is still not good. Just because it was horrendous doesn’t mean it’s good because it improved. It’s still awful. Carlos Hyde has rushed for 100+ yards in 2 of 9 games. Watson is making more incredible plays which might make it look better for the O-Line but it’s still because Watson’s incredible. It’s improved but it’s still one of the weakest parts of their team.
The Honey Badger is still better then what Houston is putting on the field but touche on Clowney.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 18:42:10 GMT
The Texans O-Line is still not good. Just because it was horrendous doesn’t mean it’s good because it improved. It’s still awful. Carlos Hyde has rushed for 100+ yards in 2 of 9 games. Watson is making more incredible plays which might make it look better for the O-Line but it’s still because Watson’s incredible. It’s improved but it’s still one of the weakest parts of their team. The Honey Badger is still better then what Houston is putting on the field but touche on Clowney. Texans are 4th in rushing offense with two cast-offs at running back , give them some credit. O-line isn't perfect, but O'Brien traded for the best available young LT and drafted a stud rookie tackle in Howard. They've addressed it, what more could they do? What would you have done? The Texans are not that bad at safety. Their issue is at corner. As I said, Jackson leaving was a mistake. Mathieu is an overrated ball hawk that cuts his routes and gets burned. He doesn't fix one problem the Texans have.
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Post by KING KID on Nov 16, 2019 20:31:22 GMT
I'll give Carlos Hyde credit for having a career saving season averaging 4.7 yards a carry but the 4th in rushing offense has a lot to do with Deshaun Watson and his 289 rushing yards so far. If they didn't have Deshaun Watson or a mobile QB, that number drops. It's inflated due to Watson and that's not because the O-Line is opening up lanes for him. A lot of is done by him being able to escape and evade tacklers. Yes, the O-Line has improved, but it's still not what you tried to make it out to be.
And talk all proud of O'Brien making trades for the best available young LT, but ignore the fact that he has traded away a lot of the future for it. So good luck fixing that secondary issue and getting more help on the O-Line through youth. You better hope they can have enough money to fix the team with as you stated, the Watson contract coming up. You're certainly not going to be able to do it through the early rounds of the draft and you're certainly not going to have the money available to do it.
And it's not about what I would have done. They just failed in building an O-Line through drafts and in 2 seasons they will pay for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 20:49:59 GMT
All he would have done with those first round picks is try to draft a left tackle anyway. What are the actual chances one of them would be better than Tunsil?
A few stats since it seems you haven't watched the Texans run the ball at all this season. From Football Outsiders, the Texans offensive line is:
- 76% efficient on 3rd/4th down and short (2nd in the league) - Stuffed just 17% of the time (8th in the league) - 3rd in the league in 2nd level yards (a huge indicator of run blocking success since holes need to open for this to happen) - 6th in the field in open field yards, so they open big holes as well
You need to watch a team to get an idea of the offensive line. All you're doing here is dragging out a lazy trope from last season that is no longer accurate. A shame, because your point about the secondary being a hot mess and difficult to fix is bang on the money.
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Post by UT on Nov 16, 2019 21:36:52 GMT
I don’t know that either are truly wrong.. BOB did what he had to do to try and win now but now he has to win , anything short of going all the way is a failure IMO , it has to be when you completely mortgage the future for the present.
Plus if it doesn’t work you’re continuing to put your franchise QB at a disadvantage by giving away picks that could build around what’s going to be a massive contract. You need those picks and cheap contracts to fill out a roster.
It’s a double edged sword but I don’t ever like throwing away the next two years or roster building in favor of trying to make the ultimate leap because if injuries or bad luck come into play then it was ultimately for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 21:46:45 GMT
I don’t know that either are truly wrong.. BOB did what he had to do to try and win now but now he has to win , anything short of going all the way is a failure IMO , it has to be when you completely mortgage the future for the present. Plus if it doesn’t work you’re continuing to put your franchise QB at a disadvantage by giving away picks that could build around what’s going to be a massive contract. You need those picks and cheap contracts to fill out a roster. It’s a double edged sword but I don’t ever like throwing away the next two years or roster building in favor of trying to make the ultimate leap because if injuries or bad luck come into play then it was ultimately for nothing. I understand that part of it, and certainly you make a good point regarding cheap contracts. I don't think anyone will deny the Texans made a mess of the o-line initially, but in terms of what has happened this off-season, I'm happy with it. I don't fully agree that it's all-or nothing this season. Tunsil is not a one season thing, he's here to protect Watson for the duration of his prime. As I said, all we would have done is throw 1st rounders at getting a LT with no guarantee of success. Now the player is in place, they drafted a good tackle this year, and it's a decent, young o-line. I am concerned about the secondary and your point is certainly valid as relates to that. We probably need to go pay somebody in the off season and that's not ideal with Watson's contract upcoming.
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Post by RagnarokMike on Nov 16, 2019 23:37:48 GMT
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Post by KING KID on Nov 16, 2019 23:45:42 GMT
BREAKING NEWS
Tank for Tua?
Not so fast.
He is out for the season in Alabama with a dislocated hip. Terrible timing. I hope he fights through this, but boy did he just lose a lot of NFL money. This brings up the collegiate pay argument again and it's sad all around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 0:21:16 GMT
Why Tank for Tua when you can Blow It for Burrow?
Sucks what happened to Tua. I may dislike Alabama but Tua is a great kid and great player. I hope he able to recover and have a long successful career in the NFL.
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Post by mikec on Nov 17, 2019 2:43:45 GMT
Everything about this Kaepernick fiasco today will confirm whatever you thought before. As a Kaepernick supporter, I think the league was obviously setting him up for something and refusing to let the media in was outrageous while those who don’t like Kaepernick will say he was just being difficult and showed how he’s more trouble than he’s worth today.
I’m glad the Chiefs stuck around though. We don’t need Kaepernick, but he’d be an interesting fit at backup.
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Post by KING KID on Nov 17, 2019 2:53:46 GMT
Complete fiasco and nonsense.
Him being an arrogant prick before and after shows the character too. He doesn’t belong in the NFL. His throws were not great and that’s without defenders. He’s a PR stunt if signed.
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