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Post by iNCY on Aug 18, 2021 21:22:22 GMT
It's still stupid messaging on the USA The unvaccinated people who refuse to wear masks are the ones the mask mandate protects.
We need a kid friendly vaccine
We also need a shift from the discussion of masks to vaccines. Governments all over the West are doing an atrocious job of this messaging. Vaccination rates in the USA have died in the ass
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Post by c on Aug 18, 2021 21:29:50 GMT
Or maybe the rest of the socialist world hates our freedom~!!!
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Post by iNCY on Aug 18, 2021 21:34:58 GMT
Or maybe the rest of the socialist world hates our freedom~!!! I'm jealous of US freedoms with Covid, we just passed our 200th day in hard lockdown since the beginning of the pandemic
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Post by nath45 on Aug 19, 2021 1:18:51 GMT
Reports making the rounds today, circulated by Liberal MPs. " The Andrews Labor Government is deliberately hiding vital reports on mental health that reveal soaring numbers of teenagers are self-harming, battling suicidal thoughts and suffering eating disorders. The reports show soaring numbers on pre-pandemic figures. " www.guiltylabor.com.au/ ( set up by the Libs )
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 1:20:25 GMT
Too funny, Fox News just demanded everyone report their vaccination status as they will soon start firing employees who refuse vaccination. This comes as their "reporters" go on TV and rally against vaccination mandates.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 19, 2021 2:47:22 GMT
Reports making the rounds today, circulated by Liberal MPs. " The Andrews Labor Government is deliberately hiding vital reports on mental health that reveal soaring numbers of teenagers are self-harming, battling suicidal thoughts and suffering eating disorders. The reports show soaring numbers on pre-pandemic figures. " www.guiltylabor.com.au/ ( set up by the Libs ) This is pretty bad, I don't support the politicising of the issue, but when you make public health bureaucrats responsible for one metric... This is what happens. Everything goes onto the altar of zero covid. Why are we doing this? Nobody can explain it to me.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 2:54:39 GMT
The mental health shit is not caused by lockdowns, but by the virus itself. Feelings of powerlessness are seeing an increase in both disorders of control and disorders of hopelessness. Both of these were expected increases to a long term pandemic.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 4:41:12 GMT
More Fox hypocrisy coming out. While saying people do not mask if vaccinated, across from the Fox news hosts everyone is required to be in masks and vaccinated, and no one is allowed near the talent unless they are in a mask and vaccinated. The freedom they demand people fight for, they do not allow their own staff to have.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 19, 2021 4:46:35 GMT
The mental health shit is not caused by lockdowns, but by the virus itself. Feelings of powerlessness are seeing an increase in both disorders of control and disorders of hopelessness. Both of these were expected increases to a long term pandemic. That's not the case here, it is being driven by isolation and stress
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Post by nath45 on Aug 19, 2021 5:17:52 GMT
The mental health shit is not caused by lockdowns, but by the virus itself. Feelings of powerlessness are seeing an increase in both disorders of control and disorders of hopelessness. Both of these were expected increases to a long term pandemic. That's not the case here, it is being driven by isolation and stress 100% There's communities currently in lockdown in Australia with no reported cases, hundreds of kilometres away from the next reported cases. You still can't do anything, you can't visit friends or family even in regional areas - again hundreds of kilometres from these hot zones. My LGA hasn't recorded a case for 11 months. Yet, our Premier will lockdown an entire state the size of England, closing all businesses and schools at a moments notice. The last lockdown, we were given less than 4hrs notice, at the same time implementing a 9pm curfew on the second biggest city in the country. These lockdowns are hurting people, killing business and destroying lives. CBDs are becoming ghosttowns with businesses having to shut shop because they can't continue to operate without foot traffic. 2 full years of education has been impacted with stopping and starting and continual disruption. The travel and tourism industry has been destroyed. And sure, c will probably tell us that travel is a privilege. But think about how many people in tourism, hotel and hospitality are out of jobs. Then the flow on effect of those people now with limited or zero incomes unable to contribute to the local economy. Yes, it's a rant and it doesn't have a slick conclusion.. but that's the reality. But who cares, fuck capitalism right.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 13:16:24 GMT
So kids in Australia are exhibiting disorders of control and hopelessness because of the declining hospitality and tourism industries? Has Australia considered, I don't know, that maybe making these teens who are showing signs of mental illness wait 4 months for an assessment then three more months for treatment is not a good idea?
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Post by iNCY on Aug 19, 2021 13:44:50 GMT
So kids in Australia are exhibiting disorders of control and hopelessness because of the declining hospitality and tourism industries? Has Australia considered, I don't know, that maybe making these teens who are showing signs of mental illness wait 4 months for an assessment then three more months for treatment is not a good idea? I don't know what point you were trying to make here, but our mental health system is overloaded and we have no crisis beds because of the lockdown driven rise in self harm. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about but by all means continue your snide diatribe
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Post by System on Aug 19, 2021 14:36:01 GMT
Police Commissioner says officers wrongly issuing tickets won’t be held to account NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller has told his officers he won’t hold them to account for wrongly issuing COVID-19 fines in a call to prioritise health order enforcement outside emergency duties. In a recent video to the force, Mr Fuller urged members to put community policing aside during its blitz on lockdown breaches, issuing a challenge to them over the course of Operation Stay at Home to “go high-level enforcement”. “I have said before, if you write a ticket and you get it wrong, I understand, and I won’t hold you to account for that. We have to shape the behaviour of people to get out of lockdown, and I know all of us want to be out of lockdown by Christmas, so please take the challenge.” www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/police-commissioner-says-officers-wrongly-issuing-tickets-won-t-be-held-to-account-20210819-p58k76.html
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 16:43:03 GMT
So kids in Australia are exhibiting disorders of control and hopelessness because of the declining hospitality and tourism industries? Has Australia considered, I don't know, that maybe making these teens who are showing signs of mental illness wait 4 months for an assessment then three more months for treatment is not a good idea? I don't know what point you were trying to make here, but our mental health system is overloaded and we have no crisis beds because of the lockdown driven rise in self harm. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about but by all means continue your snide diatribe I am saying it is bullshit to blame the economic damages from the lockdowns for rising levels of certain classes of mental illness in teens. Suicide rates are flat and have been throughout the pandemic in every country with gun control so despite the self-harm the kids do not need crisis beds. They do need treatment though, which they are not getting. Not having treatment has nothing to do with the lockdowns since you can do all of that remote. Resources for acute care and long term care are radically different as well. Acute care is stabilize an active crisis. It will do nothing for the disorders that cause self-harm, eating disorders, OCD, panic disorders or severe depression. It solely is to stabilize the crisis enough to send the kids elsewhere. If you want the causes listen to what the kids are actually saying, do not make assumptions. Terror news is really getting to them, and they are terrified both of the virus and the rage that some people are having because of it. They do not really care about lockdowns as kids are used to being told what to do all the time. They want to know there is a plan to deal with the virus and all they see are fights making it clear there is no long term of dealing with things and no end in sight for this. Many are lonely, but most see the lockdowns as a thing that is needed after seeing what is happening in other countries that they fear will happen in Aussieland in the future.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 20:53:42 GMT
3 more members of US Senate with breakthrough infections of COVID today.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 19, 2021 22:29:37 GMT
So kids in Australia are exhibiting disorders of control and hopelessness because of the declining hospitality and tourism industries? Has Australia considered, I don't know, that maybe making these teens who are showing signs of mental illness wait 4 months for an assessment then three more months for treatment is not a good idea? How detached from reality are you?
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Post by iNCY on Aug 19, 2021 22:39:07 GMT
I don't know what point you were trying to make here, but our mental health system is overloaded and we have no crisis beds because of the lockdown driven rise in self harm. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about but by all means continue your snide diatribe I am saying it is bullshit to blame the economic damages from the lockdowns for rising levels of certain classes of mental illness in teens. Suicide rates are flat and have been throughout the pandemic in every country with gun control so despite the self-harm the kids do not need crisis beds. They do need treatment though, which they are not getting. Not having treatment has nothing to do with the lockdowns since you can do all of that remote. Resources for acute care and long term care are radically different as well. Acute care is stabilize an active crisis. It will do nothing for the disorders that cause self-harm, eating disorders, OCD, panic disorders or severe depression. It solely is to stabilize the crisis enough to send the kids elsewhere. If you want the causes listen to what the kids are actually saying, do not make assumptions. Terror news is really getting to them, and they are terrified both of the virus and the rage that some people are having because of it. They do not really care about lockdowns as kids are used to being told what to do all the time. They want to know there is a plan to deal with the virus and all they see are fights making it clear there is no long term of dealing with things and no end in sight for this. Many are lonely, but most see the lockdowns as a thing that is needed after seeing what is happening in other countries that they fear will happen in Aussieland in the future. Who said it was economic? These young people are isolated and anxious, some are doing year 12 which is our final year of school before college, their grades define their future and since the start of the pandemic they have missed 160 days of school. There is a wave of self harming young women in a scale we have never seen before. But let's not let that get in the way of your pro communist rhetoric.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 19, 2021 22:43:16 GMT
I don't know what point you were trying to make here, but our mental health system is overloaded and we have no crisis beds because of the lockdown driven rise in self harm. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about but by all means continue your snide diatribe I am saying it is bullshit to blame the economic damages from the lockdowns for rising levels of certain classes of mental illness in teens. Suicide rates are flat and have been throughout the pandemic in every country with gun control so despite the self-harm the kids do not need crisis beds. They do need treatment though, which they are not getting. Not having treatment has nothing to do with the lockdowns since you can do all of that remote. Resources for acute care and long term care are radically different as well. Acute care is stabilize an active crisis. It will do nothing for the disorders that cause self-harm, eating disorders, OCD, panic disorders or severe depression. It solely is to stabilize the crisis enough to send the kids elsewhere. If you want the causes listen to what the kids are actually saying, do not make assumptions. Terror news is really getting to them, and they are terrified both of the virus and the rage that some people are having because of it. They do not really care about lockdowns as kids are used to being told what to do all the time. They want to know there is a plan to deal with the virus and all they see are fights making it clear there is no long term of dealing with things and no end in sight for this. Many are lonely, but most see the lockdowns as a thing that is needed after seeing what is happening in other countries that they fear will happen in Aussieland in the future. You've spoken to Australian teenagers? They're worried about terrorism? They don't care about lockdowns? You are absolutely detached from reality. You sir could make a great Labor Party Minister. I know teenagers, I have nieces and nephews, my business employs teenagers and university students, my neighbour's children are teenagers and trust me Mr.Fantasy, they do care about being in lockdown. Very much so. You may enjoy sitting in a dark basement, but don't confuse your feelings about lockdowns as that of the broader population, especially one on the other side of the world.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 22:43:48 GMT
Feel free to enlighten then on how lockdowns lead to eating disorders, non-suicidal self harm and OCD?
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 22:50:06 GMT
I am saying it is bullshit to blame the economic damages from the lockdowns for rising levels of certain classes of mental illness in teens. Suicide rates are flat and have been throughout the pandemic in every country with gun control so despite the self-harm the kids do not need crisis beds. They do need treatment though, which they are not getting. Not having treatment has nothing to do with the lockdowns since you can do all of that remote. Resources for acute care and long term care are radically different as well. Acute care is stabilize an active crisis. It will do nothing for the disorders that cause self-harm, eating disorders, OCD, panic disorders or severe depression. It solely is to stabilize the crisis enough to send the kids elsewhere. If you want the causes listen to what the kids are actually saying, do not make assumptions. Terror news is really getting to them, and they are terrified both of the virus and the rage that some people are having because of it. They do not really care about lockdowns as kids are used to being told what to do all the time. They want to know there is a plan to deal with the virus and all they see are fights making it clear there is no long term of dealing with things and no end in sight for this. Many are lonely, but most see the lockdowns as a thing that is needed after seeing what is happening in other countries that they fear will happen in Aussieland in the future. You've spoken to Australian teenagers? They're worried about terrorism? They don't care about lockdowns? You are absolutely detached from reality. You sir could make a great Labor Party Minister. I know teenagers, I have nieces and nephews, my business employs teenagers and university students, my neighbour's children are teenagers and trust me Mr.Fantasy, they do care about being in lockdown. Very much so. You may enjoy sitting in a dark basement, but don't confuse your feelings about lockdowns as that of the broader population, especially one on the other side of the world. No, I read the research on this topic coming from the University of Sydney who is one of the leading places on pandemic related mental health issues in teens. I also am studying the DSM, and know the issues that are increasing in Australia are disorders of control, which are not impacted by loneliness. I also the increase in problems in Australia was first reported in 2018, and was related to the long time to first assessment and the delay between first assessment and start of treatment. But hey, maybe this is another where every expert and person in the field is wrong and only people without knowledge of mental illness know what is REALLY going on.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 19, 2021 23:05:25 GMT
You've spoken to Australian teenagers? They're worried about terrorism? They don't care about lockdowns? You are absolutely detached from reality. You sir could make a great Labor Party Minister. I know teenagers, I have nieces and nephews, my business employs teenagers and university students, my neighbour's children are teenagers and trust me Mr.Fantasy, they do care about being in lockdown. Very much so. You may enjoy sitting in a dark basement, but don't confuse your feelings about lockdowns as that of the broader population, especially one on the other side of the world. No, I read the research on this topic coming from the University of Sydney who is one of the leading places on pandemic related mental health issues in teens. I also am studying the DSM, and know the issues that are increasing in Australia are disorders of control, which are not impacted by loneliness. I also the increase in problems in Australia was first reported in 2018, and was related to the long time to first assessment and the delay between first assessment and start of treatment. But hey, maybe this is another where every expert and person in the field is wrong and only people without knowledge of mental illness know what is REALLY going on. Can you share the Wikipedia page you've based your entire snapshot of 'COVID-19 and it's impact on Australian teens' on? Excuse me, I need to console my neighbour's teenagers.. they're worried about the 'Terror News' I mean, these poor Anglo-Saxon children in middle-class, suburban Australia are disturbed by the events in Afghanistan, so much so they've forgotten they can't see their friends or family. I mean that's what the facts are saying.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 23:07:05 GMT
I am saying it is bullshit to blame the economic damages from the lockdowns for rising levels of certain classes of mental illness in teens. Suicide rates are flat and have been throughout the pandemic in every country with gun control so despite the self-harm the kids do not need crisis beds. They do need treatment though, which they are not getting. Not having treatment has nothing to do with the lockdowns since you can do all of that remote. Resources for acute care and long term care are radically different as well. Acute care is stabilize an active crisis. It will do nothing for the disorders that cause self-harm, eating disorders, OCD, panic disorders or severe depression. It solely is to stabilize the crisis enough to send the kids elsewhere. If you want the causes listen to what the kids are actually saying, do not make assumptions. Terror news is really getting to them, and they are terrified both of the virus and the rage that some people are having because of it. They do not really care about lockdowns as kids are used to being told what to do all the time. They want to know there is a plan to deal with the virus and all they see are fights making it clear there is no long term of dealing with things and no end in sight for this. Many are lonely, but most see the lockdowns as a thing that is needed after seeing what is happening in other countries that they fear will happen in Aussieland in the future. Who said it was economic? These young people are isolated and anxious, some are doing year 12 which is our final year of school before college, their grades define their future and since the start of the pandemic they have missed 160 days of school. There is a wave of self harming young women in a scale we have never seen before. But let's not let that get in the way of your pro communist rhetoric. The wave of self-harm there started to be noticed in 2018. Predates the pandemic entirely, which makes me think it is not influenced by lockdowns. Colleges admission next year will be like this year and focus not on grades but personality traits. Particularly looking for people who show that can be hard working, innovative and show they have some use for the knowledge they will gain. Essentially kids who want to move into real jobs have a massive advantage over kids rooted in traditional knowledge and test scores. Isn't this exactly the type of change that you wanted in the past? The kid who gets C's but wants to learn some business skills to start his own business will be more likely to get in than a girl who gets A's and wants to study biology because she likes animals for the first time in recent history. Frankly I do not care if you stay locked down or open, but mental health crises are rising in every country. It is insane to think ending the lockdown will magically make things better, when that was not the case in any other country, or that lifting the lockdowns will negate the fear or perceived lack of control teens face related to the virus.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 23:08:42 GMT
No, I read the research on this topic coming from the University of Sydney who is one of the leading places on pandemic related mental health issues in teens. I also am studying the DSM, and know the issues that are increasing in Australia are disorders of control, which are not impacted by loneliness. I also the increase in problems in Australia was first reported in 2018, and was related to the long time to first assessment and the delay between first assessment and start of treatment. But hey, maybe this is another where every expert and person in the field is wrong and only people without knowledge of mental illness know what is REALLY going on. Can you share the Wikipedia page you've based your entire snapshot of 'COVID-19 and it's impact on Australian teens' on? Excuse me, I need to console my neighbour's teenagers.. they're worried about the 'Terror News' I mean, these poor Anglo-Saxon children in middle-class, suburban Australia are disturbed by the events in Afghanistan, so much so they've forgotten they can't see their friends or family. I mean that's what the facts are saying. Have fun: www.sydney.edu.au/matilda-centre/I suggest emailing them to let you them know that you solved the problems they are looking into, sure they will be grateful for the help.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 19, 2021 23:19:30 GMT
" Although a rise in symptoms of anxiety in response to stress is expected during the extreme events of a global pandemic, there is a risk this will result in a rising prevalence of anxiety, depression, alcohol and substance misuse and harmful behaviours(such a ssuicide and self-harm). Economic downturn is a likely outcome of the pandemic. Such a downturn is likely to have profound effects on the mental health of the population.
Isolation and physical distancing measures increase risk factors for poor mental health including alcohol and substance misuse, domestic violence and child abuse, social disconnection,financial stress,loss,physical inactivity, unemployment, homelessness, and relationship breakdown. "
I had fun, this is from their fact sheet. And it echoes every point made here and elsewhere by those concerned about the mental health crisis during and in the wake of isolation and lockdowns.
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Post by c on Aug 19, 2021 23:59:21 GMT
Should reread that. That blames the pandemic not the lockdowns. The lockdowns increase certain risk factors, but the root cause remains the pandemic, not the lockdowns. As has been seen several times when you lift the lockdowns, the problems persists.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 20, 2021 0:19:31 GMT
Should reread that. That blames the pandemic not the lockdowns. The lockdowns increase certain risk factors, but the root cause remains the pandemic, not the lockdowns. As has been seen several times when you lift the lockdowns, the problems persists. What a load of absolute crap. If there wasn't a lockdown then young people would be relatively unaffected. Your notion that you understand the mental effects of 200 days of lockdown is laughable. Not all of Australia is locked down and the rates of self harm and suicide are directly correlated to whether they are locked down.
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Post by c on Aug 20, 2021 0:38:38 GMT
If this is the case then show the studies. See a lot of people claiming this, but very few studies that actually agree with it. I see dropping suicide rates in Australia, and a believe these are lockdown related, but very little data showing these events actually occured in regions and times that a lockdown actually occurred and nothing claiming it was the lockdown itself that caused these actions and not the overall pandemic.
Onus is on you all to prove that Australia is the exception to what is seen in the rest of the world and should be excluded from many lab studies on this stuff. Most reports say these behaviors decrease during a lockdown, like suicide rates do.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 20, 2021 1:05:24 GMT
If this is the case then show the studies. See a lot of people claiming this, but very few studies that actually agree with it. I see dropping suicide rates in Australia, and a believe these are lockdown related, but very little data showing these events actually occured in regions and times that a lockdown actually occurred and nothing claiming it was the lockdown itself that caused these actions and not the overall pandemic. Onus is on you all to prove that Australia is the exception to what is seen in the rest of the world and should be excluded from many lab studies on this stuff. Most reports say these behaviors decrease during a lockdown, like suicide rates do. www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/editorials/treating-the-shadow-pandemic/news-story/ee879376934a4eebcaea8d9e3ad8df39I am not interested in proving myself correct, I am concerned at the shadow epidemic described in the article. Before you shoot off with a range of incoherent thoughts about what the article does and doesn't suggest, perhaps Google Patrick McGorry the specialist named, he is no puppet of the right. We will have a peer-reviewed studies with neat footnotes, but by the time we do... How much damage will be done? Ona n unrelated note, the revised Pfizer and AZ efficacy document on Delta has been released, it is all good news. www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/british-study-shows-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-wanes-under-delta-2021-08-18/Again, the headline is scare-mongering crap, but the news is very encouraging.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 20, 2021 1:59:19 GMT
The Prime Minster of Australia is on TV right now, discussing the mental health impacts of lockdowns, due to isolation and lack of social connection. c, can you ring the Prime Minister of Australia and tell him that he's wrong. And a lot of the messaging on morning television today has been in regards to the services available to combat mental health. Directly in regards to the lockdowns. So, I guess the Television Networks are wrong too.
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Post by c on Aug 20, 2021 3:24:34 GMT
The confidential report and speculation around it regards an increase in mental health problems from before the COVID pandemic, not before and after the lockdowns, and is related to the pandemic not the lockdowns. Nor does McGorry say the lockdowns are the reason for the crisis. He feels that in light of the lockdowns, Victoria should offer remote therapy as a support and release the mental health data to researchers, something they are not doing. He does not advocate ending the lockdowns in anyway, nor do any of these psychologists. The dangers of the lockdowns is strictly editorialized and not what the doctors are saying at all. Their focus is solely on seeing the mental health aspects of the pandemic be treated with the same seriousness of the physical aspects and see mental health treatment accessibility be increased.
McGorry also has gone on record saying:
"We can't keep going through these lockdowns. I think people are totally over it. The other scenario of having rampant COVID would harm mental health even more seriously. So it's like the least worst choice."
The second sentence is often left out when he is quoted.
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