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Post by iNCY on Aug 20, 2021 4:01:48 GMT
The confidential report and speculation around it regards an increase in mental health problems from before the COVID pandemic, not before and after the lockdowns, and is related to the pandemic not the lockdowns. Nor does McGorry say the lockdowns are the reason for the crisis. He feels that in light of the lockdowns, Victoria should offer remote therapy as a support and release the mental health data to researchers, something they are not doing. He does not advocate ending the lockdowns in anyway, nor do any of these psychologists. The dangers of the lockdowns is strictly editorialized and not what the doctors are saying at all. Their focus is solely on seeing the mental health aspects of the pandemic be treated with the same seriousness of the physical aspects and see mental health treatment accessibility be increased. McGorry also has gone on record saying: "We can't keep going through these lockdowns. I think people are totally over it. The other scenario of having rampant COVID would harm mental health even more seriously. So it's like the least worst choice." The second sentence is often left out when he is quoted. Nobody is ignoring that aspect of what he said, you are the one cherry-picking the data that suits your red tinted glasses. The affect of the pandemic is lockdowns for people in Melbourne and Sydney, that is the effect that it is having... If you8 won't acknowledge that it is pure stubbornness on your behalf.
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Post by @admin on Aug 20, 2021 4:44:07 GMT
Obviously people are doing it tough, and C is probably reaching too much into a distinction between pandemic and lockdown - but it is very disingenuous for conservatives to suddenly start sprouting off when they haven't given a fuck about mental health before - actively discriminating against some of the most affected groups when it comes to mental health like the LGBTIQ community and indigenous Australians. It is an absolute disgrace that Liberal politicians and their media arm are using mental health as a political tool. It's an insult to anyone and their loved ones who struggle with mental health, or have been lost to suicide. The supposed report that the Victorian Government are "keeping hidden from everyone" that Nath kicked this discussion off with is published by a Federal Government body regularly and is always made available to the public.
Saving lives with the Covid strategy Australia has chosen clearly outweighs any increased damage to mental health because of lockdown - the government estimates that we've saved over 30,000 lives which is something like eight times more than the suicide count. And that's without factoring in the impact that those prevented deaths would have had on those they would have left behind - in America 120,000 kids have lost a primary caregiver because of the virus.
Of course we could be much closer ending to our lockdowns if our vaccine rollout had been faster.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 20, 2021 4:53:23 GMT
Obviously people are doing it tough, and C is probably reaching too much into a distinction between pandemic and lockdown - but it is very disingenuous for conservatives to suddenly start sprouting off when they haven't given a fuck about mental health before - actively discriminating against some of the most effected groups in our society like the LGBTIQ community, indigenous Australians, etc. It is an absolute disgrace that Liberal politicians and their media arm are using mental health as a political tool. The supposed report that the Victorian Government are "keeping hidden from everyone" that Nath kicked this discussion off with is published by a Federal Government body regularly and is always made available to the public. It's an insult to anyone who and their loved ones who struggle with mental health, or have been lost to suicide. Saving lives with the Covid strategy Australia has chosen clearly outweighs any increased damage to mental health because of lockdown - the government estimates that we've saved over 30,000 lives which is something like eight times more than the suicide count. And that's without factoring in the impact that those prevented deaths would have had on those they would have left behind - in America 120,000 kids have lost a primary caregiver because of the virus. Of course we could be much closer ending to our lockdowns if our vaccine rollout had been faster. Great, if that was actually, the case... Which it isn't. The average age from people dying from Covid-19 in Australia is 84. There is no justifiable reason why we don't have near to 100% vaccination rates in people over the age of 75. We aren't even close to that because dumb people don't want to get vaccinated. I also saw a report that something like only 40% of aged care health care workers are vaccinated. If we had that vaccination rate now in the vulnerable... Then the death rate from Covid in Australia would track somewhere around 0.03% and the only old people who die of Covid once vaccinated would have died anyway. Let's not forget that before we all discovered Covid-19 thousands of Australians died every year from the flu.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 21, 2021 0:57:04 GMT
130 minutes notice, and all of regional Victoria goes into lockdown as of 1pm today inline with Metropolitan Melbourne.
However no curfew.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 21, 2021 2:26:58 GMT
130 minutes notice, and all of regional Victoria goes into lockdown as of 1pm today inline with Metropolitan Melbourne. However no curfew. I'm sorry mate. My youngest also got her kindergarten closed again which is a really big issue in the year before they start school.
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Post by System on Aug 21, 2021 3:24:38 GMT
How long before The Purge?
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2021 3:31:36 GMT
Mississippi warning people not to take horse dewormer to treat covid after poisoning cases spiked from people doing just that.
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Post by nath45 on Aug 21, 2021 4:13:26 GMT
130 minutes notice, and all of regional Victoria goes into lockdown as of 1pm today inline with Metropolitan Melbourne. However no curfew. I'm sorry mate. My youngest also got her kindergarten closed again which is a really big issue in the year before they start school. We had planned our son's second birthday party for today, at 1pm we went into lockdown. I'm glad he's not old enough to understand or care, but I certainly had a full range of emotion. We needed this.
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Post by nazzer on Aug 21, 2021 6:10:23 GMT
In Canada lots of companies are mandating their employees be vaccinated to come to work.
Is this legal?
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2021 7:02:00 GMT
Vaccine mandates have been in place legally for most of the world since the Smallpox epidemic.
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Post by KITN on Aug 21, 2021 9:26:48 GMT
People who said they weren't going to be "sheep" and take the vaccine are literally in the hospital because they've been eating deworming medication for horses and cows to fight COVID.
YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS>
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2021 16:33:35 GMT
Florida and other southern states setting new high scores for weekly COVID deaths. With hospitals now full, the deaths will start to ramp up as well.
Things so bad in Florida people are urged to reduce water usage due to the increased demand for water to make liquid oxygen.
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Post by RT on Aug 21, 2021 17:38:29 GMT
In Canada lots of companies are mandating their employees be vaccinated to come to work. Is this legal? Absolutely. Our company hasn't made a mandate yet, but it's coming. Nearly every new contract coming through states that the technicians attending site must be vaccinated against COVID-19. The company is giving anyone that gets vaccinated a bonus but that's only available until December and after that I guess we'll see.
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Post by Ness on Aug 21, 2021 18:43:29 GMT
That's the big one. Once jobs mandate it I'm not sure much those on the fence gonna do.
Gotta eat and corona chan ain't gonna feed us.
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Post by KITN on Aug 21, 2021 18:57:58 GMT
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2021 18:59:34 GMT
Looks like Fox is going to have prep a no reasonable person defense again, as after the spike in poisonings from horse dewormer people are collecting the footage of Fox promoting it. This was the story that started things and resulted in stores putting up signs near the horse medication that it is not for human use. www.foxnews.com/media/biologist-tucker-ivermectin-effective-covid-moots-vaccine
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Post by KITN on Aug 21, 2021 19:02:37 GMT
There's now an issue where in Missouri and these other states, there isn't enough medication FOR THE ACTUAL ANIMALS. It's fucking hydroxychloroquine all over again.
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2021 19:08:18 GMT
Yeah idiots keep buying out ivermectin, taking doses meant for horses, getting sick and ending up in the hospital. It is very likely lawsuits will come at Fox for continuing to promote this despite public health warnings.
Of course, it will go to courts, and Fox will claim no reasonable person could believe they were being factual, and the lawsuit will be dropped as they always are.
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Post by 🤯 on Aug 21, 2021 20:54:17 GMT
I wish Fox News would just outright start calling their viewers retards within their own programming broadcasts.
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Post by c on Aug 21, 2021 22:58:14 GMT
But all the other news stations are lying media right?
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Post by Ness on Aug 21, 2021 23:03:38 GMT
I wish Fox News would just outright start calling their viewers retards within their own programming broadcasts. Who is even listening? I'm just tuning in for the eye candy.
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Post by thereallt on Aug 22, 2021 14:00:15 GMT
I never thought I would see the day Australia became a police state. The same thing happening in America scares me a hell of a lot more than Covid does
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Post by System on Aug 22, 2021 14:27:23 GMT
I never thought I would see the day Australia became a police state. The same thing happening in America scares me a hell of a lot more than Covid does This shit is getting ridiculous and if you criticise it people just automatically assume you’re a tinfoil hat that thinks it’s a hoax. Was a guy who got fined $500 for taking his mask off for two seconds as worker at post office saw it, luckily Sydney lawyer saw his video on it and offered him legal aid. Think I posted about it earlier but business in my area for a fine for not displaying QR code sign correctly (you’re expecting to sign in using an app everywhere you go) Also saw a video of a guy who was under HOUSE ARREST with children told he needed to self-isolate in a hotel instead. He explained calmly a few times that he was under HOUSE ARREST and wouldn’t leave unless they produced a warrant or he could talk to his parole officer or something but they just told him they were going to arrest him for not complying. Also the head of police has said he will not hold police accountable for issuing tickets by mistake If you have a partner that you’re intimate with then it’s fine to visit them wherever they are but if you just want a friend over you have to nominate them in a “singles bubbles”.
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Post by System on Aug 22, 2021 15:13:08 GMT
www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rescue-dogs-shot-dead-by-nsw-council-due-to-covid-19-restrictions-20210821-p58ksh.html Rescue dogs shot dead by NSW council due to COVID-19 restrictions Several impounded dogs due to be rescued by a shelter have instead been shot dead by a rural council in NSW under its interpretation of COVID-19 restrictions, alarming animal activists and prompting a government probe. Bourke Shire Council, in the state’s north-west, killed the dogs to prevent volunteers at a Cobar-based animal shelter from travelling to pick up the animals last week, according to council’s watchdog, the Office of Local Government. “OLG has been informed that the council decided to take this course of action to protect its employees and community, including vulnerable Aboriginal populations, from the risk of COVID-19 transmission,” a spokesman from the government agency said. The spokesman said the agency was examining the circumstances of the incident to find out whether companion animal and cruelty prevention laws had been broken.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 22, 2021 23:19:29 GMT
I never thought I would see the day Australia became a police state. The same thing happening in America scares me a hell of a lot more than Covid does You have no idea At the moment, to leave the country you need written permission from the home affairs department and they turn down most requests, even for people wanting to visit dying relatives. If you do leave, there is next to zero chance you are allowed back into the country, then if you are you have to pay the government 2k to sit in hotel quarantine for two weeks. We have lost our collective minds. The plan was to reopen once we hit 70-80% vaccinated, but the socialists are now pivoting and demanding Lockdowns until every child is vaccinated. In Melbourne we must wear a mask in public even exercising. Schools and child care closed All non essential shops closed Only travel 5km from your house Curfew between 9pm and 5am No visitors to your home Playgrounds closed Not allowed to see parents or grandparents Case numbers still going up
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Post by c on Aug 22, 2021 23:26:44 GMT
Likely Australia failed at containment. It is not just case numbers going up, the rate of new cases is going up as well. Vaccination will not stop it, as they do not stop new cases, only the severity of the cases.
Basically delta cannot be contained with the current restrictions, nor does this offer a viable option for an endemic. From what I seen, there is no plan either for a way out. I mean the Christmas miracle plan seems like a cruel inside joke. I suspect by Christmas both Doherty Institute and Morrison will be getting a lot of heat and the whole experiment considered a failure.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 23, 2021 1:16:20 GMT
Likely Australia failed at containment. It is not just case numbers going up, the rate of new cases is going up as well. Vaccination will not stop it, as they do not stop new cases, only the severity of the cases. Basically delta cannot be contained with the current restrictions, nor does this offer a viable option for an endemic. From what I seen, there is no plan either for a way out. I mean the Christmas miracle plan seems like a cruel inside joke. I suspect by Christmas both Doherty Institute and Morrison will be getting a lot of heat and the whole experiment considered a failure. There is a BS narrative pushed on Sydndey since their outbreak You should have gone harder and earlier... Except we did, in Melbourne we went into a lockdown as soon as the cases were discovered. The issue is that to contain Delta you would need 100% compliance from 100% of the population and that just doesn't happen with anything. With that sort of compliance you would still see transmission amongst essential workers, it is a mess. Even in total lockdown the case numbers in Melbourne and Sydney have an R0 of about 1.2-1.3 which make it impossible for case numbers to go down.
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Post by System on Aug 23, 2021 1:27:25 GMT
Likely Australia failed at containment. It is not just case numbers going up, the rate of new cases is going up as well. Vaccination will not stop it, as they do not stop new cases, only the severity of the cases. Basically delta cannot be contained with the current restrictions, nor does this offer a viable option for an endemic. From what I seen, there is no plan either for a way out. I mean the Christmas miracle plan seems like a cruel inside joke. I suspect by Christmas both Doherty Institute and Morrison will be getting a lot of heat and the whole experiment considered a failure. Every day I have this conversation with someone online that we are past the point of containment and they think I’m just being negative. Then the next day they see the case numbers and are shocked.
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Post by c on Aug 23, 2021 2:17:24 GMT
Likely Australia failed at containment. It is not just case numbers going up, the rate of new cases is going up as well. Vaccination will not stop it, as they do not stop new cases, only the severity of the cases. Basically delta cannot be contained with the current restrictions, nor does this offer a viable option for an endemic. From what I seen, there is no plan either for a way out. I mean the Christmas miracle plan seems like a cruel inside joke. I suspect by Christmas both Doherty Institute and Morrison will be getting a lot of heat and the whole experiment considered a failure. There is a BS narrative pushed on Sydndey since their outbreak You should have gone harder and earlier... Except we did, in Melbourne we went into a lockdown as soon as the cases were discovered. The issue is that to contain Delta you would need 100% compliance from 100% of the population and that just doesn't happen with anything. With that sort of compliance you would still see transmission amongst essential workers, it is a mess. Even in total lockdown the case numbers in Melbourne and Sydney have an R0 of about 1.2-1.3 which make it impossible for case numbers to go down. Could you have went harder? People are rioting in the streets at the current level of lockdown and a group of alt right radicals are growing by the day. There are ways to have went harder in theory, particularly grid based measures and locking down neighborhoods with martial law Wuhan style when a grid is infected, but given the anger currently, there is no way the people would have accepted that. To go harder really was to implement a full blown police state. And yeah the problem with the current method it is assumed 100 percent compliance behind closed doors. That is not a reasonable assumption for any model and why containment failed I would bet. It really only takes one person to say fuck the rules to bring in an infection. As for starting earlier, like this all started when that girl got delta from the street transmission. How much earlier should you all have started? Maybe could have ramped to a full lockdown faster but with that video it was clear that you were in serious trouble with how fast transmission occured in a situation where it was assumed there would be little risk. That aussie street transmission video should have been a wake up sign that most of the believed assumptions about COVID transmission are not right and was a black swan event for the model of COVID transmission we had. If it can spread by five seconds of sharing an open space, it is likely it will infect buildings and pass through the low quality partially sealed masks most people wear. Even with the hardest lockdowns, it is likely infecting stores, warehouses and apartments. Yet despite all this, the government is promoting a Christmas miracle with COVID going away and no longer being a threat. The real miracle I assume is if any of the government enters an election year with any shot of getting reelected given how angry people are.
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Post by c on Aug 23, 2021 2:20:57 GMT
Likely Australia failed at containment. It is not just case numbers going up, the rate of new cases is going up as well. Vaccination will not stop it, as they do not stop new cases, only the severity of the cases. Basically delta cannot be contained with the current restrictions, nor does this offer a viable option for an endemic. From what I seen, there is no plan either for a way out. I mean the Christmas miracle plan seems like a cruel inside joke. I suspect by Christmas both Doherty Institute and Morrison will be getting a lot of heat and the whole experiment considered a failure. Every day I have this conversation with someone online that we are past the point of containment and they think I’m just being negative. Then the next day they see the case numbers and are shocked. Why I like numbers, they are objective. And rather than be negative this should be a wake up call that the head start to get the healthcare systems in place for a widescale outbreak are almost up. And I suspect that the country banking on lockdowns and waiting out the pandemic has not ramped up emergency care capacity. Having the capacity to treat everyone who will likely get sick should be a serious concern people have right now. You all seen what happened in most of the rest of the world, if it happens there despite the lockdowns the government will be entirely to blame.
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