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Post by iNCY on Aug 31, 2021 10:40:59 GMT
This is very interesting and in line with what I long suspected. Covid-19 is mostly killing the very sick.
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Post by c on Aug 31, 2021 11:33:30 GMT
Also your move Christians: Leviticus 13:45-46 And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean. All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be. Idly wondering what Leviticus has to do with Christians? In the US Evangelical Christians mostly follow the old testament these days. Jesus was too much of a filthy liberal for them. See a quote justifying some action, it is usually Leviticus they use.
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Post by c on Aug 31, 2021 11:36:26 GMT
This is very interesting and in line with what I long suspected. Covid-19 is mostly killing the very sick. Prior conditions covers a lot of shit, and most of them would not be considered very sick. If anything it shows COVID mostly kills older people who are likely to have collected conditions. Need to see the list of what they consider a condition to make a determination though. Also many conditions apply to like 30% or more in America and come in clusters. Page that is wrong no longer exists but here is their list of conditions related to COVID deaths: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/underlying-evidence-table.html
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Post by nath45 on Aug 31, 2021 11:43:42 GMT
This is very interesting and in line with what I long suspected. Covid-19 is mostly killing the very sick. No Shit lol. It's like that car-crash didn't kill them, despite being bloodied & broken - it was stubbing their toe stepping out of the wreck that did. I believe in the early days of the pandemic, some countries were very selective in their reporting also to achieve low numbers. I remember New Zealand, was very quick to point out that Little Billy was gravely ill first, prior to dying with Covid-19 - so therefore it's not a Covid-19 death. While other countries would record it regardless of whether the deceased was ill prior or not.
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Post by c on Aug 31, 2021 11:44:12 GMT
Here is the new link for that study that was referenced. www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htmFrom the study: "The percentage of the US adult population known to have 2 or more underlying medical conditions ranges from approximately 38% to 64% by state." "Hypertension and disorders of lipid metabolism (the most prevalent conditions), and obesity and diabetes with complication (strong risk factors for death, IMV, and ICU admission) are associated with well-described hormonal and inflammatory pathways, also previously shown to be risk factors for severe COVID-19 illness." "Anxiety and fear-related disorders were a prevalent condition in our sample; they were also the second highest risk factor for death among the underlying conditions considered in our study." So this is mixed. The obesity related disorders lead to a higher risk of death, but few will consider people with low severity mental illness very sick. Nor are people with the obesity clusters of disorders, which quickly adds up to 10+ things wrong with the blood, very sick. Right now I am sitting at a ton of conditions: Mental cluster: Bipolar Panic disorder Excoriation disorder Sleep cluster: Limb Jerk disorder Hypersomnia Sleep apnea Asthenia / Debility Polycythemia Vitamin D deficiency Fatty cluster: Obesity Hyperglycemia Hyperlipidemia Hypertension Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease Asthma Other cluster: Allergies Former Smoker GERD Cholecystectomy Cluster these up and it basically means I am fat, have a sleep disorder and a depression / anxiety combination. Recursively, everything could just be related to the sleep disorder. Going just off the conditions I would be considered extremely sick, which I am, but not all of these conditions are related to actually being sick. Most are related to just being fat these days. On a sad note, I now weigh three times what I weighed when I started to post on PW. Just hit 300 But hitting 300 gave me back stimulants. Not had a burn off in a while either, I suspect next burnoff I have will drop to 200. Usually drop a third of my body weight before stabilizing. But yeah people think a lot of conditions means like major disease, but really it is minor stuff that once you get one condition you are likely to have several others. Also the more you see a doctor the more conditions you get since they are based on testing. People who never go to a doctor have no conditions really.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 31, 2021 13:38:32 GMT
Yeah c, I read the report and the facts still stand, even by what you quoted: "The percentage of the US adult population known to have 2 or more underlying medical conditions ranges from approximately 38% to 64% by state." In the Covid deaths they represent 97% of the deathd.
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Post by c on Aug 31, 2021 13:40:23 GMT
But it is still a far cry from having a condition to being very sick.
Relative risk shows that only certain conditions matter. Basically if you have pulmonary issues you are fucked.
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Post by iNCY on Aug 31, 2021 15:34:01 GMT
But it is still a far cry from having a condition to being very sick. Relative risk shows that only certain conditions matter. Basically if you have pulmonary issues you are fucked. They have used chronic conditions, not just any. Data still rings true.
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Post by c on Sept 1, 2021 2:05:06 GMT
Their use of chronic generally means lasting two or more weeks. So a cough that lasts for three weeks would be a chronic cough. Chronic here does not mean indefinite and basically they used chronic codes to get a list of conditions really fast that are not more symptom based like the acute code list. Human case analysis will find this method overestimates the effects.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 1, 2021 3:05:55 GMT
FML.
Upon the state reaching 70% first dose:
" The 5km travel limit for shopping and exercise will be expanded to 10km
- The daily exercise limit will be expanded from two to three hours
- Communial gym equipment and skate parks will reopen
- Outdoor personal traning will be allowed with up to two people plus the trainer
- Child minding for school-aged children will be allowed
- Private inspections of unoccupied premises for a new purchase or end of a lease will be permitted
- Construction sites will be able to increase to 50 per cent of their capacity where 90 per cent of their workforce have received at least one vaccine dose. "
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Post by c on Sept 1, 2021 7:19:02 GMT
So basically they totally moved the goal posts to 80% for you all. Bet when you hit 80% they move it to 85%...
US schools finding a new problem now. While they opened to ignore the risks of COVID now they are facing grief crises as teachers are getting infected by the students and dying forcing the schools to close down rather than expose the students to more death. We are in the first four weeks of the school year. Because plans were to reopen, remote options are not prepped for schools that have to swap either, so it is all set up a plan at the very last minute to redo remote until delta passes for schools closing due to student's distress. Meanwhile parents rail against the schools closing saying that the children should just man up, stop being pussies and just deal with the fact that not all of their teachers will survive until the end of the year. School board meetings are crazy to watch.
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Post by System on Sept 1, 2021 11:45:10 GMT
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Post by nath45 on Sept 1, 2021 13:23:19 GMT
So basically they totally moved the goal posts to 80% for you all. Bet when you hit 80% they move it to 85%... US schools finding a new problem now. While they opened to ignore the risks of COVID now they are facing grief crises as teachers are getting infected by the students and dying forcing the schools to close down rather than expose the students to more death. We are in the first four weeks of the school year. Because plans were to reopen, remote options are not prepped for schools that have to swap either, so it is all set up a plan at the very last minute to redo remote until delta passes for schools closing due to student's distress. Meanwhile parents rail against the schools closing saying that the children should just man up, stop being pussies and just deal with the fact that not all of their teachers will survive until the end of the year. School board meetings are crazy to watch. "Won't someone please think of the children!" My bet is, we will achieve the 70% first dose by the suggest 23rd of September and hit the 70/80% double dose by later this year, and then Dan Andrews will tell us, that isn't good enough and that our most vulnerable are now the young, and will set a target for vaccines for those aged 12-15 prior to opening up the new school year in 2022. www.pm.gov.au/media/children-aged-12-15-years-now-eligible-covid-19-vaccine
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Post by iNCY on Sept 1, 2021 14:20:35 GMT
So basically they totally moved the goal posts to 80% for you all. Bet when you hit 80% they move it to 85%... US schools finding a new problem now. While they opened to ignore the risks of COVID now they are facing grief crises as teachers are getting infected by the students and dying forcing the schools to close down rather than expose the students to more death. We are in the first four weeks of the school year. Because plans were to reopen, remote options are not prepped for schools that have to swap either, so it is all set up a plan at the very last minute to redo remote until delta passes for schools closing due to student's distress. Meanwhile parents rail against the schools closing saying that the children should just man up, stop being pussies and just deal with the fact that not all of their teachers will survive until the end of the year. School board meetings are crazy to watch. "Won't someone please think of the children!" My bet is, we will achieve the 70% first dose by the suggest 23rd of September and hit the 70/80% double dose by later this year, and then Dan Andrews will tell us, that isn't good enough and that our most vulnerable are now the young, and will set a target for vaccines for those aged 12-15 prior to opening up the new school year in 2022. www.pm.gov.au/media/children-aged-12-15-years-now-eligible-covid-19-vaccineYeah, I think they will pivot to 70% of everyone rather than 70% of eligable. It will changed based on how much virus is in the community etc. Really hate politics in Australia at the moment. I am voting Liberal Democrats at the next election.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 2, 2021 9:09:39 GMT
"Won't someone please think of the children!" My bet is, we will achieve the 70% first dose by the suggest 23rd of September and hit the 70/80% double dose by later this year, and then Dan Andrews will tell us, that isn't good enough and that our most vulnerable are now the young, and will set a target for vaccines for those aged 12-15 prior to opening up the new school year in 2022. www.pm.gov.au/media/children-aged-12-15-years-now-eligible-covid-19-vaccine Yeah, I think they will pivot to 70% of everyone rather than 70% of eligable. It will changed based on how much virus is in the community etc. Really hate politics in Australia at the moment. I am voting Liberal Democrats at the next election. Big concerns around the indigenous population, with reportedly less than 10% of the indigenous population in WA, as an example are vaccinated. The indigenous population sits around 800,000 as of 2016 nation wide, and culturally, or more so socially, taking into consideration the prospect of relationships with white Australians, the wider community could be 1,000,000+ potentially 4% of the Australian population. So to my point for the non-Aussies, in 2016, the unemployment rate for indigenous people of working age was 18.4% or 2.7 times the non-indigenous. Many of their communities are riddled with crime, drug use and violence, with a large percentage of their population sitting at the lowest end of the socio-economic totem pole. Poor education and cultural barriers would be largely responsible for many not getting vaccinated in metropolitan and regional cities. In short, many don't live in the real world. I would also suggest, when Daniel Andrews shifts the goal posts, this might also be it.
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Post by Gyro LC on Sept 2, 2021 17:00:21 GMT
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Post by c on Sept 2, 2021 23:07:09 GMT
Hospitals reporting mass poisoning in the south and heartland as people overdose on horse dewormer to fight covid.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 2, 2021 23:18:35 GMT
Hospitals reporting mass poisoning in the south and heartland as people overdose on horse dewormer to fight covid. No one said fighting the good fight would be easy.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 2, 2021 23:27:20 GMT
At the moment if you return from overseas you are forced to pay the government about $2,000 to be locked in a hotel 24hrs a day for 14 days. It's essentially a prison sentence, no going outside or talking to people or even opening the door. This app is meant to be an alternative. But some of our states are loopy, SA will lock you in the hotel for two weeks even if you're only a close contact of a Covid patient. This is meant to allow people to do their quarantine at home with random inspections to confirm compliance... Yes, it's terrible but it's practically to be expected these days. In my state we have finally run up the white flag on eliminating Covid. Mind you we are still locked down and about to break the world record for the most locked down city in Covid 19. Today they have relaxed a restriction, this is no word of a lie or embellishment. Playgrounds were closed to all children, today they are no longer closed, but children can only be brought to the outdoor playground by one carer, who must sign in with a QR code and wear a mask the entire time, no food or drink is to be consumed by the adult as the mask cannot be removed at any point. Once our population gets to 70% of people having the first dose they will let you travel up to 10km from your home instead o 5km, but still nearly all retail is closed, restaurants are take out only and you cannot visit anyone. Schools and daycare remain closed. People here think I'm nuts when I get worked up about socialism and totalitarianism... But this is where it leads you.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 2, 2021 23:53:00 GMT
How has the Australian economy not totally collapsed?
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Post by c on Sept 2, 2021 23:55:17 GMT
Gonna be a real fun election in Aussieland. Suspect you will not be as liberal as you are now after the election.
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Post by c on Sept 2, 2021 23:56:16 GMT
How has the Australian economy not totally collapsed? Australia after lockdown is lifted...
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Post by iNCY on Sept 3, 2021 1:19:50 GMT
How has the Australian economy not totally collapsed? It's a sad truth of capitalism that you cannot go broke when you print your own money. We have run up extraordinary debt keeping the cou try afloat and it will never be repaid. The issue then is not debt but inflation, want to see what MMT looks like in practice? We are a great test case. And c in quite a confusing detail our government that holds power country is the liberal party, which is confusingly our conservative party... This is our right wing, just imagine a left wing government.... Actually, look at NZ that's the world's current leftist wet dream. The lockdown in Auckland currently is brutal, the only thing open is grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations. Only workplaces allowed to trade are those providing or supporting this critical infrastructure. It's such a nonsense, zero is not a sustainable target. Anyone who is at risk of dying of Covid should already be vaccinated.
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Post by c on Sept 3, 2021 1:37:52 GMT
Yeah your party names are confusing as all fuck. But aren't the Liberal Democratic Party to the right of the coalition? Sounds like they will be getting some serious support in the coming election by opposing the lockdown state. Of course Australia will open up before the election, but not everyone is likely to forgive the leaders now for years of restrictions and from what I seen they say 10% of seats would be a major win.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 3, 2021 4:30:53 GMT
Yeah your party names are confusing as all fuck. But aren't the Liberal Democratic Party to the right of the coalition? Sounds like they will be getting some serious support in the coming election by opposing the lockdown state. Of course Australia will open up before the election, but not everyone is likely to forgive the leaders now for years of restrictions and from what I seen they say 10% of seats would be a major win. Liberal Democrats are a minority party with zero chance of winning more than the balance of power. You have First Past the Post (FPP) voting we have preferences. This means that a candidate could get 49% of the vote, the second guy 26% and the third guy 24% If the third guy has in his preferences the second guy before the first guy, then the guy in second place wins the seat. Our Prime Minister famously lost an election and his own seat in parliament in 2007. This was the vote:
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Post by c on Sept 3, 2021 7:23:44 GMT
Yikes US COVID deaths ramping up hard again. At 1.5k per day now. Hospitals in several state filled and more states about to break.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 3, 2021 11:44:54 GMT
Quick poll...
We have a wedding we've been invited to this evening. 90 people. Go or abstain?
I don't feel comfortable with going for multitude reasons. But my reason would have to be covid concerns for any actual traction.
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Post by Ness on Sept 3, 2021 12:17:25 GMT
What's the worst feeling in the world?
Checking the mail and seeing a wedding imvite.
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Post by Emperor on Sept 3, 2021 13:27:37 GMT
🤯 I'm confused. Did you literally receive the invitation on the same day as the wedding? Normally you receive the invitation months in advance...so wouldn't you have made the decision to go then?
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 3, 2021 14:13:48 GMT
🤯 I'm confused. Did you literally receive the invitation on the same day as the wedding? Normally you receive the invitation months in advance...so wouldn't you have made the decision to go then? Family friend of Wife's, practically a sister. Original plan I think had been for them to get married destination style in Italy. Corona changed those plans last year. We got the invite to this Plan B maybe a month or so ago? Recall feeling like it was very last minute, but considering the girl's personality and the Covid monkey wrench... It kinda fit the bill. We RSVP'd yes at the time, but then like immediately afterward the delta variant shit started going hog wild. Even without corona, I would've preferred to sit this one out. It's a bunch of uppity ego-driven elitist white suburbanites gathering at a country club. Fuck that scene. But now add things like you getting corona'd, or c jacking my anxiety, or just in general the anecdotal stuff seen on Instagram or reddit of friends or people getting sick, and I'm like... Is this worth it? I mean, to me the answer would be no regardless of corona. But now is corona at least a viable excuse for expressing my desire to not go? Anyway... Back to watching rad's PW Wrestling rrrrumble!!!
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