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Post by iNCY on Sept 9, 2021 14:13:21 GMT
I was explaining why our growth has been linear, it is because it is occurring in a hard lockdown. If we open at 70% I don't care what happens.
Media and politicians need to take a hard line. Israel is showing us that unvaccinated people are prone to getting sick and dying. If we open up and unvaccinated people get sick or die, more full them.
Not getting vaccinated is like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. Don't cry when your behaviour causes serious disease or death.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 9, 2021 14:16:00 GMT
I was explaining why our growth has been linear, it is because it is occurring in a hard lockdown. If we open at 70% I don't care what happens. Media and politicians need to take a hard line. Israel is showing us that unvaccinated people are prone to getting sick and dying. If we open up and unvaccinated people get sick or die, more full them. Not getting vaccinated is like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. Don't cry when your behaviour causes serious disease or death. I'm all for eligible but unvaccinated by choice adults getting wiped courtesy of corona, but what about kids too young for a vaccine?
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Post by c on Sept 9, 2021 14:33:47 GMT
I was explaining why our growth has been linear, it is because it is occurring in a hard lockdown. If we open at 70% I don't care what happens. Media and politicians need to take a hard line. Israel is showing us that unvaccinated people are prone to getting sick and dying. If we open up and unvaccinated people get sick or die, more full them. Not getting vaccinated is like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. Don't cry when your behaviour causes serious disease or death. With a lockdown it should not be linear though. Linear increase means essentially the amount of people the virus can effect increases at the same rate as the amount of people who are infected. Such a weird thing to see. It would imply that Australia is slowly reducing lockdowns as the cases increases, which is not the case. Totally agree with the rest. The message should be at this point we have a vaccine, and if you choose not to take it, you willing take the risk of death or disability. We should also no longer cover treatment costs for those who can take the vaccine and refuse.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 9, 2021 14:45:44 GMT
I was explaining why our growth has been linear, it is because it is occurring in a hard lockdown. If we open at 70% I don't care what happens. Media and politicians need to take a hard line. Israel is showing us that unvaccinated people are prone to getting sick and dying. If we open up and unvaccinated people get sick or die, more full them. Not getting vaccinated is like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. Don't cry when your behaviour causes serious disease or death. I'm all for eligible but unvaccinated by choice adults getting wiped courtesy of corona, but what about kids too young for a vaccine? All the studies that we have access to say there is no serious risk for children with Covid-19. They aren't talking a let it rip strategy here, just slowly opening up. You cannot indefinitely close a country and continue with the same standard of living. We don't really have a choice.
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Post by c on Sept 9, 2021 14:50:41 GMT
There is no serious risk for children with COVID except for the ones who have no preexisting conditions and die. But excluding them, there are no problems.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 9, 2021 14:50:47 GMT
I'm all for eligible but unvaccinated by choice adults getting wiped courtesy of corona, but what about kids too young for a vaccine? All the studies that we have access to say there is no serious risk for children with Covid-19. They aren't talking a let it rip strategy here, just slowly opening up. You cannot indefinitely close a country and continue with the same standard of living. We don't really have a choice. What about what c is reporting about the surge in child hospitalizations?
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Post by c on Sept 9, 2021 14:54:47 GMT
Statistics in the US have 1 percent of all children's COVID cases resulting in hospitalization right now with a slow trickle of deaths. Some claims all of these children must have prior conditions, but death reports are claiming they do not, and most of the hospitalization cases have no other conditions. We just made a decision that 1 percent of kids do not matter and worth getting rid of to reopen schools.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 9, 2021 17:52:36 GMT
Just when I think the part of Australia I love is dead and buried. We get this masterpiece of a Covid-19 vaccination ad. Which I am sure will not resonate with the rest of the world. That's gold. :lol: Alberta now currently has the highest number of cases in Canada despite Ontario having 3x our population. We are also the Province with the lowest number of people vaccinated. Should I be shocked? Absolutely not. Alberta is a very 'conservative', very right wing thinking Province. Some of the biggest vaccine naysayers live here and we probably have the largest amount of people who believe this whole thing is a hoax of some sort used to control us and 'chip' us. Our health care system is overworked as our super intelligent Premier decided a few months ago to start cutting nurses and other hospital workers' hours with 4th wave just on the horizon. Morale is pretty much at it's lowest in healthcare professions. I just got back to the office 2-3 days a week, which I was enjoying (minus the drive) and am now back to my home office full time. Even though our numbers are 1000+ a day the only current measures government is taking is masking. Oh, they did offer unvaccinated people $100 gift card for getting vaccinated. :suspic:
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Post by c on Sept 9, 2021 19:57:34 GMT
Biden invoked a nuclear option. All US companies with over 100 employees now need to mandate vaccination or do companywide weekly testing. Cost of the testing will likely be on the employers as well, so there is no incentive for them to go against this mandate unless they want to score points with the Covidiuts.
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Post by Ness on Sept 9, 2021 20:03:57 GMT
Businesses be Like: We can't (won't) raise wages and offer reasons to stick around and we barely have a skeleton crew.
Biden: LOL just wait.
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Post by c on Sept 10, 2021 1:32:18 GMT
LA public schools just mandated vaccinations for all students over 12 who can get them. Gonna be a violent month in the US as people lose their shit over the US enacting policy that has been on the books for decades regarding vaccines.
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Post by c on Sept 13, 2021 23:30:49 GMT
Earlier today Herman Cain's twitter account posted that the threat of COVID was highly overblown. They then deleted the last several months of tweets after the blowback they got. This was not the first, or even second time this account posted this then deleted months of tweets...
Also /r/HermanCainAward/ is getting quite interesting. So many people who made videos trashing masks or the vaccine ending up with gofundmes for their funerals.
In other news the two people who hospitals were threatened with lawsuits for not giving horse deworming too both died after getting horse dewormer.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 13, 2021 23:45:40 GMT
7 days until Melbourne passes Buenos Aires as the most locked down city in the world. There is zero chance our lockdown evrn relaxes slightly until the middle of November.
At the moment they are "dangling the carrot" that at 70% of the population getting to one dose by Friday, they will: Allow you to travel 10km instead of 5km from your house Allow you to exercise for 3hrs per day outside your house instead of two... Masked of course.
Still no school.
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Post by nazzer on Sept 14, 2021 0:23:07 GMT
In British Columbia we can no longer enter non essential businesses without our government proof of vaccine.
I have my vaccines so not overly concerned. The execution a shitshow though. Poor communication throughout. Not sure exactly where I need to show this. No details of how it will be enforced. No support provided to business for checking this at the door.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 0:32:22 GMT
Meanwhile in America companies losing about 5% to 10% of their workforce after vaccine mandates put into place. Guess we found workers for all those food service jobs after all now.
There is a real fear of a serious wave of widespread violence in the workplace as the mandates start to go into effect. Literally expecting mass shootings in the near future, because you know, killing all your coworkers is more reasonable than getting a vaccine.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 0:50:56 GMT
7 days until Melbourne passes Buenos Aires as the most locked down city in the world. There is zero chance our lockdown evrn relaxes slightly until the middle of November. At the moment they are "dangling the carrot" that at 70% of the population getting to one dose by Friday, they will: Allow you to travel 10km instead of 5km from your house Allow you to exercise for 3hrs per day outside your house instead of two... Masked of course. Still no school. Meanwhile, American production 'La Brea' (yeah, no idea) has not only commenced and completed filming in Melbourne in 2021, it has also been filming in regional Victoria. Meanwhile, at one point we couldn't go to the park. This should be more of an outrage.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 14, 2021 1:06:45 GMT
I still don't understand the mandate to get vaccinated. It is the unvaccinated who are at risk of dying of Covid-19, yet all the messaging is that the vaccinated need to be protected from the folly of the unvaccinated. Not only is this a wedge, it makes no sense, the unvaccinated are a threat to themselves.
It's poor messaging to say that mandates are required to protect the vaccinated, that is what the vaccine is for.
Since the start of the pandemic, the USA, UK and Australia have been all over the place with their messaging. Probably most other countries too, but they don't get recorded here. Most impressive so far (from what I have seen reported) is Singapore.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 1:34:53 GMT
Companies, simply put, do not want unvaccinated people working for them. So they pressure Biden to push the mandate so they do not suffer the backlash from cancel culture. But unvaccinated people were costing companies huge amount of cash in lost production, preventive measures and in insurance costs and they were sick of it.
Given hundreds of companies had updated their policy by the end of the day that Biden announced the mandates though, they been on board and were just waiting for the signal that they could go ahead and force this.
The mandate federally will not even be enforced, but it will allow companies who had been pushing quietly for the right to do this to go ahead and enforce it. Eitherway, the main group pushing for this was the U.S. Chamber of Commerce it seems, which ultimately is a trade lobby.
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And the mandates protect everyone when in a place where hospitals are filling and people are literally dying from treatable conditions unrelated to COVID because they cannot get a room in a hospital for treatment. It is so bad major hospital chains are trying to opt out certain hospitals from dealing with unvaccinated patients altogether and many doctors offices refuse any treatment for those without vaccinations. Around me only state run offices will take unvaccinated patients at all. Everyone else requires a vaccination to even enter the building. And this was the sole time anyone asked for my card.
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Post by iNCY on Sept 14, 2021 2:00:35 GMT
Companies, simply put, do not want unvaccinated people working for them. So they pressure Biden to push the mandate so they do not suffer the backlash from cancel culture. But unvaccinated people were costing companies huge amount of cash in lost production, preventive measures and in insurance costs and they were sick of it. Given hundreds of companies had updated their policy by the end of the day that Biden announced the mandates though, they been on board and were just waiting for the signal that they could go ahead and force this. The mandate federally will not even be enforced, but it will allow companies who had been pushing quietly for the right to do this to go ahead and enforce it. Eitherway, the main group pushing for this was the U.S. Chamber of Commerce it seems, which ultimately is a trade lobby. === And the mandates protect everyone when in a place where hospitals are filling and people are literally dying from treatable conditions unrelated to COVID because they cannot get a room in a hospital for treatment. It is so bad major hospital chains are trying to opt out certain hospitals from dealing with unvaccinated patients altogether and many doctors offices refuse any treatment for those without vaccinations. Around me only state run offices will take unvaccinated patients at all. Everyone else requires a vaccination to even enter the building. And this was the sole time anyone asked for my card. Are you suggesting that Biden was lying about his reasoning in his Whitehouse announcement of the vaccine mandate? I still say the messaging is atrocious. Is there a National USA advertising campaign for vaccination?
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Post by Gyro LC on Sept 14, 2021 2:15:52 GMT
Companies, simply put, do not want unvaccinated people working for them. So they pressure Biden to push the mandate so they do not suffer the backlash from cancel culture. But unvaccinated people were costing companies huge amount of cash in lost production, preventive measures and in insurance costs and they were sick of it. Given hundreds of companies had updated their policy by the end of the day that Biden announced the mandates though, they been on board and were just waiting for the signal that they could go ahead and force this. The mandate federally will not even be enforced, but it will allow companies who had been pushing quietly for the right to do this to go ahead and enforce it. Eitherway, the main group pushing for this was the U.S. Chamber of Commerce it seems, which ultimately is a trade lobby. === And the mandates protect everyone when in a place where hospitals are filling and people are literally dying from treatable conditions unrelated to COVID because they cannot get a room in a hospital for treatment. It is so bad major hospital chains are trying to opt out certain hospitals from dealing with unvaccinated patients altogether and many doctors offices refuse any treatment for those without vaccinations. Around me only state run offices will take unvaccinated patients at all. Everyone else requires a vaccination to even enter the building. And this was the sole time anyone asked for my card. Are you suggesting that Biden was lying about his reasoning in his Whitehouse announcement of the vaccine mandate? I still say the messaging is atrocious. Is there a National USA advertising campaign for vaccination? I started getting ads for vaccinations yesterday on Youtube.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 8:37:15 GMT
To add to the hilarity of the last 18 months, one of my sisters works in a covid testing facility. The other, I just found out today is an anti-vaxxer and is refusing to get vaccinated and now believes the whole thing is a conspiracy.
Good times.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 11:23:38 GMT
About 250k kids getting COVID a week in the US. 1 in 3 cases now is a child. Child death rate already doubled in the last six weeks and still is ramping up from school starting. Peak of the child COVID epidemic is not surprisingly the South.
Not sure what ads will do to get people to take a vaccine for COVID. 15% to 30% of people believe Fauci made the virus with the Chinese government to control the American people and promote a communist state in the US. The places these people trust for news, Fox News and other right wing media sites tell them to resist getting vaccinated. Biden doing commercials will not chance their views at all, and the people who would be influenced by something like this are already vaccinated. The sole thing that gets people to change their minds is dying of COVID. In days before their death, the COVIDIOTS make videos saying they were wrong but the rest of the idiots just claim they only changed their minds because they were heavily drugged.
Since right wing media refuses to stop the vaccine fear mongering, mandates are the way to get the rest of the people vaccinated to ease the burden on healthcare.
In the US sometimes a law that is not enforced simply being on the books is enough to force change. And our leaders are not going to have nuanced talks on US law during policy briefs that most will only see in 5 second soundbytes. Fact is healthcare advisors and business leaders both advised that the best thing for the health and the economy of this country is to mandate vaccination to ease up on people getting sick.
GOP response to this all is they plan to overturn Jacobs vs Mass and create a right to refusal law. If this is done all vaccination mandates will be ruled invalid for all diseases. GOP is going to run on this in 2022. I assume they will also rebrand as the Get Our Polio party. Schools are already reporting a massive decline in school vaccinations in the last two years, so it is beginning already with MMR and HPV vaccination rates flooring in some areas.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
Announced today 77% of hospital beds in the US are in use...
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2021 13:58:39 GMT
Announced today 77% of hospital beds in the US are in use... What was the pre-pandemic percentage?
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Post by Gyro LC on Sept 14, 2021 14:43:16 GMT
I still don't understand the mandate to get vaccinated. It is the unvaccinated who are at risk of dying of Covid-19, yet all the messaging is that the vaccinated need to be protected from the folly of the unvaccinated. I've been reading articles about people who have died because they couldn't get into ERs because of too many COVID patients. One guy had a cardiac episode, the EMTs called 43 ERs to find space but there was none around. Eventually they helicoptered him 200 miles. He died.
While the vaccinated may not be at risk from COVID, the unvaccinated are making it more difficult to get life-saving treatments by clogging up the hospitals.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2021 15:26:00 GMT
I still don't understand the mandate to get vaccinated. It is the unvaccinated who are at risk of dying of Covid-19, yet all the messaging is that the vaccinated need to be protected from the folly of the unvaccinated. I've been reading articles about people who have died because they couldn't get into ERs because of too many COVID patients. One guy had a cardiac episode, the EMTs called 43 ERs to find space but there was none around. Eventually they helicoptered him 200 miles. He died. While the vaccinated may not be at risk from COVID, the unvaccinated are making it more difficult to get life-saving treatments by clogging up the hospitals.
On this note, as much as I love the idea of refusing medical service to the unvaccinated-by-choice retards in America... Logistically, I don't see how that ever works. First, aren't hospitals and medical professionals (or at least doctors) bound by oaths and ethics and shit to render aid to those in need of it? So, hard to imagine them outright turning folks away. Saying they've got no room or bed is way different than refusing to serve/care for someone. That's more triage and just saying it'll be a wait until bandwidth becomes available. Second, even if we could get everyone on board with refusing service to the Hard-Rs, how do you quickly and accurately confirm vaccination status? The card I got is nothing special, easily forged, and I don't even carry mine around. I've got a picture of both sides on my cell... But that seems even easier to fake. Is their some quick access registry? Is there some quick blood or piss test? Even if there is, it doesn't sound like the Healthcare industry has the personnel bandwidth to take on this extra administrative step. So... I don't really know what to say, think, feel, do. That frustration, confusion, helplessness, hopelessness, etc. all starts to add up and really get me hankering for the next pandemic to get going already and be something as intense as the shit in Contagion. Wipe out the Hard Rs and be done with 'em. I dunno... God, I fucking hate people. ///// In other news, our local office continues to notify us about once a week or so of positive cases in the office. Meanwhile, my manager's manager (who was previously my manager), who sits in New York but is traveling to Pittsburgh apparently this week, just emailed our team last night saying he'll be in town this week Wednesday through Friday and wants everyone to gather and maybe even do lunch or dinner. I'm not sure if he's a Hard R, just gargling the corporate company Kool Aid as most feckless middle managers seem to do, or some combination thereof. Or maybe it's just a case of heart in the right spot but head not, and poor expression of an idea? I don't know... but REGARDLESS, it ain't happening. I've made it a year plus in this new job at a new company without ever setting foot in the office. That's proof enough my role doesn't require me ever going into an office again. I'm morbidly curious to see if, how, when they'll try to compel me to come in for arbitrary reasons. I'm hoping the next pandemic or second civil war breaks out before then, but again... Fuck it. It's just so easy to hate everyone and everything these days outside of Wife, son & PW.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 16:19:22 GMT
Well, mom is getting fired soon. 42 years at the company and refuses to get vaccinated and lied about it claiming could not check the status on the vaccinations due to HIPPA, not realizing that the company also was the ones that were to be paying for her vaccination.
She claims she will not get vaccinated because more people died from vaccination than COVID itself. The people that told her this shit are of course alt right media people who themselves have been vaccinated and demand their staff be vaccinated.
Hospitals aim for a normal 65% percent occupancy rate as that is what they can handle at their current staffing levels. As it grows staff becomes stretched thin and patient care and outcomes start to drop. The problem with 76% is that is the national number, so while in many states hospitals are now back to 65%, in the South many states are now at 100% and having to turn away people to die or transfer them out of state. For a place like Louisiana, there is no neighboring state really that can take the patients so they are airlifted several states away if they get an airlift.
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Post by Gyro LC on Sept 14, 2021 16:27:41 GMT
I'm morbidly curious to see if, how, when they'll try to compel me to come in for arbitrary reasons. I'm hoping the next pandemic or second civil war breaks out before then, but again... Fuck it. It's just so easy to hate everyone and everything these days outside of Wife , son
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 16:29:01 GMT
I've been reading articles about people who have died because they couldn't get into ERs because of too many COVID patients. One guy had a cardiac episode, the EMTs called 43 ERs to find space but there was none around. Eventually they helicoptered him 200 miles. He died. While the vaccinated may not be at risk from COVID, the unvaccinated are making it more difficult to get life-saving treatments by clogging up the hospitals.
On this note, as much as I love the idea of refusing medical service to the unvaccinated-by-choice retards in America... Logistically, I don't see how that ever works. First, aren't hospitals and medical professionals (or at least doctors) bound by oaths and ethics and shit to render aid to those in need of it? So, hard to imagine them outright turning folks away. Saying they've got no room or bed is way different than refusing to serve/care for someone. That's more triage and just saying it'll be a wait until bandwidth becomes available. Second, even if we could get everyone on board with refusing service to the Hard-Rs, how do you quickly and accurately confirm vaccination status? The card I got is nothing special, easily forged, and I don't even carry mine around. I've got a picture of both sides on my cell... But that seems even easier to fake. Is their some quick access registry? Is there some quick blood or piss test? Even if there is, it doesn't sound like the Healthcare industry has the personnel bandwidth to take on this extra administrative step. So... I don't really know what to say, think, feel, do. That frustration, confusion, helplessness, hopelessness, etc. all starts to add up and really get me hankering for the next pandemic to get going already and be something as intense as the shit in Contagion. Wipe out the Hard Rs and be done with 'em. I dunno... God, I fucking hate people. ///// So hospitals having to treat patients is a super common misconception. They are private businesses and can refuse service. Tell them you are not insured and refuse to sign anything and see how fast most toss you out. Two types of hospitals do not refuse service for different reasons. First are state run hospitals. These as part of the funding need to serve whoever. The second are Catholic hospitals, which do it as charity. The rest are businesses and their only duty is to make the shareholders money. The Hippocratic oath is DO no harm, which is a proactive oath. This means you actions cannot cause direct harm. This does not deal with the harm your lack of actions do however and this is a major debate point in medical ethics. If you refuse to give someone an antianxiety medication then they kill themselves, you did no harm, but that patient is still dead. If you give them the medication and they become addicted to it and abuse it you did harm. So in medical ethics it is better not to give people psych medications, despite the harm from not giving people medication being greater than the risks of giving it. In the US there is national COVID vaccination database. When you get your shot they write the serial number of the vaccination vial for the registry. COVID was basically just added to the childhood vaccination database. You can forge a card, but the card is meaningless in a medical setting with a connection to the registry.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 16:31:14 GMT
Also I mean if people do not want bad things to happen they just need to comply with the orders right? Isn't that what they said when black people were getting executed by cops? Just do not break the law and comply with authority? If they resist or do not do what they are told, then they deserve to die right? Or is this only true for black people?
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