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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2021 17:07:05 GMT
On this note, as much as I love the idea of refusing medical service to the unvaccinated-by-choice retards in America... Logistically, I don't see how that ever works. First, aren't hospitals and medical professionals (or at least doctors) bound by oaths and ethics and shit to render aid to those in need of it? So, hard to imagine them outright turning folks away. Saying they've got no room or bed is way different than refusing to serve/care for someone. That's more triage and just saying it'll be a wait until bandwidth becomes available. Second, even if we could get everyone on board with refusing service to the Hard-Rs, how do you quickly and accurately confirm vaccination status? The card I got is nothing special, easily forged, and I don't even carry mine around. I've got a picture of both sides on my cell... But that seems even easier to fake. Is their some quick access registry? Is there some quick blood or piss test? Even if there is, it doesn't sound like the Healthcare industry has the personnel bandwidth to take on this extra administrative step. So... I don't really know what to say, think, feel, do. That frustration, confusion, helplessness, hopelessness, etc. all starts to add up and really get me hankering for the next pandemic to get going already and be something as intense as the shit in Contagion. Wipe out the Hard Rs and be done with 'em. I dunno... God, I fucking hate people. ///// So hospitals having to treat patients is a super common misconception. They are private businesses and can refuse service. Tell them you are not insured and refuse to sign anything and see how fast most toss you out. Two types of hospitals do not refuse service for different reasons. First are state run hospitals. These as part of the funding need to serve whoever. The second are Catholic hospitals, which do it as charity. The rest are businesses and their only duty is to make the shareholders money. The Hippocratic oath is DO no harm, which is a proactive oath. This means you actions cannot cause direct harm. This does not deal with the harm your lack of actions do however and this is a major debate point in medical ethics. If you refuse to give someone an antianxiety medication then they kill themselves, you did no harm, but that patient is still dead. If you give them the medication and they become addicted to it and abuse it you did harm. So in medical ethics it is better not to give people psych medications, despite the harm from not giving people medication being greater than the risks of giving it. In the US there is national COVID vaccination database. When you get your shot they write the serial number of the vaccination vial for the registry. COVID was basically just added to the childhood vaccination database. You can forge a card, but the card is meaningless in a medical setting with a connection to the registry. Nonprofits have shareholders?
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 17:25:35 GMT
Most Hospitals are not non-profits. And even non-profit hospitals are basically for profit groups. State run hospitals are the real non-profits. The other two groups differ really in whether they are open about being profit driven, or just do it in the shadows for tax write offs. Research, teaching and religious based charity hospitals are the exceptions. But CEOs at non-profit hospitals can easily make 7 figures and non-profits will do less charity work than for profit groups. It was ironically found that for profits provide the most charity work, as they use it for tax write offs. Here is the article I read on it that went as far as suggesting that most non-profit hospitals should lose their tax exempt status. www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.01627?journalCode=hlthaff
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 21:42:21 GMT
If hospitals are going to start refusing anyone, it needs to start with crackheads.
Let those fuckers die, they made their choice.
Absolute burdens on society.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 14, 2021 22:55:52 GMT
If hospitals are going to start refusing anyone, it needs to start with crackheads. Let those fuckers die, they made their choice. Absolute burdens on society. Would you feel the same if it was your child? I have a friend from work whose eldest daughter fell in with the wrong crowd and now she lives on the streets as a crack addict. It breaks his heart. They did everything they could until they had no choice but to turn her out to save their sanity and their younger kids. There was a girl completely out of her mind the other day when I was grabbing groceries. She was about my daughter's age and I started to cry because I thought 'that is someone's baby'. One decision or a series of decisions led this girl down a different path than my daughter and it could have just as easily been her.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 23:19:45 GMT
We start with crackheads where is the line? Should be refuse to treat people who eat bacon? I mean, in normal years, cholesterol is what fills hospitals beds.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 23:21:44 GMT
If hospitals are going to start refusing anyone, it needs to start with crackheads. Let those fuckers die, they made their choice. Absolute burdens on society. Would you feel the same if it was your child? I have a friend from work whose eldest daughter fell in with the wrong crowd and now she lives on the streets as a crack addict. It breaks his heart. They did everything they could until they had no choice but to turn her out to save their sanity and their younger kids. There was a girl completely out of her mind the other day when I was grabbing groceries. She was about my daughter's age and I started to cry because I thought 'that is someone's baby'. One decision or a series of decisions led this girl down a different path than my daughter and it could have just as easily been her. We make our own choices. As heartbreaking as it is, you'll see countless drug addicts spend a good portion of their life destroying their body and mind and then in older age, or living in a deteriorated state becoming a burden on the community. We will openly ridicule anti-vaxxers for not getting a vaccine that may or may not do anything, with the media often reporting covid deaths as "this person was not vaccinated, look what a dumbass" but heaven forbid, we question 25+ years of drug abuse and contributing to a perpetuatal cycle of violence, crime and some ungodly domestic and sexual violence. 3 strikes, if this is OD number 3 = DNR.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 23:28:05 GMT
Most addicts never make it to the ER. You either die or you recover. Try to put an addict in the hospital and you will get a very, very rapid violent response. The ER does not treat and release addicts usually either. They are Baker acted, considered a danger to themselves and placed in involuntary confinement into the psych wing.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 14, 2021 23:35:12 GMT
"a vaccine that may or may not do anything" Dafuq this mean, nath45?
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 23:42:31 GMT
We start with crackheads where is the line? Should be refuse to treat people who eat bacon? I mean, in normal years, cholesterol is what fills hospitals beds. I can't remember the last time a 300 pounder with bad cholesterol was charged with vehicular manslaughter due to not sleeping for 3 days after mowing down a super sized Bacon Deluxe Meal.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 23:43:38 GMT
"a vaccine that may or may not do anything" Dafuq this mean, nath45? Just stirring the pot, more than anything.
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Post by c on Sept 14, 2021 23:50:13 GMT
How many motor vehicular accidents are caused by hard drugs? Most people are not smoking rocks or shooting up while driving.
Interesting how many people are turning away from vaccines even on this site...
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Post by nath45 on Sept 14, 2021 23:59:24 GMT
I'm vaccinated c, if you're thinking I'm an anti-vaxxer. When you're ready, can you present me the most recent cholesterol related crime stats. I'm interested in how many TVs were stolen under the influence of KFC in 2020.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 15, 2021 0:00:28 GMT
How many motor vehicular accidents are caused by hard drugs? Most people are not smoking rocks or shooting up while driving. I'll give you a tour of regional Australia some day.
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Post by c on Sept 15, 2021 0:00:56 GMT
Did not say it lead to crime. But if you eat food high in cholesterol you make a choice to go down a path leading to heart disease which is still the leading cause of death in most countries. Same as most junkies.
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Post by c on Sept 15, 2021 14:10:02 GMT
1 out of every 500 people in the US has died of COVID. Fun statistics...
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Post by iNCY on Sept 15, 2021 21:39:00 GMT
Did not say it lead to crime. But if you eat food high in cholesterol you make a choice to go down a path leading to heart disease which is still the leading cause of death in most countries. Same as most junkies. We have a single payer socialised medicine healthcare system in Australia. It's not free health care, we pay for it in our taxes. If you earn above a certain amount you're pinged an extra 2% if you don't have private health insurance. I would be all for increase the levy by 5% for everyone. If you have a healthy bmi they knock it down by 2.5% if you have also been vaxed it comes down another 2.5%. No idea how you enforce this, though the vaccine part is easy. We have an exorbitant tax on tobacco which is meant to offset the cost of treating smokers, maybe we put a 10% tak on all unhealthy fast food and grocery items. Its frustrating to see health systems choked by avoidable disease.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 16, 2021 1:23:49 GMT
Our Premier just declared a Public Health Emergency. If our ICU numbers don’t change we will run out of beds/resources in 10 days. So he implemented another half-assed lock down. We’ll see what happens because a lot of the naysayers and those claiming ‘this is against my rights as freedoms’ come from here.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 16, 2021 6:08:12 GMT
If you're fully vaccinated in Victoria you can now gather outside in a group of 5.
Half vaccinated, just groups of 2.
Trades and construction workers, it is now mandatory to be vaccinated.
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Post by c on Sept 16, 2021 6:13:32 GMT
The fuck is that logic behind half-vaccination...
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Post by nath45 on Sept 16, 2021 6:40:48 GMT
10km limit for travel is still in place. And can't travel from regional to metro and visa versa.
Construction will increase to 50% capacity where 90% of those staff are vaccinated. Construction workers travelling from Melbourne are being blamed for outbreaks in regional cities.
Daniel Andrews literally has a 'Random LGA and reason generator' to keep this lockdown going, despite looking at hitting 70% half-vaccinated tomorrow.
And with expected protests this weekend, they've shut down public transport and will likely use this to push another month of imprisonment for the people of Victoria. He's punished us before, and has stated he'll do it again.
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Post by c on Sept 16, 2021 6:45:08 GMT
My money is on goalposts being moved to 80 once you hit 70 fully vaccinated. From all I am seeing is Australia is not preparing to all to reopen and just kicking the can endlessly and hopes a situation occurs where you can reopen and not have COVID spread like wildfire and create a mass of hospitalizations and deaths. The point of lockdowns should have been to prepare for this, but it looks like the whole prepare for COVID spreading after reopening has been ignored completely. Even if vaccinations, breakthroughs and corner cases will flood hospitals as COVID spreads through vaccinated people just fine.
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Post by c on Sept 16, 2021 6:53:28 GMT
Crazy, wait time in Southern state in the ER now is measured in days due to the COVID cases. Just read about a kid who's appendix flared and went to the ER at first signs but ended up having to wait in the ER until it did finally rupture.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 16, 2021 8:05:09 GMT
My money is on goalposts being moved to 80 once you hit 70 fully vaccinated. From all I am seeing is Australia is not preparing to all to reopen and just kicking the can endlessly and hopes a situation occurs where you can reopen and not have COVID spread like wildfire and create a mass of hospitalizations and deaths. The point of lockdowns should have been to prepare for this, but it looks like the whole prepare for COVID spreading after reopening has been ignored completely. Even if vaccinations, breakthroughs and corner cases will flood hospitals as COVID spreads through vaccinated people just fine. The Victorian branch of the Australian Medical Association (AMA) has hit out at a "reckless" decision by Daniel Andrews to ease some restrictions when the first dose vaccinations reach 70%, wanting no change until 80% are 2 weeks beyond their second dose. He however doubled down on the agreement made at National Cabinet.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 16, 2021 17:00:28 GMT
I removed an inflammatory post just now. Let's keep it above the belts kids.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 16, 2021 18:07:21 GMT
I removed an inflammatory post just now. Let's keep it above the belts kids. Damnit, so curious who said what to whom now!
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 16, 2021 21:54:43 GMT
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Post by System on Sept 17, 2021 3:22:53 GMT
Only a matter of time before someone gets 86’d or there’s riots in the streets.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 17, 2021 3:30:22 GMT
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Post by System on Sept 17, 2021 4:51:05 GMT
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Post by nath45 on Sept 17, 2021 4:57:45 GMT
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