While I have been sick a few times over the years (a common thing for all parents with children in daycare) I've yet to ever get a positive result. Even when my whole office tested positive right before Christmas. Also there's been a umber of times my wife and kids have all been sick hut I haven't, despite being around them constantly. If I've been covid positive I may be one of the asymptomatic people.

Anywho, speedy recovery Baker man and anyone else who may be sick right now. It's always worse when you're sick in the summer. Just seems unfair.

Aug 15, 2022 0:08:09 GMT Baker said:

Finally joined Club Covid. Been feeling mildly under the weather since Thursday. Tested positive today.

Hope you feel better! 

Thanks Foos and pduh

So far I've been pretty lucky with symptoms more akin to allergies or a mild cold- Stuffy nose, nagging cough (the only genuinely annoying symptom), and slightly more lethargy than usual. No fever, vomiting, or diarrhea. Thursday was the worst day. Felt a little better Friday, but did take off work that day. Saturday & Sunday were more of the same. If anything I thought I was getting better. Finally took a home test I had lying around today. Was genuinely surprised by the positive result. Then I drove to the nearby Patient First for an official verdict from a medical professional. Prognosis Positive.

Take it Baker and try to go slow. May find your energy rapidly zapped without warning. The cough is annoying but will not be a serious issue. If you never pneumonia, it feels like someone is stabbing you when you cough. Also generally get a sense that something is SERIOUSLY not right as your body tries to tell you your 02 levels are tanking. Get either of those check in with a professional ASAP.

As always with being sick, fluids are your friend

Thanks for the advice c. Still lucking out compared to many others. Only difference between today and the past few is I've been drifting in and out of naps all day.

Aug 15, 2022 21:52:05 GMT Baker said:

Thanks for the advice c. Still lucking out compared to many others. Only difference between today and the past few is I've been drifting in and out of naps all day.

Nobody under the age of 50 who is otherwise healthy, is getting particularly sick with Omicron.
I hope you recover quick.

I notice all the narratives around vaccines is changing and they have found boosters to be practically pointless in terms of outcomes in all but the elderly.

Maybe a little too looney tunes but I sometimes think they used the act of getting them as data collecting. Like how much resistance would a mandate face and what % of the population just takes their medicine? Handy info to have... but I'm sure that wasn't the case.

For the record I'm triple jabbed and still wore my mask in stores like 70% of the time. I'm not going to speculate as to the efficacy of such things. All I know is I didn't even catch my usual one or two colds per year since masking up became a thing so I was fine with doing it.

Aug 15, 2022 23:53:19 GMT Baker said:

For the record I'm triple jabbed and still wore my mask in stores like 70% of the time. I'm not going to speculate as to the efficacy of such things. All I know is I didn't even catch my usual one or two colds per year since masking up became a thing so I was fine with doing it.

Corona aside, the lack of other illnesses the past 2+ years has been like a virtual health heaven.

I find it so odd people that people are surprised that a variant that evades vaccines makes vaccines less effective.  Like what do people think happens when a virus evolves to break immunity?  

Aug 16, 2022 12:00:27 GMT c said:

I find it so odd people that people are surprised that a variant that evades vaccines makes vaccines less effective.  Like what do people think happens when a virus evolves to break immunity?  

I find it odd that governments push mandates for vaccines that do jack for anyone under 70.
If I wasn't vaccinated, I couldn't go to work.

Vaccines have proven effective in reducing severity of the illness. It is not up for debate for anymore as there is a clear consensus that even with the new variants the severity is reduced when you compare the vaccinated and unvaccinated in respected scientific publications.

People claim that they are not effective then ignore the fact that boosters are needed to keep the effect of vaccine over time or the protection wanes, which we knew from the start.

Aug 17, 2022 12:54:44 GMT c said:

Vaccines have proven effective in reducing severity of the illness. It is not up for debate for anymore as there is a clear consensus that even with the new variants the severity is reduced when you compare the vaccinated and unvaccinated in respected scientific publications.

People claim that they are not effective then ignore the fact that boosters are needed to keep the effect of vaccine over time or the protection wanes, which we knew from the start.

It's massively up for debate.
I can bury you on statistics, but since Omicron the risk of pneumonia has gone.

When we had our last lockdown in Melbourne, the one that caused my business associate to kill himself... Every Covid death was reported breathlessly in the news. Nearly two years of harsh and cruel lockdowns and today 30 people died of Covid and not even masks are required. It's all such political wank.

US data shows differently. Still people dying here of pneumonia. Vaccination drops the risk heavily, but for the unvaccinated, it is still killing them. 500 dead everyday here still. 35k people hospitalized. Heatmaps of cases show it rages the strongest in places with lower vaccination rates.

And can post whatever statistics you want, but the medical journals have consensus that vaccination works to reduce severity of disease. Non-experts and fringe scientists are the only one claiming it is not effective.

Aug 20, 2022 14:15:15 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 17, 2022 12:54:44 GMT c said:

Vaccines have proven effective in reducing severity of the illness. It is not up for debate for anymore as there is a clear consensus that even with the new variants the severity is reduced when you compare the vaccinated and unvaccinated in respected scientific publications.

People claim that they are not effective then ignore the fact that boosters are needed to keep the effect of vaccine over time or the protection wanes, which we knew from the start.

It's massively up for debate.
I can bury you on statistics, but since Omicron the risk of pneumonia has gone.

When we had our last lockdown in Melbourne, the one that caused my business associate to kill himself... Every Covid death was reported breathlessly in the news. Nearly two years of harsh and cruel lockdowns and today 30 people died of Covid and not even masks are required. It's all such political wank.

This point was raised to me recently.

But think back, August 30, 2021* : 805 active cases. Minimal cases and zero deaths on that date.

*I just randomly picked an August date. Not like-for-like dates.

August 2022 : 23,000 active cases in Victoria today. Despite high vaccination rates.. 18 people have died in the last 24 hours in Victoria.

The only thing that really works is, isolation. Lockdowns work. As brutal as they are, they work by minimising human contact and the spread.

But to your point iNCY, Victoria wasn't vaxxed-mandated in August 2021 either. Only 1/3 had the jab at that point... so have they worked at reducing the spread? Maybe not.

1020 days in, I have finally been hit by covid.

Two nights ago, I barely slept. Then woke up to a massive headache I thought was likely due to the fact I didn't sleep. I've been doing a lot of travel for work - so assumed, as run-down. Honestly I haven't felt great in a while. So, yesterday afternoon the chills came, then the fever in the evening and it didn't matter how much Panadol and caffeine I consumed, nothing worked. Then it got the best of me to finally test as flu symptoms came this morning - and the test lit up like a Christmas tree in about a minute. I feel like I've been punched in the head.

Sept 2, 2022 0:52:09 GMT NATH45 said:

1020 days in, I have finally been hit by covid.

Two nights ago, I barely slept. Then woke up to a massive headache I thought was likely due to the fact I didn't sleep. I've been doing a lot of travel for work - so assumed, as run-down. Honestly I haven't felt great in a while. So, yesterday afternoon the chills came, then the fever in the evening and it didn't matter how much Panadol and caffeine I consumed, nothing worked. Then it got the best of me to finally test as flu symptoms came this morning - and the test lit up like a Christmas tree in about a minute. I feel like I've been punched in the head.

Welcome to the club, sounds like maybe you have Covid with a side of something else.
Rest up and recover quick, don't push yourself too hard.

Not gonna get formally tested but could not wake up yesterday, and today woke up with severe chills and a high fever. Awesome times. I fucking love getting lame versions of this damn virus repeatedly.

I don't always like what he has to say, but good on him for saying it even when it's unpopular.

Australia scraps mandatory Covid isolation rules from October 14, despite health warnings.

That's the headline, the final "restriction " will be lifted on October 14.

Is life finally back to normal?

It would seem more and more that the answer to the question "what's the difference between fact and conspiracy theory" is "2 years"

www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer-did-not-know-whether-covid-vaccine-stopped-transmission-before-rollout-executive-admits/news-story/f307f28f794e173ac017a62784fec414

So.... The government's of the world indemnified Pfizer and let them go nuts.
Multiple health officials in Australia saying there is currently little need for Covid vaccines in otherwise young and healthy children. I don't really care that I got jabbed, but very very glad my daughter's haven't.
If there is a more dangerous strain that emerges I will re evaluate.

I always found it interesting that since the vaccine mandates, COVID-19 has run wild and has potentially caused more damaged than at any point in 2020/21 despite being told the vax would ensure our protection against the spread of the virus.

As at 3pm on 31 December 2021, a total of 395,504 cases of COVID-19 had been reported in Australia, including 2,239 deaths.

As at 3pm on 05 September 2022, a total of 10,075,722 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in Australia, including 14,077 deaths. 

( www.health.gov.au/ ) 

So likely, lockdowns simply delayed the inevitable and vaccines likely did very little to curb the virus. 

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But the greater conspiracy is in, who profited the most during the pandemic? Oxfam.org reports - the world’s ten richest men more than doubled their fortunes from $700 billion to $1.5 trillion, at a rate of $15,000 per second or $1.3 billion a day, during the first two years of a pandemic - these Billionaires’ wealth had risen more since COVID-19 began than it has in the last 14 years. Tech companies Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet (Google) Amazon, Meta (Facebook) and Tesla made up the Top 6 companies to prosper the most during the first 2 years of the pandemic according to ft.com/ 

If there was any incentive to keep this pandemic going, there it is. 

Capitalism in action. When people are corporations and money is speech, disasters are a massively profitable to the wealthy. They can pay to influence policy that sees profits come to them. Funny how socialism gets blamed for the lockdowns. As far as I remember Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison were not socialists.

Also the vaccine shit is not up for debate Incy, research is closed on it. They did reduce spread. And they saved lives, which is why Australia has one of the lowest deaths per capita for COVID since inception. It may be high now, but you all did get the peaks like other countries got where hospitals just overflowed and internment graves had be used.



I still think my all time favorite part of the panic was the "JUST WASH YOUR HANDS" people that were insistent that you do not need masks, when early pandemic was the time that masks were needed the absolute most, and the wealthy were stockpiling them while the media they owned told everyone not to buy them to not shock the price.

Oct 12, 2022 12:11:16 GMT NATH45 said:

As at 3pm on 31 December 2021, a total of 395,504 cases of COVID-19 had been reported in Australia, including 2,239 deaths.

As at 3pm on 05 September 2022, a total of 10,075,722 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in Australia, including 14,077 deaths. 

By those numbers, death rates declined from 0.56% to 0.12%. That's a huge decrease despite 25x more cases.

Oct 12, 2022 16:36:17 GMT Gyro LC said:

Oct 12, 2022 12:11:16 GMT NATH45 said:

As at 3pm on 31 December 2021, a total of 395,504 cases of COVID-19 had been reported in Australia, including 2,239 deaths.

As at 3pm on 05 September 2022, a total of 10,075,722 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in Australia, including 14,077 deaths. 

By those numbers, death rates declined from 0.56% to 0.12%. That's a huge decrease despite 25x more cases.

That's probably the only positive way to look at it. The supply chain and team levels throughout Australia in 2022 - a different story.

The lockdowns may have shut businesses down, but the 2022 spread meant they didn't have the team even if they wanted to open.

And of course the impact on our hospitals and emergency services, when a Code Brown was declared in early 2022, less than 2 months after the vaccine mandates came law.

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And c, Scott Morrison wouldn't know the meaning of the word socialist.

Businesses were screwed either way. People act like if lockdown did not occur there Australia would have been the only country to not see major disruptions in commerce but very likely what you saw happen in every other country would have happened, once people to die, you would see mass quitting of jobs that involved being around people, and people shifting to having their goods delivered to their houses while they worked from home. Your neighborhood stores would not be able to endure the shift in consumer behavior lockdown or no lockdown.

Oct 12, 2022 16:36:17 GMT Gyro LC said:

Oct 12, 2022 12:11:16 GMT NATH45 said:

As at 3pm on 31 December 2021, a total of 395,504 cases of COVID-19 had been reported in Australia, including 2,239 deaths.

As at 3pm on 05 September 2022, a total of 10,075,722 cases of COVID-19 have been reported in Australia, including 14,077 deaths. 

By those numbers, death rates declined from 0.56% to 0.12%. That's a huge decrease despite 25x more cases.

Ha thank you. I was all prepared to go into a spiel about how absurd that take was.

Who the fuck cares about business? Business is not a person. It doesn't have feelings. People's lives should always take precedent over a concept, anyone who argues otherwise is an asshole.

Oct 12, 2022 21:12:14 GMT @admin said:

Oct 12, 2022 16:36:17 GMT Gyro LC said:

By those numbers, death rates declined from 0.56% to 0.12%. That's a huge decrease despite 25x more cases.

Ha thank you. I was all prepared to go into a spiel about how absurd that take was.

Who the fuck cares about business? Business is not a person. It doesn't have feelings. People's lives should always take precedent over a concept, anyone who argues otherwise is an asshole.

I think in this case "business" can mean, "how are people going to afford food/housing/etc if they can't work."

Oct 12, 2022 21:25:21 GMT Gyro LC said:

Oct 12, 2022 21:12:14 GMT @admin said:

Ha thank you. I was all prepared to go into a spiel about how absurd that take was.

Who the fuck cares about business? Business is not a person. It doesn't have feelings. People's lives should always take precedent over a concept, anyone who argues otherwise is an asshole.

I think in this case "business" can mean, "how are people going to afford food/housing/etc if they can't work."

It's weird...
One of the first rules of lifesaving is don't drown because you can't save anyone if you're dead.

If businesses fail you have mass unemployment and societies collapse.
I am not advocating that we should be like screw the elderly... However.

We could make the number of people who die on the roads zero if we lowered the speed limit everywhere to 20 miles an hour.
We could eliminate deaths due to second hand smoke by 100% banning cigarettes.

Not sure how we snookered ourselves with Covid policy where we pursued zero deaths at damn the consequences type attitudes.
I was all for lock downs until the elderly were vaccinated, once they were and vaccines were available we should have been 100% open and people make their own decisions.

It's crazy considering the vaccine was never tested in reducing or eliminating transmission.

People act like the lockdowns happens with zero costs. There's a very real chance that we are on the edge of the biggest financial crisis of all times. I would say to the wowsers, wait until this plays out then tell me if it was worth it.

I find it crazy that two years into this debate you still have trouble understanding that the COVID vaccines were mRNA antibody treatments with the primary goal of reducing death after contracting COVID sold to the people as vaccines because it is the closest thing we had to compare them too. And it was tested to examine how effective it was at reducing transmission and the number was about 30%.

And what is the causing the great collapse Australian COVID lockdowns or US fiscal policy? Because they are VERY different things, neither of which directly involve the UK, which is actually on the verge of economic collapse from Brexit.