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Post by System on Jul 22, 2021 15:48:46 GMT
I don't understand the anti-vax mentally, so many people will happily smoke and take drugs aware of the dangers, but a little vaccine is too much to handle. I love the irony of having to go out to the smokers area at work to tell people to social distance and sit down. 🤦🏻♀️
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Post by c on Jul 22, 2021 16:43:57 GMT
May not be many smokers left after this. Pretty much if you smoke and COVID hits the lungs you die or are set to get horrible scarring. Was talking with my pulmonologist about it as he said I picked a really lucky time to quit smoking and as even a year later my lungs may have still been at super risk if I got COVID to be just destroyed.
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Post by nath45 on Jul 22, 2021 21:49:54 GMT
I don't understand the anti-vax mentally, so many people will happily smoke and take drugs aware of the dangers, but a little vaccine is too much to handle. I love the irony of having to go out to the smokers area at work to tell people to social distance and sit down. 🤦🏻♀️ It's ok there's only been 32,427 cases in our great land since the beginning of the pandemic. With 25,788,215 people, some quick math.. that's 0.12% of the population who have tested positive. And a 0.003% mortality rate with 915 deaths. I'm not saying 'this is fine' but you also need to weigh it up with some common sense. Case in point, my part of the world has had zero cases all year. With the last case reported in October last year with a near 160,000 population in the greater area. So... So, despite killing themselves smoking, standing within 1 metres of each other with limited or zero local cases or zero close contacts probably isn't going to hurt.
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Post by iNCY on Jul 23, 2021 8:36:52 GMT
I got in trouble last year for suggesting Australian Covid outbreaks are directly related to the demographics in where the outbreaks occur. I stand by that, I think the repeated outbreaks in Victoria show us this.
In Sydney they got past an outbreak in the Syndey Beaches and the BBQ guy, but an outbreak in Western Sydney... They're cooked. I don't know if it is a failure to reach these communities, a break down in communication or whatever... But some of the high percentage immigrant communities flat out don't follow the health advice.
I also take back any suggestion that NSW was a better manager of the virus outbreaks than Vic. Now I see that they were just lucky, once Covid gets into a community that refuses to follow advice... You're cooked.
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Post by nath45 on Jul 23, 2021 12:24:35 GMT
I got in trouble last year for suggesting Australian Covid outbreaks are directly related to the demographics in where the outbreaks occur. I stand by that, I think the repeated outbreaks in Victoria show us this. In Sydney they got past an outbreak in the Syndey Beaches and the BBQ guy, but an outbreak in Western Sydney... They're cooked. I don't know if it is a failure to reach these communities, a break down in communication or whatever... But some of the high percentage immigrant communities flat out don't follow the health advice. You're absolutely right. At the centre of the recent Sydney outbreaks are : Fairfield - Middle Eastern 12%, Vietnamese 9.5%, Chinese 8.8%, Iraqi 8% ( 14.6% unemployment ) Liverpool - Indian 8.5% Aussie 8% ( 11.5% unemployment ) Canterbury-Bankstown - Lebanese 12.5%, Aussie 12%, Chinese 9.5% ( 8.2% unemployment ) This is all 2016 census data. The current national unemployment rate is 4.9%. Consider the high unemployment rate in each of these areas also. What do unemployed people do? Wander. ( now, let's not confuse 'active job seekers' with dirt-bags either, before someone surely get's offended ) dirt bags and deadbeats wander around. Thus, when they do the contact tracing these people have been in 10-20+ locations in just a few days and this is especially easy on foot in built up areas. www.facebook.com/kate.allingham.10/videos/1044908472916374Keep it classy NSW.
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Post by c on Jul 23, 2021 22:26:31 GMT
Delta ripping through kids summer camps in the US now. US still planning to open schools without masks because kids do not get COVID though. Schools start to open next week, so gonna be an interesting school year.
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Post by Ness on Jul 23, 2021 22:38:49 GMT
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Post by System on Jul 24, 2021 4:29:21 GMT
The signs people in Sydney would crack were pretty clear when they were having a meltdown after one week. People locked down in Victoria for months under a much harsher lockdown and just made it seem like an annoying inconvenience.
The people that were for the BLM protest last year but calling this protest irresponsible are massive hypocrites though, virus doesn’t care what your gathering for.
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Post by iNCY on Jul 24, 2021 5:34:16 GMT
The signs people in Sydney would crack were pretty clear when they were having a meltdown after one week. People locked down in Victoria for months under a much harsher lockdown and just made it seem like an annoying inconvenience. The people that were for the BLM protest last year but calling this protest irresponsible are massive hypocrites though, virus doesn’t care what your gathering for. I agree on the hypocrisy thing Not sure how this protest does anything but extend the lock down.
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Post by c on Jul 24, 2021 7:50:36 GMT
CDC may implement a nationwide mask mandate again because it is the only way to get unvaccinated people to wear a mask. If vaccinated people can forgo the masks, unvaccinated people lie to remain maskless then claim their imaginary HIPPA protection from disclosing whether or not they are vaccinated.
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Post by nath45 on Jul 24, 2021 9:14:01 GMT
The signs people in Sydney would crack were pretty clear when they were having a meltdown after one week. People locked down in Victoria for months under a much harsher lockdown and just made it seem like an annoying inconvenience. The people that were for the BLM protest last year but calling this protest irresponsible are massive hypocrites though, virus doesn’t care what your gathering for. I agree on the hypocrisy thing Not sure how this protest does anything but extend the lock down. Whether the protest is right or wrong, Daniel Andrews is a vengeful, spiteful prick behind that masquerade of incompetence. He threw us into further lockdowns before as punishment for breaking the rules, and damn Skippy he'll do it again. I understand the protesting, I understand the frustration, I'm living it, being a Victorian. But this movement needs a real leader, potentially business leaders unafraid to lead and demand compromise. As continually locking down a largely rural/regional 227,444 km² and 6.6 million people in Victoria can't be the endgame. I support locking down postcodes until contained, but I can't support locking down a regional centre 300kms away on the chance of it "might" show up.
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Post by iNCY on Jul 24, 2021 10:02:31 GMT
I agree on the hypocrisy thing Not sure how this protest does anything but extend the lock down. Whether the protest is right or wrong, Daniel Andrews is a vengeful, spiteful prick behind that masquerade of incompetence. He threw us into further lockdowns before as punishment for breaking the rules, and damn Skippy he'll do it again. I understand the protesting, I understand the frustration, I'm living it, being a Victorian. But this movement needs a real leader, potentially business leaders unafraid to lead and demand compromise. As continually locking down a largely rural/regional 227,444 km² and 6.6 million people in Victoria can't be the endgame. I support locking down postcodes until contained, but I can't support locking down a regional centre 300kms away on the chance of it "might" show up. I agree, I don't think zero covid is a valid approach with the way the Delta variant spreads.theres almost nobody sick and we are crippling the entire country. The lockdown was meant to be about levelling the curve, I don't think we ever agreed to this.
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Post by c on Jul 25, 2021 8:57:54 GMT
US offering pro-COVID cruises now out of Florida. Get your respiratory illness on today!!!
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Post by Ness on Jul 25, 2021 19:10:26 GMT
US offering pro-COVID cruises now out of Florida. Get your respiratory illness on today!!! One way to fix that pesky "no one having kids to fund ss/pensions!" if we kill off the boomers.
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Post by iNCY on Jul 26, 2021 3:05:28 GMT
In crappy news:
We have just crossed a threshold for a combined total of 6 months in lockdown. That's hard lockdown...
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Post by @admin on Jul 26, 2021 3:21:16 GMT
In crappy news: We have just crossed a threshold for a combined total of 6 months in lockdown. That's hard lockdown... I counted up all my WFH days for my tax return yesterday - 216!
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Post by nath45 on Jul 26, 2021 3:37:09 GMT
I love some of the narrative shift, with many leaders 'encouraging people to get the vaccine' and baffled as to why people aren't vaccinated... are you kidding?
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Post by @admin on Jul 26, 2021 4:48:07 GMT
I love some of the narrative shift, with many leaders 'encouraging people to get the vaccine' and baffled as to why people aren't vaccinated... are you kidding? It's because the PM of NSW obviously had some influence on the delayed introduction of lockdown, and now the reluctance to introduce any further restrictions. Gladys obviously has to skirt around that rather than put it on Morrison so instead has to look stupid saying she's following the health advice when that's not true.
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Post by System on Jul 26, 2021 5:15:02 GMT
I’ve encountered it first hand and have seen second hand accounts of so many Australians abusing workers over the mask mandate/QR check ins and other lockdown measures and my response was always take up with the government, not the people who have no say in it. Those same people are calling the protestors every name under the book. So they are either a coward for not protesting for something they feel so strongly about or they are complete hypocrites. Combined with some the vaccinated people that are acting like they saved world hunger and are such good people while campaigning for non-vaccinated people to be denied treatment if they have Covid. Smokers, morbidly obese, people that have caused them self harm are all able to access health care..as they should be able to. As nath45 said The anti-lockdown movement needs a clear leader but they need to distance themselves from the people that just reject all science and believe all sorts of crazy stuff and make it clear they understand that Covid is a problem but they believe the government have overstepped their boundaries. Also if I heard one more person on Saturday say “the case numbers are going to skyrocket tomorrow” I was going to lose it. The cases aren’t detected that day, could be from several days ago when the person got tested + the protestors aren’t going to be tested….I know they can pass it on to the police and other people, but i doubt any of the protestors need a test for their essential job in Sydney if they do get sick. My sister was one day away from getting the AZ vaccine because she is a support worker than they announced it wasn’t recommend for people under a certain age due to blood cots so she couldn’t get it. Now they are saying people can have it they want, “she’ll be right” and wonder why Australians are waiting for Pfizer. I know I’m obviously not going to encounter the elderly people staying at home but the majority of elder people I deal with have acted like complete cunts this entire pandemic and either don’t care or have a Karen about someone not wearing a mask while they are rocking a chin diaper and get offended when you tell them to pull it up. So the “stay at home, save the elderly” message is ironic.
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Post by c on Jul 26, 2021 18:01:55 GMT
For Americans, long COVID has been added to the ADA disorder list so disability becomes an option.
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Post by Ness on Jul 26, 2021 20:04:48 GMT
So there's really no incentive to get the vaccine then?
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Post by iNCY on Jul 26, 2021 20:27:18 GMT
I love some of the narrative shift, with many leaders 'encouraging people to get the vaccine' and baffled as to why people aren't vaccinated... are you kidding? This is a bug part of the problem, people are very unlikely to get Covid, and even less likely to die of it. What then is the driver for people to get the jab when the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are treated exactly the same? Create some distinctions in the treatment of both groups and you won't have such a hard job getting people to sign up. The second point is the endless scare mongering of the media on AZ. Every adverse reaction leads the news bulletin with the papers running headlines about "Vax Deaths" The media bleat about cases, hyperventilate about the vaccine complications, then breathlessly tell us that vaccine hesitancy is a thing. Therese Rain tried to pin some government conspiracy to push AZ on personal interests of the government members, when it's the only not-for-profit vaccine. I will be shocked if the political persuasions of ATAGI didn't factor in their advice on AZ. What a nonsense to elmeasure the risk of a vaccine against a society where the risk doesn't exist due to draconian and expensive Lockdowns to maintain zero covid.
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Post by nath45 on Jul 26, 2021 21:38:55 GMT
I love some of the narrative shift, with many leaders 'encouraging people to get the vaccine' and baffled as to why people aren't vaccinated... are you kidding? This is a bug part of the problem, people are very unlikely to get Covid, and even less likely to die of it. What then is the driver for people to get the jab when the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are treated exactly the same? Create some distinctions in the treatment of both groups and you won't have such a hard job getting people to sign up. The second point is the endless scare mongering of the media on AZ. Every adverse reaction leads the news bulletin with the papers running headlines about "Vax Deaths" The media bleat about cases, hyperventilate about the vaccine complications, then breathlessly tell us that vaccine hesitancy is a thing. Therese Rain tried to pin some government conspiracy to push AZ on personal interests of the government members, when it's the only not-for-profit vaccine. I will be shocked if the political persuasions of ATAGI didn't factor in their advice on AZ. What a nonsense to elmeasure the risk of a vaccine against a society where the risk doesn't exist due to draconian and expensive Lockdowns to maintain zero covid. " not enough vaccines.. I know, we'll give them away anyway. " - Australia. m.timesofindia.com/world/rest-of-world/australia-to-give-1-5-mln-doses-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-vietnam/amp_articleshow/84370438.cms
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Post by c on Jul 27, 2021 0:38:44 GMT
GOP in the US got their wish a probe into the origins of COVID started here. Or well a probe into how the virus got into the US and how it became so widespread. Turns out Trump CDC was not entirely truthful with Americans on a lot of things and the official reports were edited before they were released on the dangers.
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Post by @admin on Jul 27, 2021 1:06:00 GMT
Yes we definitely shouldn't be helping our neighbours where the death rate is spiking.
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Post by iNCY on Jul 27, 2021 7:11:05 GMT
This is a bug part of the problem, people are very unlikely to get Covid, and even less likely to die of it. What then is the driver for people to get the jab when the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are treated exactly the same? Create some distinctions in the treatment of both groups and you won't have such a hard job getting people to sign up. The second point is the endless scare mongering of the media on AZ. Every adverse reaction leads the news bulletin with the papers running headlines about "Vax Deaths" The media bleat about cases, hyperventilate about the vaccine complications, then breathlessly tell us that vaccine hesitancy is a thing. Therese Rain tried to pin some government conspiracy to push AZ on personal interests of the government members, when it's the only not-for-profit vaccine. I will be shocked if the political persuasions of ATAGI didn't factor in their advice on AZ. What a nonsense to elmeasure the risk of a vaccine against a society where the risk doesn't exist due to draconian and expensive Lockdowns to maintain zero covid. " not enough vaccines.. I know, we'll give them away anyway. " - Australia. m.timesofindia.com/world/rest-of-world/australia-to-give-1-5-mln-doses-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-vietnam/amp_articleshow/84370438.cmsNobody will take AZ now that the media has destroyed its reputation. Might as well give it away and stay in this locked down hell hole forever
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Post by nath45 on Jul 27, 2021 10:18:36 GMT
Nobody will take AZ now that the media has destroyed its reputation. Might as well give it away and stay in this locked down hell hole forever The lockdown is lifted, didn't you hear? You can't visit anyone and you have to wear a mask all the time inside and outside and there's a travel bubble.... but its over. Oh Wait...
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Post by System on Jul 27, 2021 16:11:17 GMT
Nobody will take AZ now that the media has destroyed its reputation. Might as well give it away and stay in this locked down hell hole forever It’s like giving your brother the third party controllers
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Post by Ness on Jul 27, 2021 16:39:14 GMT
Nobody will take AZ now that the media has destroyed its reputation. Might as well give it away and stay in this locked down hell hole forever It’s like giving your brother the third party controllers If you were visiting my house you got the madcatz. These are laws.
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Post by System on Jul 27, 2021 17:07:14 GMT
It’s like giving your brother the third party controllers If you were visiting my house you got the madcatz. These are laws. Exact brand I was about to reference but now they make good quality arcade sticks so avoided it in case someone made that point 😂
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