Mar 27, 2020 19:17:05 GMT mikec said:

Mar 27, 2020 16:03:57 GMT thereallt said:

Maybe, but Biden does have a pattern of inappropriate behavior toward women.  As if now, there really isn't enough to go forward, but if she can produce some more corroboration it's definitely something to keep an eye on

Is it though? Any more than the crazy high number of women that say similar things about his general election opponent?

I’m not going to say it’s not important, it is. And Democrats rely on women voters more than Republicans. But when your options are two creepy old guys do you really get that invested in how creepy they both are?

Biden def has serious issues with touching people and personal space.  I am not denying that at all.  I just do not think this latest claim from the girl is true.  I think he touched her neck and she was upset that no one took that seriously so she made up this second one that cannot be dismissed as most Biden bad touch claims are.  I do not think he is being abusive though as some claim, he is just REALLY out of touch.  That is a problem running 80 year olds for president though.  

And LT I seriously doubt there will be any more evidence or corroboration on this.  She would have led with that after amplifying her claim.  It has been a year since her first claim and all that came to support her was Biden's 90's office had classic 80's sexism to it.

Mar 28, 2020 13:15:58 GMT c said:

Mar 27, 2020 19:17:05 GMT mikec said:

Is it though? Any more than the crazy high number of women that say similar things about his general election opponent?

I’m not going to say it’s not important, it is. And Democrats rely on women voters more than Republicans. But when your options are two creepy old guys do you really get that invested in how creepy they both are?

Biden def has serious issues with touching people and personal space.  I am not denying that at all.  I just do not think this latest claim from the girl is true.  I think he touched her neck and she was upset that no one took that seriously so she made up this second one that cannot be dismissed as most Biden bad touch claims are.  I do not think he is being abusive though as some claim, he is just REALLY out of touch.  That is a problem running 80 year olds for president though.  

And LT I seriously doubt there will be any more evidence or corroboration on this.  She would have led with that after amplifying her claim.  It has been a year since her first claim and all that came to support her was Biden's 90's office had classic 80's sexism to it.

He seems to enjoy sniffing girls a little too much for my liking.

Trump announced today that the "inspector general" appointed to oversee the half trillion dollars that congress allocated to US businesses would not have to disclose any information about the money to congress. Gonna be very interested to see where that money went when Trump leaves office and can no longer claim immunity.

Mar 28, 2020 13:15:58 GMT c said:

Mar 27, 2020 19:17:05 GMT mikec said:

Is it though? Any more than the crazy high number of women that say similar things about his general election opponent?

I’m not going to say it’s not important, it is. And Democrats rely on women voters more than Republicans. But when your options are two creepy old guys do you really get that invested in how creepy they both are?

Biden def has serious issues with touching people and personal space.  I am not denying that at all.  I just do not think this latest claim from the girl is true.  I think he touched her neck and she was upset that no one took that seriously so she made up this second one that cannot be dismissed as most Biden bad touch claims are.  I do not think he is being abusive though as some claim, he is just REALLY out of touch.  That is a problem running 80 year olds for president though.  

And LT I seriously doubt there will be any more evidence or corroboration on this.  She would have led with that after amplifying her claim.  It has been a year since her first claim and all that came to support her was Biden's 90's office had classic 80's sexism to it.

+1(ish)

There's a vast vast world of difference between 'dude hugs people a little too long' and 'he pushed me against the wall and fingerbanged me.'

That said, she did work at Biden's office - hired in '92 and left in '93 nine months later, so the timeline does check out. You usually don't just leave a job that quickly, especially if you're trying to start your professional career.

That said that said, like c said she's changed her story significantly. That doesn't make her non-credible, but I am wondering why she started with 'he put his hand on my shoulder and his fingers on my neck' and now, a year later, changed it to 'he ran his fingers up my dress.' I'm sure therapists would have something to say about why a sexual assault victim would start with a very mild claim and then escalate it to the big one, but I'm sort of curious.

To me it absolutely makes her non-credible. She went from something that was inline with a real story to something out of hollywood, which generally are made up. It is the biggest myth that there is no way to determine if people are lying about rape or not. Researchers have studied real and false narratives and they are very different in tone, certainty, word use and even way they are told. We should be at the point where machine learning can differentiate the two. As more and more false narratives come out with the MeToo movement making questioning stories a bad idea, the differences seem to becoming even more stark as they contrast so much to what women publically reported. The biggest take away from the research is rape is never the way it is portrayed by the media, yet almost all false narratives follow the media portrayal (because that is all the person knows, having not been exposed to real rape).


Fun news today - Trump said on national TV if people could vote from home Republicans would never be elected again. The party opposes people voting because in general, people do not vote for Republican as a whole. Only the small minority of those who go out of their way to vote support them.

Mar 31, 2020 2:23:56 GMT c said:

Fun news today - Trump said on national TV if people could vote from home Republicans would never be elected again. The party opposes people voting because in general, people do not vote for Republican as a whole. Only the small minority of those who go out of their way to vote support them.

In my country, if we had non-compulsory voting we would only get Conservative governments.
It's not a reflection on the the will of the people, more a reflection on their: a.) Laziness b.) Understanding

The Welfare mentality has gone out of control... On both sides. 
Whether you talk tax cuts or gimmie's it is a dangerous game as we have ditched straws and are just throwing bales on the camels back.
I saw an interesting piece a couple of years around that as women become more independent from men, they seek instead a provider in government, which is why political mainstream is drifting further left.


It should trouble everyone that the West is no longer has any aspiration.

Voting from home is an awful idea anyways.

Mar 31, 2020 14:48:37 GMT KING KID said:

Voting from home is an awful idea anyways.

It's actually not, the idea that we cannot tether a government ID to a cell phone number shows how arcane the government's grasp of technology actually is.


One of the few benefits of the Coronavirus is it is dragging society to changes that we should have had years ago, but are being forced to out of necessity.
I am going to make a thread about it.

Mar 31, 2020 14:48:37 GMT KING KID said:

Voting from home is an awful idea anyways.

I disagree but am curious. Why is it an awful idea to you?

Mar 31, 2020 17:17:13 GMT 🤯 said:

Mar 31, 2020 14:48:37 GMT KING KID said:

Voting from home is an awful idea anyways.

I disagree but am curious. Why is it an awful idea to you?

Youth don't turn out in person.

Mar 31, 2020 19:35:56 GMT @ness said:

Mar 31, 2020 17:17:13 GMT 🤯 said:

I disagree but am curious. Why is it an awful idea to you?

Youth don't turn out in person.

Still unclear. So he's just against young voters? I'm OK with raising the voting age, if that's the issue. If you have to be 25 to rent a car, seems like you shouldn't be able to vote before you can do that. If the trade off is doing away with the selective service draft age, so be it.

Mar 31, 2020 20:04:03 GMT 🤯 said:

Mar 31, 2020 19:35:56 GMT @ness said:

Youth don't turn out in person.

Still unclear. So he's just against young voters? I'm OK with raising the voting age, if that's the issue. If you have to be 25 to rent a car, seems like you shouldn't be able to vote before you can do that. If the trade off is doing away with the selective service draft age, so be it.

I don't know why Kid's against it, but certainly resirtciting the means of voting benefits right candidates. Youth lean left, so mail in would probably benefit them.

I wouldn't mind changing things with voting. Instead of age simply if you're a tax payer. You pay into the system you get a say. You don't, get fucked.

Mar 31, 2020 20:08:12 GMT @ness said:

Mar 31, 2020 20:04:03 GMT 🤯 said:

Still unclear. So he's just against young voters? I'm OK with raising the voting age, if that's the issue. If you have to be 25 to rent a car, seems like you shouldn't be able to vote before you can do that. If the trade off is doing away with the selective service draft age, so be it.

I don't know why Kid's against it, but certainly resirtciting the means of voting benefits right candidates. Youth lean left, so mail in would probably benefit them.

I wouldn't mind changing things with voting. Instead of age simply if you're a tax payer. You pay into the system you get a say. You don't, get fucked.

I'm OK with that concept too. I used to be and might still be a fan of the Starship Trooper idea of you gotta put in some form of federal service to earn the franchise. But that seems way more complicated to implement.

Considering the embarrassingly low voter turnout for elections at all levels, I'm a big proponent for making voting as easy and accessible as possible. Hell, considering Twitter is protected for life already because of our Prez, might as well just do elections via Twitter poll.

Mar 31, 2020 20:11:05 GMT 🤯 said:

Mar 31, 2020 20:08:12 GMT @ness said:

I don't know why Kid's against it, but certainly resirtciting the means of voting benefits right candidates. Youth lean left, so mail in would probably benefit them.

I wouldn't mind changing things with voting. Instead of age simply if you're a tax payer. You pay into the system you get a say. You don't, get fucked.

I'm OK with that concept too. I used to be and might still be a fan of the Starship Trooper idea of you gotta put in some form of federal service to earn the franchise. But that seems way more complicated to implement.

Considering the embarrassingly low voter turnout for elections at all levels, I'm a big proponent for making voting as easy and accessible as possible. Hell, considering Twitter is protected for life already because of our Prez, might as well just do elections via Twitter poll.

Honestly that Tuesday should be a holiday where regular business is closed to make way for voting. It's easy for old boomers to vote, they ain't working.

Mar 31, 2020 20:13:36 GMT @ness said:

Mar 31, 2020 20:11:05 GMT 🤯 said:

I'm OK with that concept too. I used to be and might still be a fan of the Starship Trooper idea of you gotta put in some form of federal service to earn the franchise. But that seems way more complicated to implement.

Considering the embarrassingly low voter turnout for elections at all levels, I'm a big proponent for making voting as easy and accessible as possible. Hell, considering Twitter is protected for life already because of our Prez, might as well just do elections via Twitter poll.

Honestly that Tuesday should be a holiday where regular business is closed to make way for voting. It's easy for old boomers to vote, they ain't working.

This is another thing that has always floored me. I would think election day if nothing else ought to be akin to jury duty and the census... You're obligated to participate, and your employer (if you have one) is obligated to enable your participation (like in the case of jury duty).

Looks like I got it right on the Russian asset theory with the Biden accuser. Someone did a DEEP dive into her posts over the last 10 years and it is clear that something is going on.  Her devotion to Putin should have raised red flags.  But you know the GOP claims there will be no interference in the election and surely Russia has no interest in keeping the one guy who seems to like them in office.

medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460?fbclid=IwAR3YVa0e1lc5W-RhUFEhoou6xrq95TEf4D74O0J7IUdZgUgWfitypuxuV54

I don’t think apps should be the way to vote for your fucking President. Jobs have to let you go vote, but that could also mean you have to wake your lazy ass up a little earlier then usual and run to the nearest voting site and vote. People are just too fucking lazy and we shouldn’t be rewarding that with an app to vote from home on. There’s enough issues with people thinking elections get rigged and shit. Imagine the field day hackers would have with this shit.

If you care enough to go vote, get your ass up and go vote. I took off last Election Day (WEEKS IN ADVANCE!) because I was so confident Trump would win and I wanted to throat fuck everyone on this board who shit on me for weeks and months beforehand and my cock was very pleased afterwards. I made sure I got out to vote even though my vote means shit because NY will always go Democrat. Still had to do it because that’s how much I cared for Trump winning presidency. It’s all about how much you care and who you believe in.

I fully believe that this COVID is either going to win or lose this election for Trump. I am horrified at the thought of Joe Biden as President too. It’s a toss up right now which is ridiculous because Joe Biden is absolutely fucking awful. Not Hillary awful, but close enough where the thought is horrifying.

So basically, do what I’m doing and go fucking vote. TRUMP 2020.

Mar 31, 2020 14:04:23 GMT iNCY said:

The Welfare mentality has gone out of control... On both sides. 
Whether you talk tax cuts or gimmie's it is a dangerous game as we have ditched straws and are just throwing bales on the camels back.
I saw an interesting piece a couple of years around that as women become more independent from men, they seek instead a provider in government, which is why political mainstream is drifting further left.


It should trouble everyone that the West is no longer has any aspiration.

The notion women are replacing men with the government is some of the biggest bullshit I ever heard and completely out of touch with reality.  Far more complex issue of why single mothers are stuck on welfare, but the most notable being childcare costs make it so you cannot afford to work and pay rent and childcare as a single mother working minimum wage anyway.  Need at least two jobs but the second you or the child gets sick you lose one of the jobs for needing time off.  This is not seeking a male provider but being put in a situation where there is no structured path to get out of it, so some just go all in and stop working.  Provide daycare to single mothers who work 30 hours a week and most would work over taking a government check as those government checks are at most equal to two weeks of work a month.  Get twice as much money working.  But welfare in the US is all or nothing.  Either you take it and stay dirt poor or try to work and lose all the benefits, with one mishap forcing you to start the entire process of benefits again. 

We need a middle ground.  And we need to stop treating this as people lazy or scammers.  Sure some are lazy, but the vast majority are not.  Majority of welfare fraud in the US is not from people getting benefits but housing groups and medical groups taking money.  People keep claiming shit like illegals get all these benefits but it is mostly BS.  Able bodied people rarely get long term benefits.  You do not get benefits without a social security card.  And for addicts it costs the state less to give them benefits and send them to the streets than to pay for a halfway house or supervised housing.  People devote their lives to these systems and optimizing them, but it seems everyone is an expert on the system, despite never having to actually use the system at anypoint in their lives to learn how it does or not does not.  

Edit:

I find it hilarious people are confident enough to trust the internet with thousands of dollars in when they file taxes online but not with their vote.  Almost all taxes are filed now electronically, both from your job and when you file the taxes and it is generally considered secure.  But people want to claim this could never work for things like voting.  It is all BS.  Demographic information shows clearly that if people could vote easier those extra votes will be overwhelmingly for democrats.  Same with forcing people to vote, giving paid time off to vote, longer hours to vote, absentee voting for any reason, early voting ect.  Make voting easier in anyway and you get a higher percentage of democrats voting.  It has nothing to do with security and everything to do with a minority party holding onto power by any means they can.  


Most models show almost no way for Trump to win the election against a component opponent.  But they do not take into account the GOP actively leaving campaigning to allow foreign interference.  The real concern should be how much will Trump wreck the US to try to get re-elected.  I honestly expected a surprise first strike at Iran or North Korea in August.  War wins elections for the GOP, and Trump will get despite the longer the US is shutdown.  

Eh, still disagree with KING KID.

c ultimately wins this with the trump all point: money matters way more than someone's vote, so should be no problem voting online considering both how recklessly people through their money around and but also the secure stuff they do with their money too online.

The issue with taxes, is your taxes when you file have all of the information you need to steal an ID completely. SSN, DOB, Tax ID, address, email, phone number, bank account number, bank routing info, ect. And people are fine with this and trust the government to do it securely. With that lot of info, very little you cannot do. Easily enough to start to replace non-photo vital docs, which then get you photo based vital docs. People will place this trust in the government, but not enough to determine who they vote for, even though for most people it matters very little. The people most against online voting are in states that go 70% or higher to one party routinely it seems anyway.  They also are people against popular vote determining president, because again, demographics show that more and more popular vote favors democrats.  

I wasn’t trying to get you to agree with me 🤯, but giving my input. As for c, I find you to be an educated person but you come off as a conspiracy nut as well. Do you know why I’ve never been ‘poor’ or on welfare? Because my parents came into this country and worked their asses off to buy two homes. The moment I turned 19, I became an EMT and got a job instead of majoring in liberal arts and expecting to become something from that. Do I make bad decisions with my money? Yes. I gamble a lot and now I’m into investing which is getting very boring BUT that’s for another time. But I have the luxury to do that because I work my ass off to make sure I can. I was gifted a house and I’m well aware how lucky I am to have that but even before that when I was paying rent and basically disowned from my family, I worked 80 hour weeks to make sure I can support myself and my wife. I don’t got time for no fucking excuses from anyone about being poor unless they got a disease that makes them unable to work. And I mean a legit disease, not morbid obesity.

I don’t like laziness. I’m sorry. I just can’t sympathize with lazy people. Which is another reason why I am absolutely against voting from home. That’s about as lazy and gross as it gets. You think I’m scared about lazy college kids getting to vote from my app right? Sure. Let’s say that’s another reason. Why the fuck should the president be chosen because some lazy dickheads don’t feel like getting off their couches. They shouldn’t have an opinion on who is president if they don’t have the energy in their life to get the fuck off the XBox, go outside and vote. Fuck them.

Apr 1, 2020 1:06:20 GMT KING KID said:

I wasn’t trying to get you to agree with me 🤯, but giving my input. As for c, I find you to be an educated person but you come off as a conspiracy nut as well. Do you know why I’ve never been ‘poor’ or on welfare? Because my parents came into this country and worked their asses off to buy two homes. The moment I turned 19, I became an EMT and got a job instead of majoring in liberal arts and expecting to become something from that. Do I make bad decisions with my money? Yes. I gamble a lot and now I’m into investing which is getting very boring BUT that’s for another time. But I have the luxury to do that because I work my ass off to make sure I can. I was gifted a house and I’m well aware how lucky I am to have that but even before that when I was paying rent and basically disowned from my family, I worked 80 hour weeks to make sure I can support myself and my wife. I don’t got time for no fucking excuses from anyone about being poor unless they got a disease that makes them unable to work. And I mean a legit disease, not morbid obesity.

I don’t like laziness. I’m sorry. I just can’t sympathize with lazy people. Which is another reason why I am absolutely against voting from home. That’s about as lazy and gross as it gets. You think I’m scared about lazy college kids getting to vote from my app right? Sure. Let’s say that’s another reason. Why the fuck should the president be chosen because some lazy dickheads don’t feel like getting off their couches. They shouldn’t have an opinion on who is president if they don’t have the energy in their life to get the fuck off the XBox, go outside and vote. Fuck them.

No sweat brother, sorry if I came off in a bad way there.

Generally I think I agree with the premise that, in an ideal world, the power of a vote should be something so serious and real that it should be earned. That's why I've always liked the Starship Troopers concept. That's also why I feel like a more mature age makes sense too.

Honestly, driver's licenses and gun permits ought to be similar in that way. More training, classes, etc. so you full on understand the burden of what you're getting into.

Hearing about the hoops folks have to jump through to earn their citizenship here puts the vast majority of natural Americans (for lack of a better, more concise way to put it) to shame. They have to study and learn so much. That's what we should all have to do to wield the power to vote.*

*Speaking of power to vote, I really feel like popular vote ought to carry the day these days. The electoral college seems flawed and almost non-applicable anymore.

But once folks have gone through all that hoopla to earn the power of the vote, the process of voting should be as easy and convenient as possible. Or at most, as easy/cumbersome as filing my taxes via TurboTax.

Why should the president who is elected not be the most popular person for the job, in a popular vote? And it goes beyond just ease of voting as you can make it harder for people to vote, which is very common in gerrymandered areas.

And I get the whole hard work narrative but you know, that is not everyone's experience. You can do everything right and had shit genes, an accident, or just come from absolute shit and not escape. I notice in all these stories if how hard people work they never started on the bottom, never had a serious health or mental health issue to fight with and usually are gifted various items to make their journey easier. You know who does not have this stuff? The people on welfare. This whole they are just lazy reeks of having no understanding of what living in poverty is actually like.

As for Trump first striking Iran or Korea to win the reelection both countries have crossed lines he said not cross repeatedly. Korea shooting the rockets and Iran we just attacked a few months back. Given how little Bush Jr made the case for Iraq on, a case against either of those countries with the warhawks surroundings Trump will seem at least credible given both ignored several warnings we issued. Or you can believe Trump will leave office not trying everything he possibly could to start a new dynasty. He needs the economy or a war to get reelected. No Republican has won reelection without either one.

And he had economy until this virus happened.

Honestly I mostly think Trump will win again because Americans are complacent and lazy. Once we're forced to get a new guy in after 8 years, everyone just wants to rest easy and not really think. So it's almost a two-term lock. Bush Senior was a fluke or anomaly, I guess. No one really shakes shit up... A single term seems about as far fetched as an impeachment or resignation. Honestly, assassination seems next most likely after a third term, which seems second most likely after two term default.

Now that corporations got paid Mitch says no more stimulus packages. Apparently there is no money to repair the US's infrastructure and have jobs waiting to replace businesses that fail.

Apr 1, 2020 2:17:02 GMT c said:

And I get the whole hard work narrative but you know, that is not everyone's experience. You can do everything right and had shit genes, an accident, or just come from absolute shit and not escape. I notice in all these stories if how hard people work they never started on the bottom, never had a serious health or mental health issue to fight with and usually are gifted various items to make their journey easier. You know who does not have this stuff? The people on welfare. This whole they are just lazy reeks of having no understanding of what living in poverty is actually like.

And in a perfect world, everyone can win a gold medal at the Olympics, but it is not the reality.
I really feel this quote:



It is not possible for everyone to have the best of everything, resources are finite.
I absolutely believe in a living wage and that people should be paid a wage that allows a family to feed and clothe itself.
Problem is that it will never happen, not because of governments, but because people are tight asses and would rather buy something from China for 90 cents than they would something in the USA for $1.30.
Corporations don't even really have a choice when it comes to off shoring any more, people are going to go with the cheaper price.
So we have the paradox of everyone wanting to be paid well but spend nothing, the equation simply doesn't balance.
And if everyone got paid more, prices rise and nobody is really ahead of the curve, because resources are finite.

So we have to draw a line in the sand... On the news here people are bitching about being forced to isolate for 14 days in a 5-Star hotel that the government is paying for, shows you where we have got to.
So what do people have a right to? It's hugely subjective, but I would say you had the rights to:

• Personal Safety
• High School Diploma
• Healthcare
• Opportunity for Employment
• Food
• Shelter

Apart from that I really don't see that we have some intrinsic right to something?
Part of the human condition is striving to improve ourselves and better our standing.

^^^^

Which is why I can not stand liberals and lazy people. Because all they do is whine and moan and expect everything handed to them. Fuck that noise.

Wasn't it a liberal president who led the Greatest Generation to beat Nazi ass to free Europe while also kicking butt in the Pacific to bootstrap ourselves out of the Great Depression?

Apr 1, 2020 13:02:24 GMT 🤯 said:

Wasn't it a liberal president who led the Greatest Generation to beat Nazi ass to free Europe while also kicking butt in the Pacific to bootstrap ourselves out of the Great Depression?

You mean the US President that sat on his ass until Japan blew up a huge chunk of his forces in one of the greatest acts of gross incompetence in military history?