Dec 31, 2017 20:13:40 GMT @ness said:

I'm surprised WWE fans even know there are other companies. That's impressive in itself...

To be clear and elaborate on my previous post, I'm a WWF fan. Fuck WWE (aside from 2002-2003 SD!). Can the one organization only rule apply even within a single organization's history?

I'm with Emperor on irish whips. I don't mind the regular irish whip, and have always just chalked them up to 'wrestling logic,' but huge guys getting irish whipped by small fellows does bother me. And Chris Benoit made the irish whips of every other wrestler look lame. Jamie Noble also had a good irish whip. Those two really put some umph into their irish whips.

Did you know the irish whip was once a dreaded move in and of itself? Like the irish whip alone could end a match, and likely generated a big pop once upon a time. I think it was Danno O'Mahoney who invented/popularized it way back in the '30s. It was his big move.

Some clever person with a lot of time on their hands needs to do a WON parody from back in the day.

Like 1935: Best Wrestling Move- The Irish Whip

Then have a bunch of 'readers' debate the merits of the irish whip with most going on about what a cool, innovative, groundbreaking move it is while a vocal minority screams about how the Irish Whip is KILLIN' THE BUSINESS~!

Johnny Gargano's finisher is called the "Gargano Escape". It's a submission hold. Escape is the word you use when one gets out of a submission hold. Why is his submission finisher called an escape?!?

Jan 1, 2018 1:55:03 GMT Emperor said:

Johnny Gargano's finisher is called the "Gargano Escape". It's a submission hold. Escape is the word you use when one gets out of a submission hold. Why is his submission finisher called an escape?!?

Probably because whoever he puts in it can’t escape/get out of it. 

Then you'd call it the "Gargano No Escape", which is still a stupid name.

The lack of characters in today's wrestling has bothered me for quite some time now, and Brian Zane touches on this issue perfectly.

The overdone clapping at the start of a match is annoying most of the time.

I really dislike when the announcers chastize a wrestler for not going a pin after a high impact move. They never present the counter-argument that maybe said wrestler doesn't feel like they have weakened their opponent sufficiently enough.  

Jan 20, 2018 2:30:12 GMT Ed said:

I really dislike when the announcers chastize a wrestler for not going a pin after a high impact move. They never present the counter-argument that maybe said wrestler doesn't feel like they have weakened their opponent sufficiently enough.  

HOOK THE LEG!!!

Jan 1, 2018 2:16:44 GMT Emperor said:

Then you'd call it the "Gargano No Escape", which is still a stupid name.

Surely it would work if pronounced with emphasise on the no in Gargano.

Jan 20, 2018 16:32:36 GMT Strobe said:

Jan 1, 2018 2:16:44 GMT Emperor said:

Then you'd call it the "Gargano No Escape", which is still a stupid name.

Surely it would work if pronounced with emphasise on the no in Gargano.

It does. It's called the GargaNo Escape, but the "n" is just lower case so perhaps that slipped past Mr Emperor,'s radar. If so, then a peeve has hopefully been put to sleep for a fellow PWer/ite/maniac  :woot:

Jan 1, 2018 2:16:44 GMT Emperor said:

Then you'd call it the "Gargano No Escape", which is still a stupid name.

I believe it is one of those lame wrestling puns. GargaNO Escape. And of course I can't be the first to point it out. Friggin government shutdown strikes again.

I'm in the midst of watching the RVD ECW TV title DVD. 1 thing I've noticed about the promotions of the past like ECW, Mid-South, and WCW is the lack of emphasis on the details of title reigns. They just give a general summary without alluding to the number of defenses.

I never thought about the GargaNO Escape in that way. I still maintain it's a stupid name.

It is...but am I the only one who enjoys wrestlers giving their moves silly names?

Arguably the most well known finisher in the world right now is called the Attitude Adjustment (formerly known as the FU).

I will take a cringey pun over a lazy Wrestler Name + Bomb/Slam/Etc.

Shit like Glorious DDT is just uninspired.

Agreed, but I'd rather both than just the generic move name.

Even the Dudley Dawg was better than Slice Bread #2.

Jan 24, 2018 14:15:14 GMT Big Pete said:

Agreed, but I'd rather both than just the generic move name.

Even the Dudley Dawg was better than Slice Bread #2.

I agree and disagree to an extent.

I feel like we sometimes lose sight of how awesome the "generic" move name is.

Powerbomb, piledriver, chokeslam, moonsault, and DDT are pretty fucking awesome in their own right.

Even roundhouse, haymaker, and clothesline (and lariat, if you're one of *those* people) sound kinda cool.

Jan 24, 2018 14:00:01 GMT @ness said:

I will take a cringey pun over a lazy Wrestler Name + Bomb/Slam/Etc.

Uninspired maybe, but it's simple and more often than not effective. Stone Cold Stunner? Awesome. Vader Bomb? Badass. Doctor Bomb? Also badass. Even the subpar ones, like the Asuka Lock and the Glorious DDT sound pretty decent. The puns have a much higher failure rate. For every good pun (Rockbottom, Lethal Injection), there's several bad ones (Gargano Escape, Zig Zag, Banks Statement, Cross Rhodes, Angle Lock).

I think the best and most consistent finisher naming is one that fit the gimmick. Tombstone Piledriver. Olympic Slam (better than Angle Slam, which is pretty good in itself). Million Dollar Dream. Sharpshooter. Shattered Dreams. Rainmaker.

PI has a point in that you can't go wrong with generic move name either. As overused as the move is, it's always cool to hear an announcer yell "Spear!"

Finisher names depend on the wrestler and their character. The Banks statement works because it fits Sasha's character.

I was watching a Hollywood Blondes vs. Ron Simmons & Ice Train match a few minutes ago that reminded me of one of my all time biggest wrestling pet peeves....

TV time expiring while a match is still in progress. Thankfully this idiotic trend died out around the time of that Blondes match so you younger fans never had to deal with it. But, yeah, the show ends while the match is still going on. Sometimes they'd finish it up the following week, but more often than not it was simply ignored as if it had never existed at all. And this was quite common in the 80s! Mid South & "NWA"/Crockett frequently ended shows this way. Early WCW also did it from time to time, though I don't recall ever seeing it in WWF.

Jan 24, 2018 23:56:21 GMT Baker said:

I was watching a Hollywood Blondes vs. Ron Simmons & Ice Train match a few minutes ago that reminded me of one of my all time biggest wrestling pet peeves....

TV time expiring while a match is still in progress. Thankfully this idiotic trend died out around the time of that Blondes match so you younger fans never had to deal with it. But, yeah, the show ends while the match is still going on. Sometimes they'd finish it up the following week, but more often than not it was simply ignored as if it had never existed at all. And this was quite common in the 80s! Mid South & "NWA"/Crockett frequently ended shows this way. Early WCW also did it from time to time, though I don't recall ever seeing it in WWF.

I'm glad you brought that up. I was watching The Great American Bash 92. I don't remember the exact match but apparently, wrestlers couldn't come off the top rope without being DQ'ed. I was dumbfounded.

Jan 25, 2018 0:16:31 GMT Ed said:

Jan 24, 2018 23:56:21 GMT Baker said:

I was watching a Hollywood Blondes vs. Ron Simmons & Ice Train match a few minutes ago that reminded me of one of my all time biggest wrestling pet peeves....

TV time expiring while a match is still in progress. Thankfully this idiotic trend died out around the time of that Blondes match so you younger fans never had to deal with it. But, yeah, the show ends while the match is still going on. Sometimes they'd finish it up the following week, but more often than not it was simply ignored as if it had never existed at all. And this was quite common in the 80s! Mid South & "NWA"/Crockett frequently ended shows this way. Early WCW also did it from time to time, though I don't recall ever seeing it in WWF.

I'm glad you brought that up. I was watching The Great American Bash 92. I don't remember the exact match but apparently, wrestlers couldn't come off the top rope without being DQ'ed. I was dumbfounded.

Along those same lines throwing a wrestler over the top rope was also grounds for disqualification in WCW all the way up until...1996? 1997, maybe? And it was selectively enforced, too. Usually ignored in jobber matches, but definitely a thing most any time you got a star vs. star match you really wanted to see. Always thought it was the cheapest of all the cheap cop outs.

Referees being made out to be idiots who can't see a giant titantron and having no power once a match is over.

Jan 25, 2018 1:37:45 GMT Call said:

Referees being made out to be idiots who can't see a giant titantron and having no power once a match is over.

Always annoyed me how refs operate. Some nights they can't call what they don't see. Next night they can rule a dq based on an Eddy Guerrero fake out.

Dec 18, 2017 15:04:14 GMT @ness said:

So ya know when someone is Irish Whipped and then they duck down and are usually met with a kick to the shoulder by the one rebounding off the ropes... what the hell is that? Like... what are they hoping to accomplish? Is it setting up for a backdrop? I just don't understand the logic.

Yeah, they’re meant to be setting up for a backdrop. Same with the “pancake” part of the international part, they are meant to be trying to trip the person, but Paige is the only person I’ve seen do it successfully.
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I hate it when music plays during a run in/save. Like if I'm the Ultimate Warrior coming to help Hulk Hogan who's getting beat up by 3 guys, would I want to have music played that instantly makes it known I'm coming, like a minute before I get to the fight? No. I'd at least try to get the element of surprise and try to sneak up on them.

As far as the run in goes, there was this one instance where the New Age Outlaws and Team Rhodes Scholars were having a match, and a couple minutes in, Brock Lesnar's music plays and he shows up, then the Outlaws just stand there and do nothing until he gets to the ring. And then the Paige return where it took her a while to get to the ring and Sasha and Mickie had to just sit there until she got there. Just so unrealistic.

Sarah Logan did the most ridiculous knee drop thing on Smackdown. It came off looking super weak and should serve as a reminder to all these kids who can't get over, it's not what you do, it's how you do it. A simple kick into the ribs would have said 1000x more.

Mauro Ranallo's "Mamma Mia".

Jan 31, 2018 8:27:02 GMT Emperor said:

Mauro Ranallo's "Mamma Mia".

Mauro Ranallo's " En fuego! "