Mauro says "En fuego?" I know what it means, but I don't think I've ever heard him say that ever. Or at least not consciously noticed it.

Jan 31, 2018 4:18:02 GMT Dukezilla said:

I hate it when they do run-ins/saves with music. Like if I'm the Ultimate Warrior coming to help Hulk Hogan who's getting beat up by 3 guys, would I want to have music played that instantly makes it known I'm coming, like a minute before I get to the fight? No. I'd at least try to get the element of surprise and try to sneak up on them.

As far as the run in goes, there was this one instance where the New Age Outlaws and Team Rhodes Scholars were having a match, and a couple minutes in, Brock Lesnar's music plays and he shows up, then the Outlaws just stand there and do nothing until he gets to the ring. Just so unrealistic.

Maybe Warrior figured his music alone might scare the heels off and then he wouldn't have to engage in any unnecessary physicality?

I could have sworn I posted this in this thread but I don't see it so i'll say it again. There are few things that annoy me more in wrestling than a wrestler looking at the referee when he's making the three count so he can do the last second shoulder up. Right off the bat I know that guy is kicking out because he has no reason to look up at the ref making the count if he's taking the fall. Have a little trust in your ref to not give you a weird count sequence. To a live crowd it's probably not at easy to see but on TV it is extremely easy to spot and it can really let the steam out of the moment of the last moment kick out.

Jan 31, 2018 23:30:43 GMT vendrell said:

I could have sworn I posted this in this thread but I don't see it so i'll say it again. There are few things that annoy me more in wrestling than a wrestler looking at the referee when he's making the three count so he can do the last second shoulder up. Right off the bat I know that guy is kicking out because he has no reason to look up at the ref making the count if he's taking the fall. Have a little trust in your ref to not give you a weird count sequence. To a live crowd it's probably not at easy to see but on TV it is extremely easy to spot and it can really let the steam out of the moment of the last moment kick out.

I hate that too. More importantly, Steve Austin hates that. Austin did a commentary for his WM17 match against Rock and he made note about how you would not see him do that, and the reason you wouldn't was, "Because I'm not a jabroni."

Jan 31, 2018 16:22:46 GMT Emperor said:

Mauro says "En fuego?" I know what it means, but I don't think I've ever heard him say that ever. Or at least not consciously noticed it.

He's toned it down recently. But I remember a recent takeover with Mauro nearly dropping it any time someone got a minute of offense. 

I know from MMA and Boxing, Mauro is equal parts very good at his job/cringe inducingly awful, and it varies moment to moment. I think a lot of it is the weather man voice.

I've never understood the fixation with star ratings.When did such observations begin?

The countout last minute roll in. They can barley move 1-8, but magically @ 9 they are faster than Sonic. About as annoying as the arm fall x3 in a rest hold. Every so often have them fight out at the second call.

Feb 1, 2018 17:34:54 GMT Ed said:

I've never understood the fixation with star ratings.When did such observations begin?

It was popularised by Meltzer, but it's application to wrestling was inspired by Cornette's friend. Originally it was only 4 stars, but supposedly there was a Jerry Lawler vs. Terry Funk match from 82/83 that broke the scale.

I kept a list of star ratings from 6 years ago and found it to be a relatively good tool. For reference sakes, I had Mysterio Jr./Malenko @ GAB '96 at 3.5 stars and their Halloween Havoc 96 match at 4 stars. I agree that in general it's absurd to judge a quality of the show based on star ratings. I find it ruins my enjoyment and it prevents me from being completely immersed. Same with cinema where I tend to enjoy movies more if I stumble across them or watch them on a whim rather than relying on critics and friends heaping tons of praise on them.

Shitty kick-outs that are meant to be at 2.9 but end up being at 2.999 or even 3.01 (whether due to laziness on behalf of the wrestler kicking out, improper weight distribution of the wrestler performing the pin, poor referee count coordination, or some combination of any of those elements). Totally sucks the drama and fun out of a false finish when you AND THE FANS are like... ok, well, that was clearly three... why's the match still going? It's made all the worse when there's this awkward hesitation by all in the ring before resuming the action. If things get fucked up, roll with it... don't freeze in the headlights. Jesus.

Jan 31, 2018 16:22:46 GMT Emperor said:

Mauro says "En fuego?" I know what it means, but I don't think I've ever heard him say that ever. Or at least not consciously noticed it.

This past week, he said it, within 10 second of the show opening. The man can't help himself. 

Another one of mine is when the commentators say they spoke with so and so today. Yeah, fuck you, no you didn't.

Feb 12, 2018 15:36:06 GMT @ness said:

Another one of mine is when the commentators say they spoke with so and so today. Yeah, fuck you, no you didn't.

I don't mind that one that much.  I do like though when they just claim "sources". haha.  It always gives me a chuckle for some reason.

I also miss how most everything in wrestling right now is a quick fix with little build to anything and feuds are just so short and choppy it's hard to give a fuck about.  Then again maybe WWE can't string together a compelling long term feud.  I will say though I like what they are doing with Jason Jordan if it goes where I think it's going.  Right now the "everybody hates Jason" thing is pretty enjoyable.  Like even his dad fucking hates him.

When a wrestler does something mildly clever and points a finger towards his head to indicate he's smart.

Similarly, the "this close" gesture after someone goes for a rollup and the other guy kicks out at two.

Blinding mist. It makes for a cool visual, but it defies logic. It's always used during a ref bump, but soon the ref recovers and sees some weird liquid all over a guy's face. And he's just supposed to ignore it like nothing happened?

Jun 1, 2018 21:25:44 GMT Emperor said:

When a wrestler does something mildly clever and points a finger towards his head to indicate he's smart.

Similarly, the "this close" gesture after someone goes for a rollup and the other guy kicks out at two.

Blinding mist. It makes for a cool visual, but it defies logic. It's always used during a ref bump, but soon the ref recovers and sees some weird liquid all over a guy's face. And he's just supposed to ignore it like nothing happened?

Like so many things, those gestures only really evolved into pet peeves through massive overuse.

Regarding the mist, and maybe I'm only taking this stance as a Tajiri-fan, but... I love the concept of the mist, both in kayfabe and outside the reals of kayfabe. Like, I'm still mystified (-_-) about how Tajiri manages to suddenly load up with so much liquid late in the match. That seems harder than smuggling a snipped-down razor blade out of a wristband. But, within the confines of kayfabe, here's my question... why not just be a clear mist? It would surely still be as distracting/blinding in the moment, allowing for a surprise roll-up or at least a reversal of match momentum. And then there would be no ostensible sign afterward of shenanigans. AND THEN, that would make the color mists seem all the more important. Bust out the red/green/black mist, and sure it's a DQ that costs you the battle... but you win the war, because now your opponent is blinded for a few weeks, or gets ill, etc. Something with more stakes that could advance storylines.

Using the ring ropes to launch a guy from theoutside on the apron, over the top rope and back into the ring. Frankie Kazarian does this into an ace cutter and it looks so ridiculous. I guess it looks cool but I just can't get over how i'm supposed to by that the momentum is so strong from this mild tug on the ring rope that it's going to literally pull a guy up into mid air. There is nothing in the laws of science that support this move.

AEW made me revive this thread.

Reverse Hurricanranas
This move is now in every single match ever, and I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do physically for two equally sized human beings. The whole point of a normal hurricanrana is that you jump up, squeeze your legs around the other guy's neck/head, and fling him around using the legs. I just don't believe it's possible to do that in reverse, at least not as smoothly as they make it look.

Even normal hurricanranas, which I can believe, are executed terribly these days. The guys clearly aren't even squeezing their legs that much, so it's just one guy jumping up and falling back, and the other guy doing a front flip for no reason. The Private Party vs Lucha Bros match from the last AEW dynamite show had something like a dozen of these. I wasn't counting, but I noticed a lot of them.

Commentators talking about pin covers
Shut the fuck up with that "he would have won if he hooked the leg" bullshit. Everybody kicks out of everything these days. If you don't hit your finish, you won't win no matter how you cover. If you hit your finish, you could win with a one finger cover. Provided you cover immediately, because giving your opponent even one second will give him that energy he needs to kick out, at which points the commentators will say "If he hadn't wasted so much time, he would have won the match!!!"

Springboard Arm Drag

No.



Even if this were physically believable, which it isn't, and not tremendously risky and easy to counter, which it is, why go to all that effort just to slide your opponent across the mat a little? It's literally a flip for the sake of a flip.

Oct 25, 2019 22:51:53 GMT Emperor said:

AEW made me revive this thread.

Reverse Hurricanranas
This move is now in every single match ever, and I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do physically for two equally sized human beings. The whole point of a normal hurricanrana is that you jump up, squeeze your legs around the other guy's neck/head, and fling him around using the legs. I just don't believe it's possible to do that in reverse, at least not as smoothly as they make it look.

Even normal hurricanranas, which I can believe, are executed terribly these days. The guys clearly aren't even squeezing their legs that much, so it's just one guy jumping up and falling back, and the other guy doing a front flip for no reason. The Private Party vs Lucha Bros match from the last AEW dynamite show had something like a dozen of these. I wasn't counting, but I noticed a lot of them.

Commentators talking about pin covers
Shut the fuck up with that "he would have won if he hooked the leg" bullshit. Everybody kicks out of everything these days. If you don't hit your finish, you won't win no matter how you cover. If you hit your finish, you could win with a one finger cover. Provided you cover immediately, because giving your opponent even one second will give him that energy he needs to kick out, at which points the commentators will say "If he hadn't wasted so much time, he would have won the match!!!"

Springboard Arm Drag

No.



Even if this were physically believable, which it isn't, and not tremendously risky and easy to counter, which it is, why go to all that effort just to slide your opponent across the mat a little? It's literally a flip for the sake of a flip.

While WWE gets flack for every match having a suicide dive, the reverse rana is another overused move elsewhere. I do love it as a headdrop though, but if used sparingly of course.

Always hated the hook the leg argument. In that case hooking both that happens every so often should be even more effective!

Biggest pet peeve and you would have seen me make light of it on the third episode of Dynamite is wrestlers not adhering to tag team rules. It's impossible to get invested in a tag team match when a guy like Pentagon Jr can just enter the ring and hit a Canadian Destroyer in full view of the referee and win the match on the back of it.

The Canadian Destroyer was a dumb move even when Petey Williams was the only guy using it, but at least then it was a clear struggle to pull off the move. Now a wrestler can just walk up to a guy and hit one like it's nothing.

When wrestlers stand outside waiting to be dived on.

Best part is, when they see it coming and move to catch them.

The guy literally motions to the crowd, cuts a lap of the ring and his opponent stands there shaking his head “ no no no “ and then takes 230 lbs to the face, rather than move out of the way.

The X Division and independent wrestling of the early 2000s killed all logic and reason.

Oct 27, 2019 2:05:53 GMT NATH45 said:

Best part is, when they see it coming and move to catch them.

The guy literally motions to the crowd, cuts a lap of the ring and his opponent stands there shaking his head “ no no no “ and then takes 230 lbs to the face, rather than move out of the way.

The X Division and independent wrestling of the early 2000s killed all logic and reason.

At least sometimes wrestlers argue and get distracted before getting dived on that is somewhat realistic.

When a wrestler gets a new finisher and suddenly their old finisher can't beat anyone when it used to beat everyone.

I'm not really a fan of the fact that Chris Jericho's gimmick is making light of the fact that he's a real-life massive alcoholic.

And, not really a "pet" peeve but... maybe it's time to admit that Jericho sucks? And has sucked? For, like, a long time?

Nov 7, 2019 7:42:58 GMT KITN said:

I'm not really a fan of the fact that Chris Jericho's gimmick is making light of the fact that he's a real-life massive alcoholic.

And, not really a "pet" peeve but... maybe it's time to admit that Jericho sucks? And has sucked? For, like, a long time?

Check out the thread in HoW! That clunky plodfoot ain't nothin'!

Nov 7, 2019 7:42:58 GMT KITN said:

I'm not really a fan of the fact that Chris Jericho's gimmick is making light of the fact that he's a real-life massive alcoholic.

Is he really an alcoholic? If he is, and he's happy to do a gimmick about it, then I don't see the problem.

Jericho is now quite lousy in the ring, but he's still one of the best at everything else. Best promo in AEW by far. He's getting the Inner Circle over just by standing around them and talking them up.

A noticeable amount of the stories in Jericho's books or stories about himself on the road involve him either A) being at a bar (where he met his wife, for example) or B) getting shitface drunk (that time Cena outdrank him and tucked him into bed). And even if Jericho's okay with it, hell it's probably his idea, I'm still not a fan of him making light of his own problem, which is what you do when you don't want to admit you have a problem.

Someone drinking a lot and liking to party does not make them an alcoholic. That's a baseless statement.

Do you think Steve Austin is an alcoholic too?

I mean... yeah? Probably?