Oct 26, 2019 19:37:03 GMT Emperor said:

The Canadian Destroyer was a dumb move even when Petey Williams was the only guy using it, but at least then it was a clear struggle to pull off the move. Now a wrestler can just walk up to a guy and hit one like it's nothing.

I really like Rosemary answer to fan question if you could steal any move from any wrestler what would it be. When thinking about she said if when she stole it if that meant no one could do it. Then she said the Canadian Destroyer not to use it just so everyone would have to figure out something else to do.

Jericho documented his drinking problem in his third book. For years he had been riding that fine line of just being one of the boys to it becoming a problem and he shared a moment that actually affected his professional career. It was around 2009 when he was teaming with the Big Show and working a program with D-X. They were over in the UK and after drinking all night, Jericho went to catering with the rest of the roster including Shawn and his family. Anyways, Jericho was still belligerant and was swearing up a storm. When the Hurricane told him to quiet down that there were wrestlers here with their families, Jericho said something to the affect that they shouldn't even be allowed here and kept swearing. Shawn walked his family out and Jericho was still acting like a dick yelling out to Shawn and offering a faux apology. Shawn made a beeline back towards him, told him off, Jericho continued to act belligerantly and Jericho was left with the disdain of the rest of the roster. They eventually worked things out, but Shawn pointed out to him that this wasn't a one off deal and that he was becoming difficult to work with. Jericho admitted that his lifestyle had affected every aspect of his life, but didn't divulge any further.

So, I can see the complaints but at the same time, it's just a silly line that a lot of people really loved and they're not promoting Jericho's attitude as a positive. It has potential to get out of control, but as long as they don't go the Scott Hall and starting making it an essential part of the character, I think it's OK. Jericho as the Robert Baratheon champion is a good fit for AEW at this stage and allows a lot of the younger guys to shine coming up against him.

Tag teams that lose tag matches to random teams. In almost any contest if you have a team against a group of random people. The team will win.

I mean, when Shawn Michaels is telling you, you're becoming difficult to work with, that must be a wake up call. 

Wasn't there some reports of a Kelly Kelly fling around that time?

That, and being arrested after a drunken fight with Helms. 

Nov 9, 2019 6:24:17 GMT X-zero said:

Tag teams that lose tag matches to random teams. In almost any contest if you have a team against a group of random people. The team will win.

I'm of the mindset that the tag champs should be able to beat any two randoms. But that would also only be possible in a world where tag teams are taken seriously, so it's kinda silly to expect. I mean, if those randoms are main eventers I also expect them to be able to handily beat the tag specialists in solo action, but WWE does love the champs lose a non-title/two guys feuding winning the tag belts thing.

Here's another one I hate. Wrestlers saying they will end an opponent's career in the buildup to a match. Everyone knows that's not going to happen, and when you work the match, you don't even try to make it look like you're trying to cripple them. So don't say it.

Nov 23, 2019 17:48:51 GMT Emperor said:

Here's another one I hate. Wrestlers saying they will end an opponent's career in the buildup to a match. Everyone knows that's not going to happen, and when you work the match, you don't even try to make it look like you're trying to cripple them. So don't say it.

Always hated when wrestlers are supposed to be in a heated blood feud and start out with a collar-elbow.

NO.

I said I was going to revive this thread and post some classic Strobe posts in here. It is done.

Apr 15, 2020 17:55:46 GMT Strobe said:

Apr 15, 2020 3:45:32 GMT Baker said:

Swing dance wrestling is when there are counters on top of counters to the point where it looks like the wrestlers are do-si-doing. You're a Brit so you probably don't know what this square dancing term means either. Just look it up. The term is basically shorthand for overly cooperative b.s. Okada (who I actually kinda like lol) is among the most egregious offenders. Okada and Opponents are forever do-si-doing out of the Rainmaker position.

There are plenty of unrealistic things I am happy to put up with in wrestling. But the way Tanahashi, I guess supposedly trying the world's worst left-armed clothesline, jumps over Okada's most minimal duck so he can be caught in the Rainmaker position again could be used as my nooooooopppeee line.

And yes, I count Shawn Michaels' first SCM attempt at Mania XIV where he is clearly not going for the kick at all and him jumping into the Sharpshooter at Mania XII in the same boat. Just try a fucking flat-back bump dropkick and get your feet caught, you cunt. Don't just straight up jump into it, "Mr. Greatest Perfomer". If you are going to have a move countered, at least make it look like you are attempting that move. And yes, the giant nothing off the top rope is maybe the worst of all of these and wrestlers should be docked pay for including it in their matches.

Apr 15, 2020 18:11:40 GMT Strobe said:

Oh yeah, any move that is dependent on the opponent moving every time can fuck off as well. Low-Ki's shining wizard ducked into a reverse kick could be a cool spot if the shining wizard was a regular part of his arsenal and he hit it often and then he missed it a few times and learned to have that counter to the counter. When you just use it as a spot in every match, it sucks.

Just like Ibushi's double moonsault. It would work if a moonsault double stomp was a regular move of his (maybe he has used this, but I've never seen it) and this was his counter to his opponent moving. But the opponent always moves and he is always ready to do the second backflip when he lands.

Seth Rollins under-rotating on the Phoenix Splash so he can land on his feet and roll through fits here to an extent. I don't buy that he can see the guy moving and adjust, so it doesn't work as a spot.

Eddie's roll-through on the Frog Splash also. It never looked like he was going for a Frog Splash and adjusted in mid-air, just clearly a forward roll off the top as he knows beforehand his opponent will move.

My latest pet peeve is one I call the "handstand bump".



Wrestlers taking a bump for a cutter or a DDT by doing a handstand, making it look like they were spiked on the top of their head. It looks contrived as fuck and not at all believable. Twist of Fates and Cutters look fantastic if the guy takes a flat bump on their front. That's the point of a cutter, when Johnny Ace first used the move as the Ace Crusher. Hook the guy's neck, drop down, face first into the canvas. It was never intended to be a spike, and I don't know how it's physically possible to actually spike someone that way.

I can believe someone delivering a DDT can actually execute the move so the guy is spiked, but I still much prefer the original way people took it. I also like the roll through version that can be seen at one point in the following video.



How a DDT should be taken. Somehow that got lost along the way and everyone is handstanding.

Yeah, even plenty of great workers started taking the DDT as a head spike/roll through when it is so simple and safe to take as a flat face bump, with the exception of doing it on concrete like Steamboat.

I had Misawa at #2 on my favourites list, a guy who literally got dropped on his head/neck until he died. I love the style but it isn't one that anyone should emulate.

Arguably the 5 most over finishers in the history of the WWF and WCW are Jake's DDT, Austin's Stunner, Hogan's Leg Drop, DDP's Diamond Cutter and Rocky's People's Elbow. All can be performed on everyone and all are very safe to take.

I think the only time I've enjoyed the head spike is when RVD used to use it for a sell. I think once it was on the ramp, so it looked especially devastating. I just can't suspend my disbelief most of the time because there's just no way the way the moves usually go that they would be knocked on their head, especially with a TOF type of move.

Also my brother would argue about the People's Elbow being safe because he cried like a bitch once after I gave it to him. No idea how, then again I broke his arm with a powerbomb so obviously he just ain't up to being a good worker.

May 25, 2020 13:48:12 GMT @ness said:

Also my brother would argue about the People's Elbow being safe because he cried like a bitch once after I gave it to him.

I'd like to believe if you were performing the People's Elbow on your brother that you laid that shit in stiff.

The DDT spike sell is good for a one off, like when RVD used to do it, but now it's the default DDT sell, and I don't like it.

The main difference is that RVD made it look good. And it fit his style. He kind of always exaggerated or oversold things but made it work.

PAC comes to mind as well. He’s the first wrestler I remember seeing that did this kind of sell regularly. I don’t really remember disliking it or anything though.

That twist of fate on Guevara was silly though. I laughed when he came out using the chair as a crutch then immediately gets his ass kicked, but the sell ruined that whole moment because of how absurd it was. You can barely move then you decide to sell that way? No.

I don't watch enough current wrestling to be burned out on the spike sell. I could definitely see it getting old though. Always loved it when RVD did it back in the day. But like many RVD things, it seems to have become overused through the years.

That Arn DDT video I posted in my Arn writeup also featured some sweet DDTs- namely the ones taken by Alex Wright and Barry Windham.

Most of these have been covered at some point, and they resulted more in snarky commentary on my part rather than genuinely pissing me off, but since I've mostly neglected this thread.....

-When a wrestler goes up top for the flying nothing. This always ends with the attacker getting a boot to the face.

-The roll through on top rope moves. Eddie was notorious for this.

-Forearm exchanges need to die. Yet I still love chop battles. Weird.

-Back to RVD. When wrestlers would catch his chair toss and conveniently hold the chair in front of their faces so Rob could kick it into said faces. Have any of these people ever watched an RVD match before? Just dodge the chair or bat it down, ya idiots.

-Any time one of a wrestler's signature moves is a counter to another move. Examples: You can't powerbomb Kidman. You can't hit Razor or Bradshaw with a crossbody block. And you can't give Rey a Super Razor's Edge. It's even worse when the move in question is not a part of the attacker's regular arsenal.

-When wrestlers mill about outside the ring just waiting to catch a dive.

-Immediately popping up from big moves or kicking out at one. At least wait until 2.9, ya hacks.

-Most Hulk Ups in general, though there are some rare exceptions. This is probably my oldest pet peeve as it dates all the way back to childhood.

Also my brother would argue about the People's Elbow being safe because he cried like a bitch once after I gave it to him. No idea how, then again I broke his arm with a powerbomb so obviously he just ain't up to being a good worker.

The Earthquake Splash is a believable killer move when performed by the 468 pound Earthquake. But the Earthquake Splash when you stomp on your brother's face because the slow poke didn't move out of the way fast enough is a killer move even when performed by a scrawny 70 pound kid. 

Back for a few more.

The 619 is one of my least favorite moves of all time due to the often contrived set up. The worst is when Rey would frankensteiner guys into 619 position. Something which never happened once in the thousands of other frankensteiners hit in wrestling history.

Chinlocks are boring and stupid. Literally anything else would be a better time waster. Grab a lazy armbar or a half-hearted leg lock. At least you're targeting a body part. Even a grounded headlock would be superior given that a well executed headlock actually hurts.

Tag teams that lose to random teams is another good one mentioned by an earlier poster. 

The clean execution.

Christopher Daniels has the “best moonsault ever” he’d hit it showing absolutely no signs of being in a fight. There were countless others in those early 2000s who would sell fatigue from a wrist lock then seconds later hit a reverse 450 inverted shooting star press.

May 26, 2020 8:00:23 GMT NATH45 said:

The clean execution.

Christopher Daniels has the “best moonsault ever” he’d hit it showing absolutely no signs of being in a fight. There were countless others in those early 2000s who would sell fatigue from a wrist lock then seconds later hit a reverse 450 inverted shooting star press.

How do you sell fatigue mid-reverse 450 inverted shooting star press? Under-rotate?

May 26, 2020 18:10:53 GMT 🤯 said:

May 26, 2020 8:00:23 GMT NATH45 said:

The clean execution.

Christopher Daniels has the “best moonsault ever” he’d hit it showing absolutely no signs of being in a fight. There were countless others in those early 2000s who would sell fatigue from a wrist lock then seconds later hit a reverse 450 inverted shooting star press.

How do you sell fatigue mid-reverse 450 inverted shooting star press? Under-rotate?

Kidman style.

The assholes mostly Jim Cornette sycophants that scour social media promoting shit they hate instead of cool old school shit. Acting like the arbiters of wrestling. Those people are insufferable.

Cheating has become more and more of a pet peeve in recent years, and it's time to let it all out.

I understand the goal of cheating in wrestling. The bad guy breaks the rules and wins, and everyone hates him for it. Great. Fantastic.

The implementation of the cheating heel has been stuck in the 90s, or the 80s, or even earlier, for a long time. It has failed to modernise. In all sports we have decisions based on video footage, multiple officials, action replays and so on. It doesn't catch all cheating, but I'd say it catches a lot more bullshit than what was caught before.

In wrestling we still have this completely stupid model that there is only one person with any authority to call the match, the lone official in the ring, and if he or she doesn't see what is going on, it's allowed. This made sense when wrestling was not recorded, kayfabe still lived, the business was carny, and there were only the two wrestlers, the crowd, and the official.

Now all wrestling is televised, the ability to replay moments exists, if an official is knocked down then he could be swiftly replaced by another. Yet pro-wrestling is still full of brain-melting spots. For example, a guy gets on the apron and talks to the referee, making him turn his back on the match. Heel gets a steel chair, whacks the face (making a racket in the process which the referee is conveniently deaf to), ditches the chair. Why would this be acceptable in modern times?

It's even worse in NJPW, where rules are broken constantly in front of the official and nothing is ever done. The reasoning is that the official would not want to abandon a high profile match based on one or two minor rule violations. Fine. I can understand that, even if I don't agree with it.

But that concept has been taken to the most ridiculous extremes. You have wrestlers deliberately assaulting the referees on an almost nightly basis, weapons being used in front of the referee, blatant interference. It's so fucking stupid. It's really the only thing I dislike about NJPW. Cheating going unpunished has allowed EVIL to beat Okada and Naito, and become the top guy in the company. Because he has the advantage of being able to do whatever the fuck he likes because there is zero threat of being disqualified. Yes, I'm still bitter about that.

I understand this is heel wrestling 101, and you can scream "YOU'RE BEING WORKED LOL STUPID MARK" at me all you like. However, there's a point where suspension of disbelief is broken, and pro-wrestling has gone way beyond that with regards to breaking the rules.

Plus you have stupid shit like one wrestler attacking another with a weapon before the bell, and the referee starts the match 30 seconds later with one half dead wrestler, instead of doing something sensible like throwing the match out or calling a DQ.

Loving and totally agreeing with Dr. Emperor on these peeves.

Something that annoys me, over choreography spots. Young Bucks this is you.

Thus past week, Luchasaurus is standing near the ropes, young buck #1 gets up on the top rope and basically stands there using a paused Luchasaurus for support. Luchasaurus instead of sweeping the guy's leg and sending him to the mat, stands up straighter allowing more support. This is a good few seconds where time stands still while these monkeys get in place. Luke Perry Jr. then gets springboarded by his dinosaur into a Canadian Destroyer onto young buck #1.

Well fuck me.

" right here in this very ring "

Sorry, where else would the match take place? This filler line makes me cringe every time.

Aug 1, 2020 0:35:36 GMT NATH45 said:

" right here in this very ring "

Sorry, where else would the match take place? This filler line makes me cringe every time.

Ya see...

When the smoke clears and the dust settles...

THIS SUNDAY...

Aug 1, 2020 0:54:35 GMT @ness said:

Aug 1, 2020 0:35:36 GMT NATH45 said:

" right here in this very ring "

Sorry, where else would the match take place? This filler line makes me cringe every time.

Ya see...

When the smoke clears and the dust settles...

THIS SUNDAY...

"Without a shadow of doubt"

Or any grown man who says, "I'm going to kick your... butt"

Guys, please, let's put together the most generic wrestling promo ever using as many of the clichés as possible. Twenty PW bucks to whoever can squeeze in the most with a still organic flow.

" Let me tell you something Rock. Tonight-ahh, in the middle of this very ring-ahh, when we go one on one-ahh and when the smoke clears and the dust settles-ahh, when all is said and done-ahh, without a shadow of a doubt-ahh, in front of all these fans-ahh, when I pin you. One. Two. Three-ahh. You Rock, you sanctimonious son of a bitch - I'll prove to you and these fans, that you-ahh, couldn't even lace up my boots-ahh, and I will still be the World Wrestling Federation Champion-ahh, because I am the game and I am that damn good-ahh. "

- Probably, potentially a real Triple H, McMahon-Helmsley era promo.