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Post by iron maiden on May 6, 2020 4:22:20 GMT
LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF CHOCOLATES; NEVA KNOW WATCHA GONNA GET HAHAHAHAH SO CLEVER I've got a better one. Life is like my ass; you never know how much shit is up in it until it comes exploding out. Seriously though, it is not smart or funny in any way. Is it supposed to be cute? I don't get it. Life is like a present; you never know what's inside! Life is like a jigsaw puzzle; you never know how it's going to fit together! I could do this all day. That line personifies the entire movie. It is 100% full of dumb, shallow pseudo-intellectual nonsense that has no value and is not enjoyable in any way. Tom Hanks fucking killed it as always. The movie probably would have gained no popularity whatsoever if it wasn't for him. Doesn't make me suddenly interested by anything that happened though. Dumb movie. Dumb premise. Dumb, obvious point. The ONLY Hanks movie I do not like. A grey mark permanently etched into the legacy of one of the most phenomenal actors of all time. Tell me otherwise. I did. Perhaps you missed my post on the page back.
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Post by Lionheart on May 6, 2020 4:25:58 GMT
LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF CHOCOLATES; NEVA KNOW WATCHA GONNA GET HAHAHAHAH SO CLEVER I've got a better one. Life is like my ass; you never know how much shit is up in it until it comes exploding out. Seriously though, it is not smart or funny in any way. Is it supposed to be cute? I don't get it. Life is like a present; you never know what's inside! Life is like a jigsaw puzzle; you never know how it's going to fit together! I could do this all day. That line personifies the entire movie. It is 100% full of dumb, shallow pseudo-intellectual nonsense that has no value and is not enjoyable in any way. Tom Hanks fucking killed it as always. The movie probably would have gained no popularity whatsoever if it wasn't for him. Doesn't make me suddenly interested by anything that happened though. Dumb movie. Dumb premise. Dumb, obvious point. The ONLY Hanks movie I do not like. A grey mark permanently etched into the legacy of one of the most phenomenal actors of all time. Tell me otherwise. I did. Perhaps you missed my post on the page back.
Some of you hurt my head sometimes.
That doesn’t count because my post happened after. I will go read it though.
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Post by Lionheart on May 6, 2020 5:08:18 GMT
What makes Forrest Gump important? Longevity, it can stand up against time, but was also significant in the time it was released. You could watch it now and it still relevant because it's steeped in history, even if it takes liberties with it. An important film to me is also brave enough to reflect societal issues at the time, which we see throughout the film through the eyes of complex yet compelling characters with highly quotable and poignant dialogue.
I think important movies change us and the way we look at things. Forrest Gump certainly did that for me. When it came out we were in the thick of the AIDS epidemic. This movie I think really educated some through Jenny's story that it wasn't just a 'gay' disease, showcased child abuse and how it shaped and changed her. It showed the plight of those returning from war through Lt. Dan's struggles. It showed us PTSD before PTSD was on the forefront and while US Servicemen and women were over fighting in Desert Storm and to learn from what we did to those who returned from Vietnam. You can disagree with the war, but don't turn your back on the men and women who choose or in the case of Vietnam had no choice but to fight. I also think it changed the way we see people who are handicapable and how they don't see the world as jaded and cynical as we all do. Once upon a time, we would have put men like Forrest Gump in an asylum and sterilized them. It showed that given the opportunity, handcapable people are capable of great things and most importantly showed us how to be more grateful and how to love one another better.
Financially, it's spawned an empire in Bubba Gump restaurants. How many docudramas can you say have done that?
Well, I don't disagree with any of that. Educating people is good and there are few better ways to do it then a massively popular movie, so I certainly think it did benefit the world in that regard. But it didn't change the way I look at things personally. I had already read much about AIDS due to it killing my favorite person in history, Freddie Mercury. The plight of returning from war was shown in far more stunning clarity in Deer Hunter two decades earlier, as well as in countless other movies. Same with PTSD. Born on the Fourth of July, while not one of my favorite movies, even did this much better. I already knew that we shouldn't turn our back on troops just because we disagree with war because I have a heart. Sure, it probably did a lot for many people who didn't see other movies or didn't happen to know about some of that stuff.
I still think it's a terrible movie. I am only speaking for my own personal enjoyment, which was very low due to what I find to be key film-making qualities that it was missing. And yes, they are qualities that I think are pretty common as far as basic film principles are concerned. That doesn't mean they're important to everyone, but they are key to connecting with me.
Abstract style - I generally hate this in any movie. This is one of those films where things don't really hold together or fit in the context of the world. I watch plenty of movies with ridiculous killer robots or magical wonders occurring but I enjoy them because they fit within the context of the world. This film has a ton of over-the-top ridiculous things happening that you know aren't possible. I guess people find that kind of silly stuff humorous, but to me all I'm thinking is how can anyone be drawn into this world when it isn't even consistent and repeatedly breaks the illusion. I know this is something the film is going for, but it's just for a different kind of person than me. Big Fish is another film I dislike for this reason that has a very similar style.
Importance of Events - If I know that nothing in the movie that happens really has an impact on anything, because it's a zany world where anything is possible, why do I care about anything that is happening? It loses a huge amount of power in being able to make you feel tense or invested in anything. I have always loved fiction since I was reading books as a kid. I was amazed by how they teleport you into fantastical worlds with larger than life events. This movie went everywhere but it didn’t take me anywhere.
Impactful Message - I agree the things you brought up can be impactful to some, but again just not for me. A movie doesn't always have to require an impactful message to be good, but it can go a long way towards helping. This was just a bunch of disconnected mini-points that didn't really tie together so there was no way for it to really push out anything particularly strong to affect me.
Intelligent Dialogue - This movie just seemed to lack it to me. Maybe some of the jokes were a bit funny, but they were all simple jokes. Everyman stuff. If I wanted to hear silly jokes like that, I could just go talk to my dad.
Character Development - There's nothing natural about this movie. The characters change like leaves blowing in the wind for seemingly no reason. The movie is just so whimsical. But if anything can happen without sense or logic, why do I care that it is happening? It keeps coming back to this point, I guess.
Narrative - The story jumps around all over the place. Some movies that I really enjoy do this, like Memento, but there is a purpose behind it and some semblance of a narrative that is tied together throughout. But since this doesn't really have an overall deep meaning behind everything, I just can't get into it to follow anything. It's in one scene and then another random unrelated one right after. I can't attach to anything.
Tone - The movie is very lighthearted, which works for a comedy but not when the content matter is all this incredibly serious and deep stuff and it just takes the shit out of all of it. I just don't think it works. It seems dismissive and disrespectful of all these real problems to me and I think that by oversimplifying things the way it does that it may lead to more misunderstanding in some areas.
Cowboy Shit - I really enjoy cool/epic shit happening. The stuff in this movie may be over-the-top ridiculous, but nothing is "badass" or particularly insightful or revelationary. It just makes it hard for me to care about it.
This film just completely failed in every single area of the many areas that I care about. I am sorry if I offended by calling it dumb, but I really really really dislike this movie. That is just how it comes off to me with all of that combined together as well as the forced corniness that it pushes throughout.
Also, I found some parts offensive to disabled peoples. I am a really open-minded guy and generally am all for laughing at anything if it doesn't cause any harm. But some of the jokes in this movie were flat out approaching "hahah it's funny because he can't speak well and doesn't understand" and I found it in pretty poor taste. On some level, I felt this was kind of an overarching theme throughout the whole movie...like the whole thing was about laughing at disabled people while masquerading as being pro-disabled people.
This hardly even begins to sum up all of the reasons that led to my feelings towards this movie, but it is probably enough to get the idea.
I would rather watch Dark Phoenix.
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Post by PB on May 6, 2020 9:07:35 GMT
Also, I found some parts offensive to disabled peoples. I am a really open-minded guy and generally am all for laughing at anything if it doesn't cause any harm. But some of the jokes in this movie were flat out approaching "hahah it's funny because he can't speak well and doesn't understand" and I found it in pretty poor taste. On some level, I felt this was kind of an overarching theme throughout the whole movie...like the whole thing was about laughing at disabled people while masquerading as being pro-disabled people.
This is very accurate. There are lots of parts that are laughing at Forrest and not with Forrest and that isn't cool. I should preface my remarks my saying that I'm probably one of the more politically conservative posters here in many regards, so the fact that I think Forrest Gump is a boring and too-long propaganda piece for the Republican Party does not come from a place of left-wing insecurity. 'Life is like a box of chocolates.' For Forrest Gump, it is. No matter what happens in his life, he comes out eating chocolate. (Although it's still stupid, because the box always tells you what chocolates are inside. Only an idiot doesn't know what they're going to get). But for everyone else in the movie, life is like a box of rattlesnakes with a few chocolates hidden in the bottom. The central theme is basically, don't challenge the status quo. Don't ask questions. Don't try new things. If you're a good ol boy who does what you're told, then the American dream is for you, and like Forrest, life can be a box of chocolates. If you dare to think differently, or have an opinion that goes against the grain you will either die of aids or some other tragedy. The kids in the 60s who did what they were told did ok. The kids who cause trouble by having sex and protesting, they got abused and got aids. So just be good like Forrest, and keep on running. And if you did protest, it's probably because your daddy abused you. Forrest Gump is chicken soup for the soul garbage that encourages you to sit back, relax, and smile at the nice 'special' man whose life turned out ok after all. Also, launching Bubba Gump Shrimp couldn't be a better legacy. Soulless, mass-produced food from a soulless mass-produced film. I don't even love Pulp Fiction or Shawshank the way others do - but damn, this winning Best Picture is no different than Driving Miss Daisy or Green Book winning Best Picture - it's a surface level film that appears to deal with some hard issues, but ultimately doesn't challenge anyone, so it's a safe bet.
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Post by PB on May 6, 2020 9:09:06 GMT
Toy Story is perfect though and the second film to turn up from my list.
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Post by Lionheart on May 6, 2020 14:02:40 GMT
PB should get an oscar for his pointed and critically accurate remarks. He really cut through to the heart of the issues while I was more dawdling around the point.
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Post by Emperor on May 6, 2020 16:04:16 GMT
Lionheart's on a roll. I've got a better one. Life is like my ass; you never know how much shit is up in it until it comes exploding out. :lol: Maybe some of the jokes were a bit funny, but they were all simple jokes. Everyman stuff. If I wanted to hear silly jokes like that, I could just go talk to my dad. :lol: I would rather watch Dark Phoenix :lol: :lol: I'm glad this happened. I'm still a pro Forrest Gump guy, but I regard it only as a decent, entertaining movie, not some holy grail of morality or an abomination against...whatever.
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Post by 🤯 on May 6, 2020 16:17:55 GMT
Lionheart's on a roll. I've got a better one. Life is like my ass; you never know how much shit is up in it until it comes exploding out. :lol: Maybe some of the jokes were a bit funny, but they were all simple jokes. Everyman stuff. If I wanted to hear silly jokes like that, I could just go talk to my dad. :lol: I would rather watch Dark Phoenix :lol: :lol: I'm glad this happened. I'm still a pro Forrest Gump guy, but I regard it only as a decent, entertaining movie, not some holy grail of morality or an abomination against...whatever. I think this sums up both my stance on FG as well, and also my reaction to Lionheart's epic tirade. Lionheart definitely needs to start his own version of a Mystery Science Theater 3000 thread.
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Post by Lionheart on May 6, 2020 17:49:16 GMT
I'm glad this happened. I'm still a pro Forrest Gump guy, but I regard it only as a decent, entertaining movie, not some holy grail of morality or an abomination against...whatever. Well said. It is an abomination against whatever. Whatever you may possibly begin to conceive in the deepest reaches of your mind. Even before the thought starts to take form or start to shape into any meaningful element with even a semblance of nature that can apply to reality, this movie has already abominated against it. It is an abomination against all of mankind and I despise everything that it stands for.
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Post by PB on May 6, 2020 18:36:05 GMT
Just checked my IMDb - I rated Forrest Gump and Dark Phoenix 4/10.
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Post by Emperor on May 6, 2020 18:48:36 GMT
A terrible film gets 4/10? That's a great score for a terrible film. 4/10 is just below average, isn't it?
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Post by PB on May 6, 2020 18:58:33 GMT
A terrible film gets 4/10? That's a great score for a terrible film. 4/10 is just below average, isn't it? For gump The acting is largely pretty good and it looks very pretty. For dark Phoenix there were some very enjoyable moments mixed in with terrible. 4/10 would be two stars, which I think is fair as 1 star would mean that there’s nothing to like whatsoever. In my own personal ranking system, it’s gotta be truly horrendous to get below 4.
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Post by Emperor on May 6, 2020 18:59:42 GMT
For dark Phoenix there were some very enjoyable moments mixed in with terrible. Lionheart, do you agree?
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Post by 🤯 on May 6, 2020 19:03:50 GMT
A terrible film gets 4/10? That's a great score for a terrible film. 4/10 is just below average, isn't it? For gump The acting is largely pretty good and it looks very pretty. For dark Phoenix there were some very enjoyable moments mixed in with terrible. 4/10 would be two stars, which I think is fair as 1 star would mean that there’s nothing to like whatsoever. In my own personal ranking system, it’s gotta be truly horrendous to get below 4. Isn't the bold a weird statement? Like, wouldn't that be zero stars? :huh:
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Post by PB on May 6, 2020 19:24:33 GMT
For gump The acting is largely pretty good and it looks very pretty. For dark Phoenix there were some very enjoyable moments mixed in with terrible. 4/10 would be two stars, which I think is fair as 1 star would mean that there’s nothing to like whatsoever. In my own personal ranking system, it’s gotta be truly horrendous to get below 4. Isn't the bold a weird statement? Like, wouldn't that be zero stars? :huh: I don’t think 0 stars is an option. I’ve never seen a 0 stars review. But it’s just a personal system for keeping track though.
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Post by 🤯 on May 6, 2020 19:27:06 GMT
It's awesome to know I could go out right now, make a feature length film, and it'll automatically be worth at least one star.
Maybe there's hope for my film-making career after all!
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Post by iron maiden on May 6, 2020 19:34:09 GMT
Forrest Gump is chicken soup for the soul garbage that encourages you to sit back, relax, and smile at the nice 'special' man whose life turned out ok after all. What's wrong with that? :ugh:
Why does everything have to be dark and foreboding? Why is pandering to the lowest common denominator wrong when it comes to entertainment?
Movies are meant to be escapism. Not all of them have to get the story points across brutally. I feel if you can sit back and enjoy a film AND get something out of it, then job well done.
Its apparent we had different take aways with this particular movie, but no matter. That's what is great about entertainment which is what Forrest Gump is and meant to be.
Lionheart you mentioned Memento. Great, great movie. I had to watch it a second time to realize that but once I did, wow.
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Post by Ness on May 6, 2020 19:37:41 GMT
Did PB ever post that Gump review? Saw a long post, but it was just Lionheart rambling about I dunno what as if anyone is gonna read anything he posts that isn't a Dark Phoenix review.
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Post by 🤯 on May 6, 2020 19:49:31 GMT
Lionheart, I've been thinking about my one-star film-making career... wondering if you want to be the Matt Damon to my Ben Affleck (or vice versa). As a debut project, what do you think of us doing a Dark Phoenix remake?
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Post by Lionheart on May 6, 2020 19:49:41 GMT
Did PB ever post that Gump review? Saw a long post, but it was just Lionheart rambling about I dunno what as if anyone is gonna read anything he posts that isn't a Dark Phoenix review. I counted on this. Dark Phoenix was referenced. I had to draw people in somehow. There’s a PB review post in there too. You’ll have to wade into the chaos to find it.
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Post by Lionheart on May 6, 2020 19:50:54 GMT
Lionheart, I've been thinking about my one-star film-making career... wondering if you want to be the Matt Damon to my Ben Affleck (or vice versa). As a debut project, what do you think of us doing a Dark Phoenix remake? Great idea. My first act is to fire you and hire a partner that doesn’t suck.
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Post by Strobe on May 6, 2020 19:51:20 GMT
Some nice Mandela Effect here with both PB and Lionheart misquoting "life WAS like a box of chocolates". Maybe they were originally in a reality where it was IS and they've moved over into this one and that is the unconscious source of their hatred.
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Post by 🤯 on May 6, 2020 19:54:45 GMT
Lionheart, I've been thinking about my one-star film-making career... wondering if you want to be the Matt Damon to my Ben Affleck (or vice versa). As a debut project, what do you think of us doing a Dark Phoenix remake? Great idea. My first act is to fire you and hire a partner that doesn’t suck. Why? You shooting for two stars?
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Post by iron maiden on May 6, 2020 19:58:11 GMT
What's wrong with that?
Why does everything have to be dark and foreboding? Why is pandering to the lowest common denominator wrong when it comes to entertainment?
Movies are meant to be escapism. Not all of them have to get the story points across brutally. I feel if you can sit back and enjoy a film AND get something out of it, then job well done.
Its apparent we had different take aways with this particular movie, but no matter. That's what is great about entertainment which is what Forrest Gump is and meant to be.
Lionheart you mentioned Memento. Great, great movie. I had to watch it a second time to realize that but once I did, wow.
It's pandering to the Academy and LCD. It wants to hit all the right notes so it gives everyone that let's cheer for this underdog throughout the entire movie, because every move he makes turns out great. It's the definition of Oscar Bait.
It doesn't have to be dark and foreboding, but if you like being pandered to, then I'm sorry that your entertainment can be summed up in a formula. Good sir, whatever you posted isn't showing up on my phone nor my laptop's web browser.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 20:00:07 GMT
Good sir, whatever you posted isn't showing up on my phone nor my laptop's web browser. It's pandering to the Academy and LCD. It wants to hit all the right notes so it gives everyone that let's cheer for this underdog throughout the entire movie, because every move he makes turns out great. It's the definition of Oscar Bait. It doesn't have to be dark and foreboding, but if you like being pandered to, then I'm sorry that your entertainment can be summed up in a formula.
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Post by PB on May 6, 2020 20:08:15 GMT
Forrest Gump is chicken soup for the soul garbage that encourages you to sit back, relax, and smile at the nice 'special' man whose life turned out ok after all. What's wrong with that?
Why does everything have to be dark and foreboding? Why is pandering to the lowest common denominator wrong when it comes to entertainment?
Movies are meant to be escapism. Not all of them have to get the story points across brutally. I feel if you can sit back and enjoy a film AND get something out of it, then job well done.
Its apparent we had different take aways with this particular movie, but no matter. That's what is great about entertainment which is what Forrest Gump is and meant to be.
Lionheart you mentioned Memento. Great, great movie. I had to watch it a second time to realize that but once I did, wow.
What's wrong with that is that I don't enjoy it. If you do that's great, but I can't enjoy a film that pretends have something meaningful to say but doesn't really and does so while laughing at its main character and sending such a sinister message (whether intentional or not). The experience I have watching Forrest Gump is the polar opposite of yours. It makes me annoyed and angry - it's anti-escapism for me. I've no idea where your next point came from? I have no desire for all films to be dark and foreboding. In the very next post I mentioned that I love Toy Story and it made my list. I love light-hearted feel-good films, but I cannot watch Forrest Gump and feel good because it's so force-fed and unnatural.
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Post by iron maiden on May 6, 2020 20:11:32 GMT
Good sir, whatever you posted isn't showing up on my phone nor my laptop's web browser. It's pandering to the Academy and LCD. It wants to hit all the right notes so it gives everyone that let's cheer for this underdog throughout the entire movie, because every move he makes turns out great. It's the definition of Oscar Bait. It doesn't have to be dark and foreboding, but if you like being pandered to, then I'm sorry that your entertainment can be summed up in a formula.
It doesn't always, but sometimes I am the lowest common denominator and I do enjoy being pandered to, so there's nothing to be sorry for. I'm not sorry I enjoyed this movie or that I got something out of it. I work my brain hard every day at work, so I don't mind not having to work for it to be entertained on my down time.
I still don't understand what's wrong with cheering for the underdog or that he/she comes out on the right side of history while facing down adversity. Again as I said in my posts, we got different things out of it and that's okay. I'm not going to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine on the subject. It would be boring if we could.
Where the hell is UT?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 20:18:20 GMT
It's pandering to the Academy and LCD. It wants to hit all the right notes so it gives everyone that let's cheer for this underdog throughout the entire movie, because every move he makes turns out great. It's the definition of Oscar Bait. It doesn't have to be dark and foreboding, but if you like being pandered to, then I'm sorry that your entertainment can be summed up in a formula.
It doesn't always, but sometimes I am the lowest common denominator and I do enjoy being pandered to, so there's nothing to be sorry for. I'm not sorry I enjoyed this movie or that I got something out of it. I work my brain hard every day at work, so I don't mind not having to work for it to be entertained on my down time.
I still don't understand what's wrong with cheering for the underdog or that he/she comes out on the right side of history while facing down adversity.
It's because I read the book and Jenny and his mom don't end up with the fates they do in the movie, Zemeckis takes such liberties. I guess I just like some substance.
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Post by 🤯 on May 6, 2020 20:19:31 GMT
It doesn't always, but sometimes I am the lowest common denominator and I do enjoy being pandered to, so there's nothing to be sorry for. I'm not sorry I enjoyed this movie or that I got something out of it. I work my brain hard every day at work, so I don't mind not having to work for it to be entertained on my down time.
I still don't understand what's wrong with cheering for the underdog or that he/she comes out on the right side of history while facing down adversity.
It's because I read the book and Jenny and his mom don't end up with the fates they do in the movie, Zemeckis takes such liberties. I guess I just like some substance. What happens in the book? Also, why have I always thought Ron Howard directed FG!?!?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 20:22:09 GMT
It's because I read the book and Jenny and his mom don't end up with the fates they do in the movie, Zemeckis takes such liberties. I guess I just like some substance. What happens in the book? Also, why have I always thought Ron Howard directed FG!?!? Read it...the book is different enough.
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