Maybe you use the word deported that way in Australia. But here it literally means to remove from the country. As for removing them from Martha’s Vineyard… well they were there for two days, taken care of by 100s of volunteers. So many they had to turn them away.. (you know actually Christ like) The were moved not because they were unwanted but because Martha’s Vineyard doesn’t have facilities to house and help them. Dropping them off there was sort of like dropping a basket of puppies at a bakery. One wouldn’t fault the bakery owner for finding a better fit for the pups.





In short no matter how one takes the meaning of deported. My original point still stands. Which was they people of Martha’s Vineyard were infinitely more Christ like than the people who put them on the buses… hell Desantis had to go to Texas (half way across the country) to fill the buses cause he couldn’t find enough undocumented in Florida to send. So very Christ like… he wasn’t acting in good faith much less with compassion. I’d hate to think you of all people weren’t arguing in good faith.

Libs party campaign for the Victorian election is hilarious - their entire identity is so toxic and unelectable they can't use it. Voldemort has to steer clear, Matthew Guy is now Matt in an attempt to hide his corrupt past, they're avoiding using the party name where possible, and their billboards are suddenly teal instead of blue.

Matthew Guy needs to give up. The joke was " who's running for the Libs.. some guy. " boom-tish. Because you never saw the man's face unless it was election time, at least here regionally.

Sadly Guy will probably get in, as Daniel Andrews is essentially public enemy number 1.

There is barely a minuscule chance they win, they will probably only pick up a few seats as a natural correction from the landslide of the 2018 election. Andrews is not unpopular even after Covid.

Are there "red", "blue", and "purple" states in Australia comparable to the U.S.?

As an ignorant American, I always just assume all of PW's Aussie posters are effectively from the same place even if some of you are from Sydney, some Perth, and some New Zealand...

-_-

6 states, 2 territories. And then we have a tonne of electoral districts, or electorates or commonly, seats. I think.

So in a way, you can call them " red seats " or " blue seats " 

But.... it's backwards. 

Red is commonly associated with The Labor Party ( social democrats/centre-left ) and blue is for The Liberal Party. But The Libs aren't liberal - they're conservatives/centre-right. They're in a coalition with The National Party.. who are dark green. The Nats are like the Libs, but they love farming. Despite a coalition, you can vote for The Libs, The Nats or The Lib-Nats. Yeap.. 

Then there's simply, The Greens. Who are a lighter shade of green.. and you guessed it, they love the environment and are very progressive/left-wing.. almost to their own detriment. Then, there's the closest thing to a MAGA rally in the form of One Nation who are represented in orange.. these clowns are just good old fashion racists.. sorry, nationalists. Then there's a bunch of parties that achieve nothing, and contribute little. 

But as an overall view, you can call red/blue/green states, but the breakdown of electorates seats would still be the better data as the demographics and the politics can differ vastly across each state. Melbourne for example was very red in 2019.. but the regional areas across Victoria were green/blue. 

Man, no wonder it's called Upside Down Land. That sounds confusing as shit, at least to an ignorant outsider.

How does this tie back to state or local level government/municipalities? I'm assuming an electorate seat then is somewhat comparable to a Congressional district in the U.S., which isn't really related to actually municipality boundaries at all.

Oct 25, 2022 11:53:30 GMT 🤯 said:

Man, no wonder it's called Upside Down Land. That sounds confusing as shit, at least to an ignorant outsider.

How does this tie back to state or local level government/municipalities? I'm assuming an electorate seat then is somewhat comparable to a Congressional district in the U.S., which isn't really related to actually municipality boundaries at all.

Likely, wikipedia simply defines electoral districts for the US Federal House of Representatives as congressional districts. 

Then we have local government areas or LGAs (cities/towns).. and then economic rural regions and probably a tonne of other definitions.. 

I'm in the Greater Shepparton LGA, which is in the Hume economic rural region, also in The Nicholls electoral division. But also in the County of Rodney in regards to land administrative divisions. 4kms east, I'd be in the same LGA but a different county.  

It's not wonder none of us know who to vote for. 

Oct 25, 2022 7:43:24 GMT @admin said:

There is barely a minuscule chance they win, they will probably only pick up a few seats as a natural correction from the landslide of the 2018 election. Andrews is not unpopular even after Covid.

Best outcome I can hope for is that Labor ends up in minority government and Andrews loses his seat to the slug bloke.

The floods have bit Andrews a bit as it's made him need to have his head on the telly and it reminds people of the Covid briefings. His best chance at winning the election has always been to be invisible against a useless opposition.

Regional Victoria absolutely despises Daniel Andrews and the further north you travel beyond the Great Dividing Range, the more conservative it becomes.

The man was physically chased out of Bendigo last year.

Locally, the economy in the regions is built on ag/hort, manufacturing, people working with their hands.. it may have been a bit of a novelty to work from home for some, but for many, lockdowns took them out of work. People don't forget.

Oct 25, 2022 20:16:33 GMT NATH45 said:

Regional Victoria absolutely despises Daniel Andrews and the further north you travel beyond the Great Dividing Range, the more conservative it becomes.

The man was physically chased out of Bendigo last year.

Locally, the economy in the regions is built on ag/hort, manufacturing, people working with their hands.. it may have been a bit of a novelty to work from home for some, but for many, lockdowns took them out of work. People don't forget.

Those are National/Independent held seats already, it's irrelevant. 

Oct 25, 2022 21:23:25 GMT @admin said:

Oct 25, 2022 20:16:33 GMT NATH45 said:

Regional Victoria absolutely despises Daniel Andrews and the further north you travel beyond the Great Dividing Range, the more conservative it becomes.

The man was physically chased out of Bendigo last year.

Locally, the economy in the regions is built on ag/hort, manufacturing, people working with their hands.. it may have been a bit of a novelty to work from home for some, but for many, lockdowns took them out of work. People don't forget.

Those are National/Independent held seats already, it's irrelevant. 

It's not political bias to say the man is divisive.
He has a police escort and Bullet proof vest just about everywhere he goes.
I think you will find the left move more to h and the centre move further away.
I haven't seen any seat by seat polls, but they'd have to be nervous about the working class neighbourhoods with the lockdowns

Vic Government picking up the Netball sponsorship is masterful trolling. Eat a dick Rinehart.

Oct 31, 2022 4:01:14 GMT @admin said:

Vic Government picking up the Netball sponsorship is masterful trolling. Eat a dick Rinehart.

We have nothing better to do with 15m ?

$15m in emergency relief funding would go a long way...

Victoria is more debt than NSW, QLD and Tasmania combined... but who cares, right? Because the netballers and the 400 people who watch it are happy.

We'll pay it back, Dan will create a new tax, or increase an old one. Whatever works.

Oct 31, 2022 20:47:50 GMT NATH45 said:

$15m in emergency relief funding would go a long way...

Victoria is more debt than NSW, QLD and Tasmania combined... but who cares, right? Because the netballers and the 400 people who watch it are happy.

We'll pay it back, Dan will create a new tax, or increase an old one. Whatever works.

I believe the flood relief package is something like 788 million - don't be disingenuous, all arms of the government don't just stop because of one unfortunate event. 

Nov 1, 2022 21:11:33 GMT @admin said:

Oct 31, 2022 20:47:50 GMT NATH45 said:

$15m in emergency relief funding would go a long way...

Victoria is more debt than NSW, QLD and Tasmania combined... but who cares, right? Because the netballers and the 400 people who watch it are happy.

We'll pay it back, Dan will create a new tax, or increase an old one. Whatever works.

I believe the flood relief package is something like 788 million - don't be disingenuous, all arms of the government don't just stop because of one unfortunate event. 

Of that nearly $800m State and Federal relief for Victoria, it won't fix the issue. It's to clean it up. Regional Australia has been talking about more proactive measures for decades - but these are only " once in 100 year events "..... despite happening every 10-15. But that's a different conversation.

You're right, $15m isn't much.. I guess he's got to spend that $2b he ripped out of Health Care somehow. 

The Nation decides!

Ok, Victoria decides (It's one of two states that matter) Socialist Dictator Daniel Andrews is MIA today and he apparently seems to be avoiding media, after previously voting early outside of his electorate this past week. Goofball.

Can the man responsible for the longest lockdowns in the world continue his reign of terror?

Nov 26, 2022 5:44:02 GMT NATH45 said:

The Nation decides!

Ok, Victoria decides (It's one of two states that matter) Socialist Dictator Daniel Andrews is MIA today and he apparently seems to be avoiding media, after previously voting early outside of his electorate this past week. Goofball.

Can the man responsible for the longest lockdowns in the world continue his reign of terror?

He's going to retain and maybe increase his majority.
I'm over this shit state.

Metro needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

I told you guys. If there was any real movement against Andrews it would have been seen in the federal election, and it simply wasn’t. The idea that it was going to be close was a complete fabrication by the media.

If anything we are seeing Melbourne go even further left with the Greens picking up seats and the Vic Socialists having a surprisingly strong result.

Nov 26, 2022 11:06:16 GMT @admin said:

I told you guys. If there was any real movement against Andrews it would have been seen in the federal election, and it simply wasn’t. The idea that it was going to be close was a complete fabrication by the media.

If anything we are seeing Melbourne go even further left with the Greens picking up seats and the Vic Socialists having a surprisingly strong result.

I have a working theory that because of the outrageous amount of money that was spent during the pandemic of JobKeeper, pandemic leave and corporate welfare that nobody apart from business owners and corporate types have felt the pain of this pandemic...

As the interest rate rises and the recession starts to bite, I think you will find people less impressed with Dan and Albo.
I don't get the media fawning over Labor they haven't done anything yet except past legislation... Maybe save the victory lap until something actually happens.

Nov 29, 2022 10:51:46 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 26, 2022 11:06:16 GMT @admin said:

I told you guys. If there was any real movement against Andrews it would have been seen in the federal election, and it simply wasn’t. The idea that it was going to be close was a complete fabrication by the media.

If anything we are seeing Melbourne go even further left with the Greens picking up seats and the Vic Socialists having a surprisingly strong result.

I have a working theory that because of the outrageous amount of money that was spent during the pandemic of JobKeeper, pandemic leave and corporate welfare that nobody apart from business owners and corporate types have felt the pain of this pandemic...

As the interest rate rises and the recession starts to bite, I think you will find people less impressed with Dan and Albo.
I don't get the media fawning over Labor they haven't done anything yet except past legislation... Maybe save the victory lap until something actually happens.

Well if only small business owners (and it's important to make that distinction, because wankers like Gerry Harvey did very well for themselves gaming the system) felt the pain then I think that contradicts most of your complaints from the last couple of years, and acts as a strong endorsement of the government policy.

I would agree that the Albanese government hasn't done a whole lot so far, but the Victorian government have done a hell of a lot - particularly when it comes to infrastructure. The LXRP is great, the Metro Tunnel is going to be a game changer, the SRL is finally going to deliver the long awaited airport train, and they've built a lot of hospitals and schools. They could stand to be more progressive on issues like duck shooting, logging and renters rights, but generally speaking doing a good job.

This is absolutely savage.

This is not really shocking news to anyone, but I thought the specific observation that millennials are not moving to the right as they "age" was interesting, because I remember reading some posts on here relatively recently about that concept. The Australian electorate is just simply becoming more progressive and will continue to do so.

'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain'

Something like that?

Dec 5, 2022 3:12:55 GMT NATH45 said:

'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain'

Something like that?

Yeah was it you? Typed like that it made me think of this :lol:

Lol. I copy/pasted it from an article's headline, hence the formatting.

Dec 5, 2022 3:15:10 GMT @admin said:

Dec 5, 2022 3:12:55 GMT NATH45 said:

'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain'

Something like that?

Yeah was it you? Typed like that it made me think of this :lol:

Can't not love a Sid tie-in to politics.

Feel like Australia could be an inspiration for America to aspire to?

How come your colony sorted shit out so much better than ours?

What people are finding in the US is that the shift to the right is not happening for millennials or beyond here either so the electorate will continue to get more progressive. The justification for moving right also does not really exist. Millennials are not seeing a share of the wealth come over to them as they age, so they have no real need to fight for fiscal policy to protect their wealth. US is far more extreme than Australia though with inequality.