Mar 1, 2024 7:29:01 GMT c said:

Only gonna get more expensive as you wait. Burning gas forever is not-viable as environmental concerns keeps growing, and the youth that ages into voting age opposes it.

And yeah infrastructure is not cheap. But it saves money in the long term.

Singapore seems to have ideas on how to wire shit up since they plan to build there and transmit back to their mainland where it likely then gets stored and transmitted to their people as needed.

You're assume all young people " care about the environment " 

The vocal few, and they are the few. It's a university class minority - bored and privileged and moving from one bogey-man to another because being woke to these issues comes with a sense of accomplishment. 

Case in point, if young people cared about climate change they wouldn't be building McMansions, driving giant SUVs and 4X4 Utes and traveling. Yet this is the reality. Those anxiety driven hypochondriacs perpetually in a state of panic aren't the majority, nor do they or their TikToks or trends represent an entire generation. 

The reality is, people.. including young people, want cheap & affordable and reliable energy. Because the cost of living and their own well-being and interests outweigh the half a degree the oceans might warm over the next century. It that selfish? Probably, but not really. 

But that's also not to suggest solar, wind, hydro, puppies running on trend-mills can't be a component of the overall energy system. 

In general, the youth is predominantly pro-environment. Sure some are not, but the majority is. Not a university issue as you all seem to believe, but a social media thing. This generation made the environment there thing. Gen alpha likely to adapt it as well. They literally believe we live in a dying world like from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.

Many of this gen also does not live alone or pay their own bills. Cost of energy def not on their minds yet. And generally cost of energy is completely disconnected these days to how it is produced.

I work with a lot of Gen Z, I have Gen Z family and friends and you know what they never do?

Talk about climate change.

Most of them don't even talk about politics. Or the culture wars.

Most don't care.

Most aren't interested.

They talk about their lives, their interests, work, uni, sport, movies, music, girls, boys, themselves.

What they don't do en masse is sit around hyperventilating about an impending doomdays scenario they've been feed by university lecturers and left wing media.

As a Millennial, we didn't either. And no we don't.

It is not a generational thing, and maybe, I'll concede it's not even a class thing - as there's a lot of highly educated poor people, and a lot of under educated rich people and there's a lot of highly educated dumb people and a lot of under educated smart people...

It's ideology.

Breath outside of your bubble and you'll see that.

c I am not really interested in the ideology side, I am all for cleaner air and less emissions.
I just don't see the point in bankrupting a nation for a lie that renewables are a viable way forwards.

Not sure why you keep equating storage as more interesting once fusion arrives.
Fusion is the end game at which point storage becomes irrelevant.
It will also mark the end of battery EV.
If we have Fusion then we can create hydrogen out of water with zero emissions.
At that point the battery is dead as the hydrogen fuel cell is better technology in every way.

You keep making throw away lines like cheaper in the long term, but it is not and never will be.
The storage costs with solar and wind kill it dead, before we even get to transmission lines.

$625 AUD kWh in capital cost
The battery will last at best 10 years
In my little old city, a house uses 4,615kWh a year so halve that for nights and when the sun isn't shining (generous) 2,300 kWh
So that is: $1.4m per house and the life is 10 years.
Full storage for one house is $140k per year

Yes, you don't need storage during the day time, but you need to supply a peak load to a house when required.
You also need enough generation to power the cities and charge the batteries, which is more that 200% of the requirement just to power.

Solar makes sense at a dwelling or business level.
Governments everywhere are better off nearly abandoning these mass scale projects and focusing on subsidizing houses and businesses adding solar to their roofs, this is the model that makes sense if any does.

Can the Prime Minister go a week without embarrassing himself?

Apr 30, 2024 3:18:27 GMT NATH45 said:

Can the Prime Minister go a week without embarrassing himself?

Bullying women at the rally against violence against women was pretty impressive... Even for him

It was Peter Dutton's fault.

Today we're censoring the internet to combat domestic violence. Deep fake particularly.

Today, we'll ignore the social, cultural and economic factors, the drug epidemic that is much interwoven into society and the policing and court system that continues to not only fail victims of DV, but victims of all crimes in this near lawless country, QLD being the greatest example and the very evident mental health crisis linking a lot of these issues together.

Albo and Co, are on TV right now having first spent all of 3 minutes talking about DV, then transitioning into spending the next 20 talking about censoring digital platforms.

" deep fake " is the buzz word of the day, and banning deep fake is apparently the fix to DV.

They've outlined some excellent, albeit reactive measures - $925m to assist those leaving DV. But typically, he's missing the point yet again despite his best intentions.

I applaud him stepping up on the issue, but again.. Labor isn't addressing the core issues. DV existed before social media and certainly existed before AI deep fake was even a 0.01% factor, it has been a silent epidemic for decades, and it screams of backdooring in a social media bill at the expense of domestic violence.

Housing crisis? Cost of living crisis? Labor states heading for recession....

Nah, we're putting $600m of tax payer money into a Rugby Team for PNG.

I talked about this yesterday in the US debate thread, then low and behold what's on the news today:

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/students-told-to-put-hands-on-the-ground-repeat-always-will-be-aboriginal-land-before-assembly/news-story/f9cc92278da3f403b4a533bcb791490d

This is offensively wrong to me, I would also say it is objectively wrong. It is not the place of the schools to be pedaling ideology and white guilt on the next generation. It's clear that they're going to run this referendum on treaty in another 10 years and there's no better way to get it approved than to indoctrinate children now.

In other news the Libral party has FINALLY moved to supporting nuclear.
This is such a strange one in Australia as the political debate around energy in Australia is full of literal lies that people are allowed to repeat and anyone who corrects them is branded a climate change denier.

This is a passion project of mine, as I actually understand the electricity grid.
At the moment all of our HV cables run to fixed points where the coal fired power stations are.
If we went nuclear, we'd put a reactor next to the existing power stations and you don't need to modify the grid.

Renewables are spread out over the entire landscape, people talk about rnewable being cheaper, it is only because they are completely ignoring the cost of distribution, you would have to build an entirely new infrastructure covering the country. The cost of this is many many times the cost of the power generation itself and anyone who advocates otherwise is lying.

Then we have the issue that power from renewables needs to be stored and that technology can never exist on the scale we need, and even if we had it, you would then need enough generation to power the state and charge the batteries in 6hrs, it's literally impossible.

Renewables energy is being pushed by either people with financial interests in it: the Teals and Turnbull or radical socialists who see energy as a method of tearing down the status quo... Or idiots.

Jul 2, 2024 0:05:09 GMT iNCY said:

I talked about this yesterday in the US debate thread, then low and behold what's on the news today:

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/students-told-to-put-hands-on-the-ground-repeat-always-will-be-aboriginal-land-before-assembly/news-story/f9cc92278da3f403b4a533bcb791490d

This is offensively wrong to me, I would also say it is objectively wrong. It is not the place of the schools to be pedaling ideology and white guilt on the next generation. It's clear that they're going to run this referendum on treaty in another 10 years and there's no better way to get it approved than to indoctrinate children now.

I was going to post this and give you the hot tag.

I'd be happy if the messages were met half way. Yes, this was indigenous land once upon a time. But this nation is also largely built upon British and a history of immigration.

I think with a lot of the messaging, for every person it reaches, it alienates another.

Jul 2, 2024 5:12:30 GMT NATH45 said:

Jul 2, 2024 0:05:09 GMT iNCY said:

I talked about this yesterday in the US debate thread, then low and behold what's on the news today:

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/students-told-to-put-hands-on-the-ground-repeat-always-will-be-aboriginal-land-before-assembly/news-story/f9cc92278da3f403b4a533bcb791490d

This is offensively wrong to me, I would also say it is objectively wrong. It is not the place of the schools to be pedaling ideology and white guilt on the next generation. It's clear that they're going to run this referendum on treaty in another 10 years and there's no better way to get it approved than to indoctrinate children now.

I was going to post this and give you the hot tag.

I'd be happy if the messages were met half way. Yes, this was indigenous land once upon a time. But this nation is also largely built upon British and a history of immigration.

I think with a lot of the messaging, for every person it reaches, it alienates another.

This is a fair and balance POV, I have no problem with discussing the murders and inhumane price paid by Aboriginal peoples for Western colonization. On the other hand I believe it is also fair to represent the Aboriginal people as they were a stone aged warrior race who freely killed and raped their own. I don't say that to lessen their deaths or to malign them as a people, but to represent a wholistic view of the nature of all people.

What the hand-wringing of today really shows, is complete ignorance. There would scarcely be a piece of dirt on this earth that a person owns that didn't once belong to someone who had it taken by force. If you took all the power off those who have it now and gave it to those that didn't, the same levels of oppression would most often occur.

I'm really lost for what options are left to help Indigenous people in Australia.

It generally feels at times, Indigenous services aren't too dissimilar to the old " jobs for the boys " mentality. We continually see more and more invested and more and more educated or privileged Indigenous people going to work for their communities, and yet we're told the gap is widening. Either there's a incredible lack of leadership in ensuring people are accountable, or this idea of self determination is false.

We've covered this before, so there's no point rehashing the same discussion.

And what does treaty achieve? Does it change one's behaviour? This idea that every marginalised Indigenous person is living a terrible life because of " colonialism " or racism is dangerous in how flawed it is.

Despite being liberal nothing will set me off faster than anyone using colonialism, or neo-colonialism.

The use of it in Gaza I find particularly interesting as if the history of the region is correct, it was founded by Jews, who were colonized by assyarians who becamme palestinians over time. Then Palestine would be oppressed by the Jews who were returned to their homeland. So who are the invaders here? The people who colonized the land first, or the people who colonized it the second time? Like if you are given back your illegally stolen land, do you become colonizers yourself?

Dig into areas enough, almost no person is living on their homeland, and almost all who claim to be were invaders at some point. History is almost entirely tribes and peoples are united by force where those who do not got destroyed and had their homeland added to the consolidated tribes territory. And fuck go back far enough, these tribes were not even all homo sapiens.

Like many other philosophical lenses people learn to use them, before they learn critical theory itself, so people do not get lenses inherently add bias to something to get a different solution, usually one you are already predisposed to. Always find it fun to see people claim their lensed take is unbiased, as it showed they clearly do not know what they are talking about. There is a reason why using the word colonialism in a scholarly text will get you a desk rejection in many scientific areas.

Jul 2, 2024 5:23:24 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 2, 2024 5:12:30 GMT NATH45 said:

I was going to post this and give you the hot tag.

I'd be happy if the messages were met half way. Yes, this was indigenous land once upon a time. But this nation is also largely built upon British and a history of immigration.

I think with a lot of the messaging, for every person it reaches, it alienates another.

This is a fair and balance POV, I have no problem with discussing the murders and inhumane price paid by Aboriginal peoples for Western colonization. On the other hand I believe it is also fair to represent the Aboriginal people as they were a stone aged warrior race who freely killed and raped their own. I don't say that to lessen their deaths or to malign them as a people, but to represent a wholistic view of the nature of all people.

What the hand-wringing of today really shows, is complete ignorance. There would scarcely be a piece of dirt on this earth that a person owns that didn't once belong to someone who had it taken by force. If you took all the power off those who have it now and gave it to those that didn't, the same levels of oppression would most often occur.

This is spot on actually. I've always found the correlation between Native Americans and Aboriginal Australians to be interesting, specifically that very discourse.

If the tables were turned I do think you'd see similar outcomes, though the method in which it was done would just vary since different cultures mean different things would be given more reverence. But all humans are capable of doing incredibly evil deeds.

Union thug, suspected organized crime figure and Daniel Andrews' #1 heavy, John Setka has resigned as President of the CFMEU.

He leaves a legacy of extortion, intimidation, blackmail, corruption, among massive costs blow-outs and never-ending builds prolonged by union strikes and general chaos.

John Setka was quoted as saying " I'm not a bad guy.. " while sporting a 1%er inspired biker kutte sporting the words Men of Mayhem on his chest, and a t-shirt banishing The Punisher logo.

( that last bit may not have happened )

Jul 13, 2024 11:12:22 GMT NATH45 said:

Union thug, suspected organized crime figure and Daniel Andrews' #1 heavy, John Setka has resigned as President of the CFMEU.

He leaves a legacy of extortion, intimidation, blackmail, corruption, among massive costs blow-outs and never-ending builds prolonged by union strikes and general chaos.

John Setka was quoted as saying " I'm not a bad guy.. " while sporting a 1%er inspired biker kutte sporting the words Men of Mayhem on his chest, and a t-shirt banishing The Punisher logo.

( that last bit may not have happened )

What a joke the way Labor feigns shock at the corruption. It wasn't even a secret, I have so many friends in construction and they have seen intimidation and violence on work sites.

I personally witnessed what happened when a bikie gang a well known 1%er that I'm not going to name took over the shop steward roles in a plant then shut down elections and ran the plant from that point forward...

I have always said that unions are a necessary evil, but they are an evil and if it was all legit the government would give back all the money for the CFMEU I cannot help but wonder if placing an administrator was done so that Labor doesn't lose access to the cash. There's claims today that more than 30 billion of cost overruns on the Victorian big build programs are due to corruption.

It needs to all be cleaned up.
That's not going to happen though, instead we get the left vs right ideological battle and nothing changes.

Setka was neither. He was a thug and always was/will be, regardless of ideology.

Standing on the spot, staring at your phone deserves big money.

Jul 18, 2024 7:22:47 GMT NATH45 said:

Standing on the spot, staring at your phone deserves big money.

It's funny near my place it's always women on traffic control and they all have the huge eyelashes and nails like they all came out of the same machine... But good on them making it while they can

Jul 18, 2024 11:29:33 GMT iNCY said:

Jul 18, 2024 7:22:47 GMT NATH45 said:

Standing on the spot, staring at your phone deserves big money.

It's funny near my place it's always women on traffic control and they all have the huge eyelashes and nails like they all came out of the same machine... But good on them making it while they can

Probably drives a Maloo and dreams about Jet Skis. 

There are reports of IT outages affecting major institutions in Australia and internationally.

The ABC is experiencing a major network outage, along with several other media outlets.

Here's what we know.

What happened?

A technical issue, reportedly related to a US-based cybersecurity firm named CrowdStrike, caused Microsoft laptops across Australia and abroad to glitch on Friday afternoon.

The global outage impacted a raft of Australian companies and government agencies, causing many laptops to attempt to restart and display a blue screen error message.

The outage impacted telco providers, media websites, banks and airlines, and is believed to have impacted servers.

The cause of the outage is believed to be due to a software update by CrowdStrike, which launched earlier this week.


www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-19/global-tech-outage-latest/104120106

Not really political but not worth making a new thread over.

I just saw a few notices on Facebook, the local radio station is down due to computer issues. OMG how will I get my daily dose of Imagine Dragons and that one song by that Australian band I can't remember the name of, who sings about his wife leaving him that's on 37 times a day?!

Guy I know is stuck at the airport. Said is becoming a major issue as they cannot send out new flights, but planes have to land.

It is far more than just laptops, a lot of tech is failing. ATM's, digital screens, etc.

Jul 19, 2024 7:56:59 GMT c said:

Guy I know is stuck at the airport. Said is becoming a major issue as they cannot send out new flights, but planes have to land.

It is far more than just laptops, a lot of tech is failing. ATM's, digital screens, etc.

Yes, a lot of infrastructure has gone down.

It is fantastic if it is Crowdstrike that has gone down, imagine releasing an update that literally bricks windows PC's.
They are going to have to restore every single PC as they can't do it by patch as the PC's are BSOD.


This is nightmare fuel for IT departments everywhere.
Looks like it is anything that needs or touches windows to boot.

It also seems PC's with Bitlocker cannot bypass the loop, might need to be reformatted or recovered manually.

TAB (betting agency) is down, going to be a long night if the pokies crash here too.

Foxtel is down! My God! I'm having to watch free to air!