Anti-vaxxers in NSW will only be locked out of pubs and restaurants for about three weeks under the state's re-opening plan, John Barilaro said on Monday.
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(I love how it’s “antivaxxers” when most people I talk to are just waiting on Pfizer/Moderna or their second dose)

The Deputy Premier revealed vaccine passports for venues will only be mandatory when the state's Covid-19 vaccination rate is between 70 and 80 per cent. Once the 80 per cent double dose rate is hit, businesses can decide to let unvaccinated patrons enter if they wish, he suggested.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9983945/Covid-19-Unvaccinated-Australians-locked-pubs-THREE-WEEKS-NSW.html?fbclid=IwAR1RX5Il9cD0gW2YJ6u-igESQaVRANFOD8IN44_eCNztwLcVJcHyKRK8OFY


I’m guessing the staff that don’t want it just take another 3 weeks off work if their workplace doesn’t want to make it mandatory or find work elsewhere.


Can guarantee my workplace won’t be for it, board accidentally CC’d supervisors into their emails and the treasurer had a dummy spit prior to lockdown about wearing masks and said he wouldn’t be back in until “all this madness was over”. Probably time to resign then..masks aren’t going anywhere 🥴.

Curious to see what happens when we re-open during the double vaxxed only stage in October as it was about 30% staff that said they will be double dosed by then.

I wouldn't hold my breath for the 3-week thing System,
The freedoms we surrender easily, doesn't come back quickly.
Gladys seems the best of a bad bunch of State premiers, I can see her and Barilaro wanting the passports dead, whether they have the conviction to stick with that is another story.

There are so many numpties running around online with models of the NSW health system collapsing, while cases have been in a steady decline for about a week.
Makes me think much of it comes down to the weather.

WTF is happening to Australia.

Part of me wanted to have a laugh at this, but quickly all I could do was sit in astonishment at what is happening.


www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/violence-erupts-at-antilockdown-protests-as-public-clash-with-police/news-story/d410a994808c1e562a56bd31fde5ecf3

You all are meeting what the alt right looks like. Some of the US filth is over there funding and staging this shit. The Trump signs give it away really.

Sept 18, 2021 8:34:22 GMT NATH45 said:

WTF is happening to Australia.

Part of me wanted to have a laugh at this, but quickly all I could do was sit in astonishment at what is happening.


www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/violence-erupts-at-antilockdown-protests-as-public-clash-with-police/news-story/d410a994808c1e562a56bd31fde5ecf3

If the last few years have taught anyone anything is that violence is the only answer. Burn down cities, damage property, assault civilians and kill police officers to get your point across.

Most of the violent protestors are anarchists, not passionate protestors.
I am appalled that the government shut down public transport and banned the protest.
They applauded the blm protest in the first lockdown.our government doesn't get to choose what voices get heard.
I also don't think pepper spraying non violent protestors is cool.

Those police officers didn't really know how to control a crowd. The crowd controlled the situation and was better organized than the cops.

Man France was royally trying to fuck over Australia on the subs. Price would have been twice over the agreed price, subs would not be delivered for at least 15 years for the first one, with the order not being filled until 2050, and the agreement to use mostly Australia labor they fought back against until it was at 60%, then they wanted to cut it more. Also the designs and capabilities of the subs were leaked. Basically they could not really fulfill the deal they made at all, and are now made that Australia will not just go with the flow and pay 4x the costs to get the subs whenever France got around to it.

And then Australia thought, we'll sign an alliance with a US President that can't even remember Scott Morrison's name publicly.

And become The United States' island launch pad to the South China Sea, for you know.. shenanigans with China.

One thing the US got plenty of it is weapons. Better than waiting for 30 plus years for France to get it's shit together.

Moreso now that China said they could be a target for a nuke.  

Put it into context, the reported comment in China's state media was in the event the Australians decided to arm these nuclear subs with nuclear weapons provided by the US or UK, the Australians would then become a threat to China and Russia.. as the Australians would be serving American interests doing it.

And thus would be wiped off the map in the event of provoking China or Russia.

Good to know that if the US pisses off China they will nuke Australia and not us. Now who is for Trump 2024!!!

It's nice knowing Australia would rather play third tier in a Yankee Circle Jerk at the expense of its largest trading partner (US$90.6 billion / 43% of total Australian exports) and contribute to increasing tensions in the region.

Ugly, ugly scene in Melbourne today with construction workers rallying outside the office of the CFMEU.

Search for a page called 'Real Rukshan' on Facebook for a then live broadcast in the thick of it.

Construction workers basically feeling the union hasn't done anything to support workers in the wake of Daniel Andrews' 'Road Map' out of covid ie; reduced workforce, mandatory vaccination, general fuck you to the industry, etc.

This is that class war beginning and comes after the protests across the weekend.

Victoria is broken.

Sept 20, 2021 2:23:25 GMT NATH45 said:

It's nice knowing Australia would rather play third tier in a Yankee Circle Jerk at the expense of its largest trading partner (US$90.6 billion / 43% of total Australian exports) and contribute to increasing tensions in the region.

I understand your point of view... The reality though is that all of the tensions in the South China Sea have nothing to do with Australia and everything to do with China.
I wouldn't be shocked if there are some backroom talks about changing leadership in China, they are at the risk of crippling their own economy.

Sept 20, 2021 2:56:11 GMT NATH45 said:

Ugly, ugly scene in Melbourne today with construction workers rallying outside the office of the CFMEU.

Search for a page called 'Real Rukshan' on Facebook for a then live broadcast in the thick of it.

Construction workers basically feeling the union hasn't done anything to support workers in the wake of Daniel Andrews' 'Road Map' out of covid ie; reduced workforce, mandatory vaccination, general fuck you to the industry, etc.

This is that class war beginning and comes after the protests across the weekend.

Victoria is broken.

Please. :lol: You are really overestimating what maybe 200 dickhead antivaxxers account for. 

After the way America went I doubt there will be real class warfare in "western" style countries. Moreso the ones that already socialized.

Sept 20, 2021 3:24:51 GMT @admin said:

Sept 20, 2021 2:56:11 GMT NATH45 said:

Ugly, ugly scene in Melbourne today with construction workers rallying outside the office of the CFMEU.

Search for a page called 'Real Rukshan' on Facebook for a then live broadcast in the thick of it.

Construction workers basically feeling the union hasn't done anything to support workers in the wake of Daniel Andrews' 'Road Map' out of covid ie; reduced workforce, mandatory vaccination, general fuck you to the industry, etc.

This is that class war beginning and comes after the protests across the weekend.

Victoria is broken.

Please. :lol: You are really overestimating what maybe 200 dickhead antivaxxers account for. 

"Work from home if you can" - these guys can't.

"The vaccination isn't mandatory" - it is for them.

"You can't travel for work" - these guys often need to.

I bet you fall into a category that doesn't require you to leave the house to work. So, how about this.. you turn off your phone and internet and find a way to do your job.

Oh, if you can't do it. You don't get paid. That's if you're in that percentage that can work. Because their industry has been greatly reduced.

And, you're not allowed to touch that keyboard unless you're vaccinated.

Oh, and your Mum said the kitchen is closed. So you have to go eat in your car.

People are angry, and scared and a lot of people are hurt financially. Scenes like this don't happen at this frequency in Australia (unless the left have their feelings hurt)

Do'ers versus talkers. I wonder who the talkers call when the do'ers can't work.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert but it seems like today was mainly alt-right types trying to destabilise the union rather than a legitimate protest from CFMEU members. Plenty of people are pointing out how there were many UPF agitators visible (who were also front and centre on the weekend) so that journos from The Australian can froth and tweet about the "tide turning". These events with some violence are dramatic of course, but are the actions of a small minority and don't mean much in the great scheme of things.

Your "man of the people" act is laughable. Plenty of people out there have it way worse than tradies - fully vaccinated and still unable to go to work. They are the ones who we should feel sympathy for, not these macho dickheads who are happy to pump themselves full of steroids and coke but draw the line at a vaccination.

Yeah, it's just alt-right toxic masculinity at work.

They actually want John Setka, the Victorian state secretary to stand with them and lead the protest in the wake of these restrictions on the industry in Victoria. Like, actually do his job and support the workers. These dropkicks at the CFMEU dropped tools when sites wouldn't allow CFMEU stickers to go on site owned toolboxes. But turn a blind eye when workers can't work.

They are also Australia's main trade union in construction. So, don't necessarily underestimate the impact of the Victorian branch if they stand by their workers.

But they're affiliated with the Labor Party - remember when the left-wing stood for worker's rights and not 'feelings'? And they also give a lot of cash to the Labor Party. Obviously in exchange for some influence in the political sphere, so you can clearly see their rationale in decision making.

I might be the most blue collar Australian here... Which is hilarious.
Many years ago I was a union member.
These are not alt right fringe nuts, this is pretty much your average construction site... It doesn't get any more loose than a Victorian construction site, with people complaining about vaccines having unknown health effects while ripping billies at smoko.

This is an issue that once upon a time the CFMEU would have shut down the cou try over.
What people generally don't realise now is that Unions control the superfunds which makes them some of the richest and most powerful entities in the country and why Setca is happy to roll over on mandatory vaccinations.

If you really want a shock c, look up how much construction workers on union sites earn per year... It will make your eyes water.

Most of the homeless people I took in when I had my apartment or in the Georgia nightmare house did construction in the US. It was off the books cash usually around 200 a day. They were not union people because most were off and on junkies though. They made what the lower paid union salary people made though. Generally competed with the Hispanics for labor which got funny as most bosses knew that the Mexicans worked harder and did less drugs so would only take the white guys if they absolutely needed to.

If they did join a union they would make more cash, but then have to pay taxes and union dues and shit and would end up making about the same after everything washed out. Less if you account for medical. Work off the books you can get medicaid as long as you do not get caught or bank your cash.

I love the fights about unions, as from what I seen, rarely does a union actually help the union general member.  A small group benefit greatly, but the rank and file guy basically milked for cash.  Everyone I know that had issues and had to go to the union were told that the union does not deal with their problems.  It was like what do you deal with?  

Edit:  Just looked it up, yeah my friends were making the same as the general Aussie construction union member getting picked up a spot looking for Mexican labor in the US.  

Labourers on the West Gate Tunnel are earning close to $200,000 a year as the building industry warns that wages on state government infrastructure projects are out of control.

Figures from the Master Builders Association of Victoria show an entry level labourer working a basic 36-hour week would be earning $110,000 per year but for the industry standard 56-hour week, they would earn $195,000.

That's labourers, not qualified tradespeople

That is crazy. What I was seeing was about 50k a year for a union member in Australia. Curious if those numbers are for the average worker, or just the union favorites as often unions promote one wage, then pay much, much lower to those getting into the union.

There is a case for construction workers earning well given how rough the job is, but not 200k well.

Sept 20, 2021 10:36:31 GMT c said:

That is crazy. What I was seeing was about 50k a year for a union member in Australia. Curious if those numbers are for the average worker, or just the union favorites as often unions promote one wage, then pay much, much lower to those getting into the union.

There is a case for construction workers earning well given how rough the job is, but not 200k well.

50k is not a great salary here, I haven't made under 6 figures in more than 15 years.

The 25% cap on the industry, just went down to 0%. The construction industry has been shut down for 2 weeks. 

Sept 20, 2021 11:35:01 GMT NATH45 said:

The 25% cap on the industry, just went down to 0%. The construction industry has been shut down for 2 weeks. 

Bizarre that the ABC was reporting that the protest was made up of Anti vaxxers and neo nazis.
Perhpas they never saw the footage, there were a lot of brown people there for a neo-nazi rally.

My favourite moment of the pandemic so far, was the chanting of "Dan Andrews Bitch" today.

Sept 20, 2021 10:52:39 GMT iNCY said:

Sept 20, 2021 10:36:31 GMT c said:

That is crazy. What I was seeing was about 50k a year for a union member in Australia. Curious if those numbers are for the average worker, or just the union favorites as often unions promote one wage, then pay much, much lower to those getting into the union.

There is a case for construction workers earning well given how rough the job is, but not 200k well.

50k is not a great salary here, I haven't made under 6 figures in more than 15 years.

Well would be 65k or so over there, converted to USD is 50k.  

And you work as an owner of a sales company.  You make money but you also have a lot more risk than the normal worker, particular during your startup period.

And over here, two people making 50k each puts your household percentile rank at 66% and 57% percentile rank for a worker aged 50.  At 30, that would put you into the 72% percentile rank.  People are really bad seeing how inequal things are in the US.  

For your income, lets say you only made 100k USD a year.  You would be at 90th percentile.  If you made 200k USD you would be at 98th percentile.  That is before taxes income as well.  

Meanwhile my 9800 a year from social security puts me at 7% percentile rank here.  Whoo!!!

Sept 20, 2021 11:39:15 GMT iNCY said:

Sept 20, 2021 11:35:01 GMT NATH45 said:

The 25% cap on the industry, just went down to 0%. The construction industry has been shut down for 2 weeks. 

Bizarre that the ABC was reporting that the protest was made up of Anti vaxxers and neo nazis.
Perhpas they never saw the footage, there were a lot of brown people there for a neo-nazi rally.

My favourite moment of the pandemic so far, was the chanting of "Dan Andrews Bitch" today.

Well, he is. 

I keep on about it being a 'class' thing now - watching the news cycle on Sky News this afternoon, Tom Connell made some smug remark about " all this over tea-rooms " that showed he understood absolutely zero about how the common folk feel. 

It's incredible this is the hill Daniel Andrews is ready to die on - this week, so far. Pushing hard mandates on the construction industry first, an industry that employee less than 250,000 people. A week ago, John Setka was warning of closures in the industry due to low vaccinations, but you don't solve the problem by doubling down and pushing harder. Evidently, you're not dealing with the most rational people, as seen today. Absolutely there were some loose units out of the front of the CFMEU.

Retail combined with supply chain employs nearly 500,000. ( liveinmelbourne.vic.gov.au/ ) If anything you'd think mandating vaccinations in retail, considering the exposure risk from/to the general public would make more sense. Most of these tradies around probably working in small teams, and hardly holding each other's hands all day long either. 

It's interesting this 'riot' was allowed to simmer for so long, 7 hours before really kicking off. Across the weekend 2,000 of Dan's storm-troopers went sent to stomp out protestors, and yet when a few hundred construction workers are red hot - nothing, let it burn - it will be a great excuse to shut the industry down. 

Sept 20, 2021 5:20:32 GMT NATH45 said:

But they're affiliated with the Labor Party - remember when the left-wing stood for worker's rights and not 'feelings'? And they also give a lot of cash to the Labor Party. Obviously in exchange for some influence in the political sphere, so you can clearly see their rationale in decision making.

The left used to be for universal healthcare and pro-choice while being against big pharma and police brutality.

Now they celebrate people being manhandled for breaking a curfew and
antivaxxers dying.