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Post by Big Pete on Sept 20, 2021 2:48:00 GMT
The difference is that Rob was damning of the past behaviour while Dreamer was trying to defend it interspliced with the victim discussing how badly it affected her. If anything it's surprising that Rob took that path given how he comes off as a stereotypical stoner. Hero worshiping or whatever you're trying to paint it as doesn't come into it. It absolutely plays a part in it. People barely even acknowledge it because they didn’t want to. Because the doco presented Rob in a good light. Besides Dreamer was presumably just as complicit AND still said all those offensive things in the doco. It's the more reasonable conclusion to draw, especially since Rob has heat for getting Impact banned on Twitch and being critical of modern wrestling.
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Post by Big Pete on Sept 20, 2021 3:04:53 GMT
Potentially it gets worse for Flair. Apparently part of the episode on Chris Kanyon, it will show the running he had with Flair on Howard Stern. While, it probably wasn't a big deal at the time, it probably isn't going to do any good for his character and how the casual fan and media see him. (Just pretty lousy of Ric to do that when Kanyon trained his son and took care of David throughout WCW.) Did Flair turn DSOTR down or something? The Flair family probably going to detest the show the way this is going. It sounds like there's more. From what I read on Twitter I thought Flair just completely buried him. The only part that looked bad was Flair saying something about Kanyon's choices but I'm not sure if Ric meant his sexuality or professional choices.
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Post by N A T H on Sept 20, 2021 3:09:20 GMT
I think the point made was "despite being gay, you're still shit Kanyon and deserved to be fired"
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Post by c on Sept 20, 2021 7:29:03 GMT
As a car crash fan I'm loving this if I'm being honest. Me too. Looks like this is turning into a speaking out moment, with people finding all of the old interviews were people laughed at abuse and bring it back to the surface. Back to the other stuff, interviews were edited, so curious to see what Dreamer in full as it fells like they did edit what he said to maximize his assholishness. People think documentaries are always unfiltered truth, but they are not. Editing interviews gives you a lot of power to bend a story. Dreamer I am willing to bet was responding to questions on whether or not Flair was trying to rape that girl.
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Post by N A T H on Sept 20, 2021 8:59:27 GMT
I think what made Dreamer look like a prick was the line about her taking the money, and if she was really concerned about it, she would have fought it in court. But didn't.
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Post by Emperor on Sept 20, 2021 9:22:46 GMT
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 20, 2021 12:14:00 GMT
Missed opportunity to double down on the heel turn.
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Post by c on Sept 20, 2021 12:31:18 GMT
I think what made Dreamer look like a prick was the line about her taking the money, and if she was really concerned about it, she would have fought it in court. But didn't. Pretty sure the money will come back to haunt her as these hush payments ALWAYS come with NDAs. Talking on that show would have broken it, which would be breach of contract allowing WWE to sue for the original amount, damages to the brand and allow punitive damages to be added. This is why I am guessing only one of the two women agreed to do the show.
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Post by N A T H on Sept 20, 2021 12:52:23 GMT
I think what made Dreamer look like a prick was the line about her taking the money, and if she was really concerned about it, she would have fought it in court. But didn't. Pretty sure the money will come back to haunt her as these hush payments ALWAYS come with NDAs. Talking on that show would have broken it, which would be breach of contract allowing WWE to sue for the original amount, damages to the brand and allow punitive damages to be added. This is why I am guessing only one of the two women agreed to do the show. At this point, I'd bet WWE does nothing. How villainous does it look suing a women who was sexually assaulted by one of your then biggest stars. In 2021, after #metoo and #speakingout you'd look like the evil sons of bitches most people already think the McMahons are. I'd double down that bet, and suggest Flair's release a few months back was a response to WWE knowing what was in this show and avoiding having to make a statement and take action. I hope TK hasn't slid a contract in front of Flair yet to sign, he's hopefully dodged a bullet.
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Post by Ness on Sept 20, 2021 14:30:06 GMT
Missed opportunity to double down on the heel turn. He's not hardcore 🐳🐳🐳
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Post by c on Sept 20, 2021 15:14:44 GMT
Pretty sure the money will come back to haunt her as these hush payments ALWAYS come with NDAs. Talking on that show would have broken it, which would be breach of contract allowing WWE to sue for the original amount, damages to the brand and allow punitive damages to be added. This is why I am guessing only one of the two women agreed to do the show. At this point, I'd bet WWE does nothing. How villainous does it look suing a women who was sexually assaulted by one of your then biggest stars. In 2021, after #metoo and #speakingout you'd look like the evil sons of bitches most people already think the McMahons are. I'd double down that bet, and suggest Flair's release a few months back was a response to WWE knowing what was in this show and avoiding having to make a statement and take action. I hope TK hasn't slid a contract in front of Flair yet to sign, he's hopefully dodged a bullet. WWE can sue her at any time. They can wait a month then do it silently. But yeah it is not really worth it to do so as the story leaked from so many other places. I would love to see Flair go all carney and lean into this. Go mega heel with it. Imagine him playing off of it in AEW saying shit like women cannot resist him and what Flair wants he will get? The heat will be nuclear.
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Post by c on Sept 21, 2021 12:16:51 GMT
Wow saw the preview for the rest of this season and they got Terry and Onita coming on for the FMW episode. Think Foley appears here too. Looks amazing.
The XPW episode looks great too. They are bringing in Sabu for it and New Jacks last interview was for this as well.
Season finale will be the Steroid trial. They got the lawyer for WWE for the show.
Never seen the showrunners before and they are very cool guys, super wrestling fans.
Edit: Holy shit the Johnny K-9 looks crazy. Cornette asked them to do this episode as he wanted to know himself what the fuck was up with his alter ego. This is a guy who lived with Jericho and was a smokey mountain wrestling guy who everyone loved that had an alter ego as a Satan's Choice motorcycle club member who bombed a police officer and may have executed two people with a shotgun. Lance Storm talks about him here as does Cornette.
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Post by KITN on Sept 21, 2021 23:15:14 GMT
I have some statements of my own I'd like to issue
Fuck Tommy Dreamer and Fuck Ric Flair.
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Post by c on Sept 22, 2021 14:49:56 GMT
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Post by Ness on Sept 22, 2021 15:48:59 GMT
Anything bad is editing.
Anything good or neutral is "we're live pal" raw and uncut.
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Post by The Kid on Sept 22, 2021 18:12:09 GMT
I have some statements of my own I'd like to issue Fuck Tommy Dreamer and Fuck Ric Flair. Nobody gives a shit.
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Post by The Kid on Sept 22, 2021 18:13:14 GMT
I just want to say;
Fuck Chris Jericho.
This dude is burying so many of his 'boys'. What a POS.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 23, 2021 0:22:10 GMT
I just want to say; Fuck Chris Jericho. This dude is burying so many of his 'boys'. What a POS. Yet he will still get them on his podcast and kiss their ass when on his show :lol:
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Post by The Kid on Sept 23, 2021 0:58:46 GMT
I just want to say; Fuck Chris Jericho. This dude is burying so many of his 'boys'. What a POS. Yet he will still get them on his podcast and kiss their ass when on his show Chris Jericho is the biggest snake in the business.
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Post by KITN on Sept 23, 2021 1:33:18 GMT
See, I hate Chris Jericho because he has transphobes and Anti-Covid Conspiracy theorists on his shitty podcast like a discount Joe Rogan (and because his wife is a seditionist) but I guess being mad because he narrates a television show that reveals how his profession is full of rapists and murderers and pieces of shit is equally bad, sure.
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Post by Ness on Sept 23, 2021 1:38:06 GMT
I love how ever since the Bucks blew up Jericho had latched on so hard. He's good, but it's hilarious how desperate he was to cling to that heat.
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Post by KITN on Sept 24, 2021 2:12:59 GMT
Mark Calloway is a piece of shit.
James Mitchell is a sweetheart.
Kanyon should still be alive.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 24, 2021 2:27:06 GMT
Mark Calloway is a piece of shit. James Mitchell is a sweetheart. Kanyon should still be alive. I heard Undertaker told wrestlers to purposely bully Rene Dupree around the same time and given Taker ran wrestler's court over on SD, he may have lowkey been a real prick. Bob Holly, JBL, Benoit etc all were apart of that group. Think someone flushed the French flag down a toilet according to Dupree recently.
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Post by UT on Sept 24, 2021 15:08:13 GMT
Mark Calloway is a piece of shit. James Mitchell is a sweetheart. Kanyon should still be alive. And Kanyon was such an angel.
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Post by Ed on Sept 24, 2021 19:09:58 GMT
See, I hate Chris Jericho because he has transphobes and Anti-Covid Conspiracy theorists on his shitty podcast like a discount Joe Rogan (and because his wife is seditious) but I guess being mad because he narrates a television show that reveals how his profession is full of rapists and murderers and pieces of shit are equally bad, sure. I guess I'm in the minority. I think Jericho's podcast is OK. :ugh:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 19:18:34 GMT
See, I hate Chris Jericho because he has transphobes and Anti-Covid Conspiracy theorists on his shitty podcast like a discount Joe Rogan (and because his wife is seditious) but I guess being mad because he narrates a television show that reveals how his profession is full of rapists and murderers and pieces of shit are equally bad, sure. I guess I'm in the minority. I think Jericho's podcast is OK. :ugh: I enjoy the music focused episodes; especially the Classic Album Clash episodes.
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Post by mikec on Sept 24, 2021 19:32:12 GMT
Mark Calloway is a piece of shit. James Mitchell is a sweetheart. Kanyon should still be alive. I don’t necessarily agree/disagree with this opinion. But the first one and the last one are probably not related.
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Post by UT on Sept 24, 2021 20:08:48 GMT
Seriously how do people come out of these episodes being such marks? It’s possible to both feel bad for Kanyon and hold him accountable for being a pretty shitty person himself at times.
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Post by c on Sept 24, 2021 21:07:44 GMT
People often believe that documentaries in this era are unbiased truth, when they are far, far from it.
Not watched this yet, but Like Larry Sweeney, Kanyon was bipolar and people who do not have bipolar do not know realize how bad shit can get when you swing. People treat it like depression but it is closer to schizophrenia. Also people assume you are either manic or depressed and that is not the case as many people get mixed states where they hate themselves but get the delusions and hallucinations from mania as well. Generally when people kill themselves it is during a mixed state.
So Kanyon I am not so sure was a bad person, as much as he was a very sick person. Bipolar has no good treatments and many bad ones.
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Post by N A T H on Sept 24, 2021 21:47:35 GMT
Calls to 'cancel' John Cena, because he said Kanyon got fired because he wasn't any good.
Do we just cancel everyone who doesn't give or leave a positive review? Just because "feeling matter"
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