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Post by UT on Oct 9, 2020 21:42:57 GMT
Love them both but I’ll go back to Speed way more. Two VERY different kinds of action movie. Jack Traven is the arch-typical every man action hero, while John Wick is the Grim Reaper in human form. Also John Wick takes you a very stylized underground world, while Speed is pretty much every day Los Angeles. I know and John Wick I feel is something you have to be in the mood for , great movie but Speed is the popcorn flick you can just watch whenever you want.
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Post by UT on Oct 9, 2020 21:43:21 GMT
Nightmare on Elm Street is by far the best slasher movie ever made in my book. Halloween is a somewhat distant second. All other slashers can fuck off. Those are fighting words.
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Post by Ness on Oct 9, 2020 21:44:37 GMT
Nightmare on Elm Street is by far the best slasher movie ever made in my book. Halloween is a somewhat distant second. All other slashers can fuck off. What about Scream or have you chosen death alongside lt?
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Post by thereallt on Oct 9, 2020 21:58:19 GMT
Nightmare on Elm Street is by far the best slasher movie ever made in my book. Halloween is a somewhat distant second. All other slashers can fuck off. What about Scream or have you chosen death alongside lt? I will talk about Scream when it eventually rears it's ugly head. Not a moment before.
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Post by UT on Oct 9, 2020 22:16:01 GMT
What about Scream or have you chosen death alongside lt? I will talk about Scream when it eventually rears it's ugly head. Not a moment before. I’d wait to be 100% wrong too.
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Post by Emperor on Oct 9, 2020 23:19:39 GMT
Nightmare on Elm Street is by far the best slasher movie ever made in my book. Halloween is a somewhat distant second. All other slashers can fuck off. What about Scream or have you chosen death alongside lt? I couldn't possibly feel as strongly against Scream as thereallt does, but I am definitely in the anti-Scream camp.
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Post by UT on Oct 10, 2020 0:06:45 GMT
What about Scream or have you chosen death alongside lt? I couldn't possibly feel as strongly against Scream as thereallt does, but I am definitely in the anti-Scream camp. Why do you keep typing fighting words?
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Post by thereallt on Oct 10, 2020 0:28:05 GMT
I will talk about Scream when it eventually rears it's ugly head. Not a moment before. I’d wait to be 100% wrong too. That could only happen if I said Scream was a good movie.
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Post by UT on Oct 10, 2020 13:14:17 GMT
I really liked The Apartment when I watched it for a countdown awhile back. I thought it was a really well made movie that managed to balance the cynicism and comedy , or the melancholy and warmhearted very well to where it tackles some serious issues but doesn't drag you down watching them. It has some great scenes of emotion and some really funny lines and delivery. It's definitely one I'm happy I watched because I could definitely see the hype - it wasn't the type that was going to make my list though despite being every bit as good as advertised.
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Post by UT on Oct 10, 2020 13:39:48 GMT
Another 🤯 favorite. Sicario is awesome and I've sung its praises time and time again. I'm actually surprised considering it's history of success on all our lists that it didn't finish in the Top 100. PW loves them some Sicario. The Mount Rushmores for it? Josh Brolin - Yes - Sicario , Goonies , Infinity War & No Country for Old Men Emily Blunt - Yes - Sicario , A Quiet Place , Edge of Tomorrow , Looper Benicio Del Toro - Yes - Sicario , Usual Suspects , Traffic , Snatch or 21 Grams?
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Post by Emperor on Oct 10, 2020 13:41:20 GMT
8. Matchstick Men 12. Mr. Smith Goes To Washington 14. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid 15. Silver Linings Playbook 27. Spirited Away 29. Logan 31. Parasite 32. Elf 38. The Apartment43. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 44. In Bruges 60. Catch Me If You Can 62. The Conjuring 69. Paranormal Activity 84. Wayne's World 87. John Wick UT nailed all the points that made The Apartment great. Balances cynicism and humour perfctly. It's just a heart warming story brilliantly executed.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 10, 2020 13:59:35 GMT
Fans of Sicario, don't sleep on the sequel. Pretty much just as good, IMO. And feels like they left themselves open for a third to perhaps close the trilogy. I for one would be all on board with that.
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Post by Ness on Oct 10, 2020 14:20:39 GMT
Loved Sicario. Never heard of the Apt.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 10, 2020 14:22:46 GMT
I'll still forever maintain that the coolest movie ever would be a crossover pitting Benecio Del Toro's character from Sicario against Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurgh.
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Post by Strobe on Oct 10, 2020 14:40:24 GMT
Hah. While I do love Leo and find him to be an extraordinarily talented actor, I believe this is the only one of his films that made my list. I think that goes more to show the power of Scorsese in combination with an actor of Leo's caliber than anything though. Parasite has brilliant actors as well, but I do believe Shutter Island is a much better film than Parasite in terms of storyline and narrative prowess. Parasite majorly relied on shock value whereas Shutter Island was building up to the final act to have everything support it in full force. Of course Parasite built up to its moment, but I felt that a lot of the wind came out of its sails after that and there wasn't much of a point beyond the one big pop moment itself, at least for me personally. Shutter Island's big moment was more like a logical revelation than a random act so it came off a lot more powerful. You've convinced me to give Shutter Island another chance soon. Normally such a reveal wouldn't actually bother me. Almost like the hero prevailing, it shouldn't matter if the journey is good. But I distinctly remember sitting through most of the film going "I hope it isn't just that" and there was also the lack of the horror vibes I got from the trailer. So you could argue I was fighting against the film as such. I guess it depends on what you consider a Mount Rushmore. If I were putting up a Mount Rushmore, I would certainly put up the four best presidents...not the most famous. And screw anyone who complains because they would be wrong! If we were going by most famous then Trump might even earn a spot on one. Blatantly wrong. The best are not always my favorites, but there is a strong correlation. I think putting the most famous movies up is silly because everyone already knows what his most famous movies are. Except people who don't know who crow Sting is. Besides, we could just look up the highest grossing movies / Oscar wins and declare the rushmore definitively without needing to discuss it. Your rushmores all suck. Down with Trump.
It isn't as simple as most famous or highest grossing or awards won, though all can play a part. I am viewing Mt. Rushmore as the four performances that define their career to the world at large. What I think would be chosen in a large scale vote with voters asked to consider criteria like cultural impact, iconic nature, box office success, popularity, critical acclaim, awards received, importance to career, defining an era of their career, influence. Shawshank Redemption was a box office failure that became a massive home video success the year after and has become one of the most beloved films of all time. It's a Wonderful Life was a failure, commercially and critically. But over years of TV screenings at Christmas, its standing as another of the world's most beloved films grew. Alice in Wonderland made over $1bn because it was going to be a new take on a famous world with Johnny Depp at the peak of his Jack Sparrow fame. Nobody is sticking that on Depp or Burton's Rushmore or even close to them. It was terrible and people realised that, with the sequel being a box office failure. It has no cultural significance whatsoever. When your average person thinks of Robin Williams, this is what they think of: ------------------------------------------------- I have only seen 5 Billy Wilder films and 4 of them made my top 100. The Apartment was my third highest of his at #65. UT described it pretty perfectly, understanding its strengths and charm. It made my list and it didn't make his. This is where personal taste comes in, with certain film types just tickling us more than others. You can almost objectively appreciate a film's greatness, but it will only ever be so high due to your personal taste. I'd use Die Hard as an example for me, being a near-perfect film of its type, but only making it to #173 (still very high) on my master list. I really need to watch more Billy Wilder films, considering I haven't seen Witness for the Prosecution (#66 on IMDb, 8.4), Ace in the Hole (8.1), Stalag 17 (8.0) and The Lost Weekend (7.9, Best Picture). Even with those quality films above that I haven't seen, I would argue the 4 Wilder films that made my list as being his Rushmore: Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd., Some Like It Hot and The Apartment. If a cinema was putting together a Billy Wilder month over 4 weekends, I think those would be the 4 films that would be picked. It also makes it for Lemmon (Some Like It Hot, The Apartment, The Odd Couple, Glengarry Glen Ross): that list doesn't include his two Oscar wins, but neither of them can match the iconic nature of those films/performances. I can't see how it doesn't make it for MacMurray (a lock along with Double Indemnity) and MacLaine (a lock along with Terms of Endearment).
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 10, 2020 14:43:33 GMT
Sicario is also reminding me/confirming (I think as UT once pointed out after nailing a great rec with Wind River): I think I might just love all things Taylor Sheridan.
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Post by UT on Oct 10, 2020 15:08:32 GMT
Sicario is also reminding me/confirming (I think as UT once pointed out after nailing a great rec with Wind River): I think I might just love all things Taylor Sheridan. Sheridan is great , his resume speaks for itself and I have yet to see a movie of his I didn’t enjoy. Disagree slightly on the Sicario sequel. It was good , but paled in comparison to the original. Clearly they decided to go box office with the franchise and I get it ... but they made compromises that took away from what made Sicario as good as it was.
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Post by UT on Oct 10, 2020 15:09:42 GMT
Hah. While I do love Leo and find him to be an extraordinarily talented actor, I believe this is the only one of his films that made my list. I think that goes more to show the power of Scorsese in combination with an actor of Leo's caliber than anything though. Parasite has brilliant actors as well, but I do believe Shutter Island is a much better film than Parasite in terms of storyline and narrative prowess. Parasite majorly relied on shock value whereas Shutter Island was building up to the final act to have everything support it in full force. Of course Parasite built up to its moment, but I felt that a lot of the wind came out of its sails after that and there wasn't much of a point beyond the one big pop moment itself, at least for me personally. Shutter Island's big moment was more like a logical revelation than a random act so it came off a lot more powerful. You've convinced me to give Shutter Island another chance soon. Normally such a reveal wouldn't actually bother me. Almost like the hero prevailing, it shouldn't matter if the journey is good. But I distinctly remember sitting through most of the film going "I hope it isn't just that" and there was also the lack of the horror vibes I got from the trailer. So you could argue I was fighting against the film as such. The best are not always my favorites, but there is a strong correlation. I think putting the most famous movies up is silly because everyone already knows what his most famous movies are. Except people who don't know who crow Sting is. Besides, we could just look up the highest grossing movies / Oscar wins and declare the rushmore definitively without needing to discuss it. Your rushmores all suck. Down with Trump.
It isn't as simple as most famous or highest grossing or awards won, though all can play a part. I am viewing Mt. Rushmore as the four performances that define their career to the world at large. What I think would be chosen in a large scale vote with voters asked to consider criteria like cultural impact, iconic nature, box office success, popularity, critical acclaim, awards received, importance to career, defining an era of their career, influence. Shawshank Redemption was a box office failure that became a massive home video success the year after and has become one of the most beloved films of all time. It's a Wonderful Life was a failure, commercially and critically. But over years of TV screenings at Christmas, its standing as another of the world's most beloved films grew. Alice in Wonderland made over $1bn because it was going to be a new take on a famous world with Johnny Depp at the peak of his Jack Sparrow fame. Nobody is sticking that on Depp or Burton's Rushmore or even close to them. It was terrible and people realised that, with the sequel being a box office failure. It has no cultural significance whatsoever. When your average person thinks of Robin Williams, this is what they think of: ------------------------------------------------- I have only seen 5 Billy Wilder films and 4 of them made my top 100. The Apartment was my third highest of his at #65. UT described it pretty perfectly, understanding its strengths and charm. It made my list and it didn't make his. This is where personal taste comes in, with certain film types just tickling us more than others. You can almost objectively appreciate a film's greatness, but it will only ever be so high due to your personal taste. I'd use Die Hard as an example for me, being a near-perfect film of its type, but only making it to #173 (still very high) on my master list. I really need to watch more Billy Wilder films, considering I haven't seen Witness for the Prosecution (#66 on IMDb, 8.4), Ace in the Hole (8.1), Stalag 17 (8.0) and The Lost Weekend (7.9, Best Picture). Even with those quality films above that I haven't seen, I would argue the 4 Wilder films that made my list as being his Rushmore: Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd., Some Like It Hot and The Apartment. If a cinema was putting together a Billy Wilder month over 4 weekends, I think those would be the 4 films that would be picked. It also makes it for Lemmon (Some Like It Hot, The Apartment, The Odd Couple, Glengarry Glen Ross): that list doesn't include his two Oscar wins, but neither of them can match the iconic nature of those films/performances. I can't see how it doesn't make it for MacMurray (a lock along with Double Indemnity) and MacLaine (a lock along with Terms of Endearment). For sure and it’s not as if The Apartment wouldn’t make a slightly longer list , it’s just not one I grew up with. Given ten years and a few rewatches I could see it creeping up the list. It’s an easy watch.
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Post by 🤯 on Oct 10, 2020 15:59:02 GMT
Sicario is also reminding me/confirming (I think as UT once pointed out after nailing a great rec with Wind River): I think I might just love all things Taylor Sheridan. Sheridan is great , his resume speaks for itself and I have yet to see a movie of his I didn’t enjoy. Disagree slightly on the Sicario sequel. It was good , but paled in comparison to the original. Clearly they decided to go box office with the franchise and I get it ... but they made compromises that took away from what made Sicario as good as it was. Paled feels like a stretch to me. What do you feel like they compromised on? It didn't feel box office per se to me. Granted, I feel like the sequel would hold up a lot better if they do indeed do a third to finish the trilogy. The first did an epic job building the world and introducing the characters, especially BDT and Brolin's. The second built in BDT's mystique and capabilities, and put Brolin in the shitty situation of having to seriously consider burning his most valuable asset. The end, to me, left it open as perhaps BDT will be training his replacement and also going after the system and man slash friend who burned him. If they don't do a third, or don't go that direction, I agree the second kinda takes us in a somewhat less focused direction than the first from beginning to end.
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Post by Emperor on Oct 10, 2020 16:16:07 GMT
Loved Sicario. Never heard of the Apt. It's like Step Brothers, but 100 times better.
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Post by Ness on Oct 10, 2020 16:24:33 GMT
Loved Sicario. Never heard of the Apt. It's like Step Brothers, but 100 times better. Considering you hate that movie that means it's average.
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Post by iron maiden on Oct 10, 2020 16:35:25 GMT
Never heard of either. After listening to your reviews I’m tempted to watch both but will likely only watch The Apartment as I love Jack Lemmon.
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 10, 2020 16:44:14 GMT
Loved Sicario. Never heard of the Apt. It's like Step Brothers, but 100 times better. You should start a gimmick where you review every movie in the "What did you think of the last movie you watched?" thread with a copy/paste of this post.
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 10, 2020 16:51:29 GMT
The Apartment probably made my list! Let me check...
BOOM! It made my list! Barely.
16. North By Northwest 17. The Seventh Seal 32. Shutter Island 79. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 99. The Apartment
I've posted about it before, but to quickly rehash...it is incredibly charming and I particularly love the dedication to the intricate set pieces that make it come to life. And as good as it is, THREE other Wilder films made it on my list in higher spots. Absolutely fantastic director, clearly one of my favorites, and I encourage people to check out more of his work if they enjoyed this one because he does not disappoint.
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Post by Emperor on Oct 10, 2020 17:32:00 GMT
It's like Step Brothers, but 100 times better. Considering you hate that movie that means it's average. 10,000 times better than Step Brothers?
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Post by Lionheart on Oct 10, 2020 18:01:53 GMT
You've convinced me to give Shutter Island another chance soon. Normally such a reveal wouldn't actually bother me. Almost like the hero prevailing, it shouldn't matter if the journey is good. But I distinctly remember sitting through most of the film going "I hope it isn't just that" and there was also the lack of the horror vibes I got from the trailer. So you could argue I was fighting against the film as such. I can feel that. I don't particularly like horror films, so the lack of horror was probably a good thing. But it did have that air of an old-school "horror" like a Vincent Price movie that I love, so maybe it not having more of a modern horror feel worked in its favor for me. A lot of people say they "saw the twist coming" in this one, but I don't really buy into that. It's like a really good John Cena match. Everyone says at the end they "knew" Cena was going to win and are upset that he won the championship AGAIN, but in this case it was still a damn good match and you were never REALLY sure as it neared the conclusion. All it takes are some grains of doubt to keep you guessing, and I for one was far from knowing which way it would decide to go at the end. Though being surprised in itself is not really the point. Like you said, the journey is important and I loved every part of it in this movie. The intelligent dialogue and sinister undertones are delightful as the game of cat and mouse goes on. But also, the revelation of WHY the twist is what it is is incredibly emotional/dramatic, and is more important than the twist itself. I feel like people who say they "saw it coming a mile away" are ignoring how meaningful it was as a story. Though the movie is certainly not for everyone, it definitely was a movie for me who enjoys the attention to detail and epic (even humorous at times) circumstances of the situation. It isn't as simple as most famous or highest grossing or awards won, though all can play a part. I am viewing Mt. Rushmore as the four performances that define their career to the world at large. What I think would be chosen in a large scale vote with voters asked to consider criteria like cultural impact, iconic nature, box office success, popularity, critical acclaim, awards received, importance to career, defining an era of their career, influence. Shawshank Redemption was a box office failure that became a massive home video success the year after and has become one of the most beloved films of all time. It's a Wonderful Life was a failure, commercially and critically. But over years of TV screenings at Christmas, its standing as another of the world's most beloved films grew. Alice in Wonderland made over $1bn because it was going to be a new take on a famous world with Johnny Depp at the peak of his Jack Sparrow fame. Nobody is sticking that on Depp or Burton's Rushmore or even close to them. It was terrible and people realised that, with the sequel being a box office failure. It has no cultural significance whatsoever. When your average person thinks of Robin Williams, this is what they think of: That's all well and good, but I still think it's a lot more straightforward to figure out and nowhere near as interesting as discussing the points of a movie and determining which ones are the best. Detailed discussions are way cooler than determining what movies people think of when it comes to a career (which most people already know upfront already). Alice in Wonderland would never even be in discussion. I have only seen 5 Billy Wilder films and 4 of them made my top 100. The Apartment was my third highest of his at #65. UT described it pretty perfectly, understanding its strengths and charm. It made my list and it didn't make his. This is where personal taste comes in, with certain film types just tickling us more than others. You can almost objectively appreciate a film's greatness, but it will only ever be so high due to your personal taste. I'd use Die Hard as an example for me, being a near-perfect film of its type, but only making it to #173 (still very high) on my master list. I really need to watch more Billy Wilder films, considering I haven't seen Witness for the Prosecution (#66 on IMDb, 8.4), Ace in the Hole (8.1), Stalag 17 (8.0) and The Lost Weekend (7.9, Best Picture). Even with those quality films above that I haven't seen, I would argue the 4 Wilder films that made my list as being his Rushmore: Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd., Some Like It Hot and The Apartment. If a cinema was putting together a Billy Wilder month over 4 weekends, I think those would be the 4 films that would be picked. It also makes it for Lemmon (Some Like It Hot, The Apartment, The Odd Couple, Glengarry Glen Ross): that list doesn't include his two Oscar wins, but neither of them can match the iconic nature of those films/performances. I can't see how it doesn't make it for MacMurray (a lock along with Double Indemnity) and MacLaine (a lock along with Terms of Endearment). I was going to say I wonder if we put all the same Wilder films on our top 100 since I also put 4, but then you listed them and that is not the case. Witness for the Prosecution is absolutely fantastic, but my favorite is A Foreign Affair. I consider it to be the most charming movie of all time. I know people usually talk about Sunset Blvd when Wilder comes up, and although it is great as well, it only slotted in at #106. Double Indemnity is my second highest placing one and I still have yet to see Some Like It Hot (though it has been on my watchlist for some time now).
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Post by iron maiden on Oct 10, 2020 18:57:06 GMT
So I asked mom about The Apartment because as I previously said I've seen quite a few older movies and love Jack Lemmon and low and behold mom pulls out a Jack Lemmon DVD we have with 4 movies on it and there it is along with Some Like it Hot, Irma La Douce & The Odd Couple all of which should have or would have made my list had I made it to 100 (one did).
We are re-watching it tonight. Gonna have a Jack Lemmon marathon.
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Post by Strobe on Oct 10, 2020 20:52:06 GMT
Denis Villeneuve is definitely one of my biggest blind spots from recent filmmakers - I've only seen Blade Runner 2049. That's all well and good, but I still think it's a lot more straightforward to figure out and nowhere near as interesting as discussing the points of a movie and determining which ones are the best. Detailed discussions are way cooler than determining what movies people think of when it comes to a career (which most people already know upfront already). Agreed that it is more fun and interesting to discuss your own and others' thoughts on a film and the back-and-forths that can ensue. But I think this Mt. Rushmore concept has been fun and a bit different. Sure, some of them are very straight-forward but there are people where the fourth spot especially can make for some real fun discussion and it is even interesting to seeing what people deem worthy enough to throw out there. With a list like this that is so large and relentless ( UT is an animal), it is not easy to regularly bust out a long, well thought-out post, but the Rushmores allow a relatively easy way to contribute a wee bit.
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Post by Ness on Oct 10, 2020 21:38:40 GMT
Considering you hate that movie that means it's average. 10,000 times better than Step Brothers? I mean 10k times 0 is still zero, right?
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Post by Emperor on Oct 11, 2020 1:23:58 GMT
10,000 times better than Step Brothers? I mean 10k times 0 is still zero, right? Trying to persuade you to watch The Apartment by a comparison to Step Brothers completely backfired.
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